new version of OSAS?

[Cooper]

So John lied?

I will be pure in heart separated from
My flesh when I am glorified. Until then as Paul said My flesh lists against the spirit. My flesh is still here. I do
Not love as required 100% of the day. No one does if you think you do you are their with Michiah and John says deceived

What is the reference?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What is the reference?

1 John 1: 8. If we (including himself) claim we have (present tense active) no sin we deceive ourselves and there is no truth in us

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post# 4060

Until then as Paul said My flesh lists against the spirit. My flesh is still here

You left out the verse prior.

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (Galatians 5:16)

It does not say, you will fulfill LESS of the lusts of the flesh; it says, you will NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh; there is no conflict when the fleshly self is ignored and not obeyed.

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Galatians 5:24)

Do you understand the implications of Galatians 5:24?

If you have not crucified the flesh you are not Christ’s!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

1 John 1: 8. If we (including himself) claim we have (present tense active) no sin we deceive ourselves and there is no truth in us

But:

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

And then we fulfill this scripture:

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" (1 John 3:9)

Because:

"He that committeth sin is of the devil" (1 John 3:8)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

michiah,

I will not respond to you. You can live in your self righteous pride and refuse to humble yourself. I will not be a part of it.

I have refuted your last two posts more times than I can imagine

 

[Taken]

1 John 1: 8. If we (including himself) claim we have (present tense active) no sin we deceive ourselves and there is no truth in us

I wouldn't say "WE" and add "ACTIVE".
"WE (converted) HAVE" sin...agree.
It is FORGIVEN "and" COVERED sin.

ROM 4:
[7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins "are" covered.

The Covering (in a converted person), IS expressly God Spirit, which IS PURE LIGHT, with-IN the person, that no darkness (sin), can be seen. Not seen or remembered BY GOD.

HEB 8:
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The understanding of Gods Forgiveness, IS freeing a (converted) person FROM SIN...
From sinning, From the penalities of sin.
Sin is Against God.
A converted man has been Freed, by Gods Forgiveness, that that man Can Never Again Stand Against (sin) God.

ROM 6:
[18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

IF, the Lord God is IN you, He IS WITH YOU, and you IN Him and you WITH Him.

IF, A man is NOT "WITH" the Lord God...
That man IS AGAINST GOD.
(THAT man is, in "ACTIVE SIN"). <--- THAT does NOT apply to the Converted.

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke.11
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.


God Bless,
Taken

 

[Corlove13]

Back To Justification

I asked How many times was Abraham justified before God and what for....?

Was He Justified so that He can have heaven when He died? Even that is part of it?

Read Genesis 15
Abraham believed God for a son..
And in verse 6 He counted it for righteousness.

So His justification was for things concerning this life....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But it is impossible for born again men in the Spirit to to do evil.

Tell that to the Saved man in Paul’s Church that slept with his own Mother.....maybe his mother-in-Law....

Oops! I meant “ step mother”..... sorry about that!

 

[Cooper]

Back To Justification

I asked How many times was Abraham justified before God and what for....?

Was He Justified so that He can have heaven when He died? Even that is part of it?

Read Genesis 15
Abraham believed God for a son..
And in verse 6 He counted it for righteousness.

So His justification was for things concerning this life....

Abraham was justified because he obeyed God.
Like Satan, OSAS do not obey God's commandments, making the excuse it is salvation by works.
They are not the children of God, but modern day Pharisees whose Father is the devil. John 8:44.
.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post# 4065

I have refuted your last two posts more times than I can imagine

A refutation of scriptural doctrine with man made traditional doctrines and scripture twisting is not a “refutation”; it’s foolishness.

It’s the fulfillment of this passage:

"He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth." (1 Timothy 6:4-5)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I wouldn't say "WE" and add "ACTIVE".
"WE (converted) HAVE" sin...agree.
It is FORGIVEN "and" COVERED sin.
God Bless,
Taken

I was just showing what John actually said.

if we say - taken from the greek eipomen - to say, to talk to proclaim - verb aorist active subjunctive first person plural (we)

have no sin - greek echomen - to have - verb present active indicative first person plural,


In both cases in the greek. they are first person plural (we) and they are both active (not past and not present)

If we claim we have no sin

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Back To Justification

I asked How many times was Abraham justified before God and what for....?

Was He Justified so that He can have heaven when He died? Even that is part of it?

Read Genesis 15
Abraham believed God for a son..
And in verse 6 He counted it for righteousness.

So His justification was for things concerning this life....

he was justified eternally. He was declared righteous. ie, to be without sin. In spite of his sin which were many he would commit past this time.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Abraham was justified because he obeyed God.
Like Satan, OSAS do not obey God's commandments, making the excuse it is salvation by works.
They are not the children of God, but modern day Pharisees whose Father is the devil. John 8:44.
.

Another slanderer. OSAS does not teach this nonsense.

If you people are going to attach another belief system. do everyone a favor and learn what it teaches.

Salvation by works is the belief that salvation is earned. maintained or not lost based on works.

You shoudl also learn what salvation by works is and what OSAS teaches it is. You have failed there also.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Abraham was justified because he obeyed God.

Wow.....How much “ guts” it must take to deliberately misquote the Bible in a Christian Discussion group ....” guts” that you will answer for someday...

“ Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted for Righteousness”

 

[Cooper]

Abraham was justified because he obeyed God.

Wow.....How much “ guts” it must take to deliberately misquote the Bible in a Christian Discussion group ....” guts” that you will answer for someday...

“ Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted for Righteousness”

.

You say "Abraham did not obey God!" It is interesting to see the amazing amount of scripture you reject.

The point being, justification does not lead to licentiousness, (Romans 6:2-7) yet you believe "once you are saved you are always saved" regardless of what you do.

Some years later God decided to test Abraham, so he spoke to him. Abraham answered, "Here I am, LORD." The LORD said, "Go get Isaac, your only son, the one you dearly love! Take him to the land of Moriah, and I will show you a mountain where you must sacrifice him to me on the fires of an altar." So Abraham got up early the next morning and chopped wood for the fire. He put a saddle on his donkey and left with Isaac and two servants for the place where God had told him to go. (Genesis 22:1-3)
.

 

[Taken]

I was just showing what John actually said.

if we say - taken from the greek eipomen - to say, to talk to proclaim - verb aorist active subjunctive first person plural (we)

have no sin - greek echomen - to have - verb present active indicative first person plural,


In both cases in the greek. they are first person plural (we) and they are both active (not past and not present)

If we claim we have no sin

I was on point...ALL "HAVE" sin.
Claiming to "HAVE" no sin is corrupt.
I was expanding on the difference between
"Having" Sin, and "Committing" Sin.
(Two different things).
Some (converted) "HAVE" forgiven and covered sin.
THEY CAN SIN "NO MORE".
(Some do not, have forgiven or covered sin, They "Continue" to sin)...which means They "continue to be Against God."
(If one is not WITH God, they ARE by default, Against God)....which eliminates, (kind of, sort of, maybe, with God.) ie. fense sitting.
It is Gods own express (With or Against Him), division of men;
* WiTH God; (forgiven sin, covered sin, can sin no more)...
* WITHOUT God, ie Against God (sin not forgiven, sin not covered, Can Continue to "COMMIT" Sin Against God).

Don't know your view, however many people WHO Claim to be converted "WITH" God and "IN" Christ ALSO claim to "Continue" to COMMIT SIN, (which IS Against God)... They Claim to COMMIT SIN, (but try really hard not to).
Scripture expressly says otherwise, and tells us expressly WHY we are not able to COMMIT SIN, (once Converted)...

No argument, Just clarifying.
Thanks,
Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Back To Justification

I asked How many times was Abraham justified before God and what for....?

Was He Justified so that He can have heaven when He died? Even that is part of it?

Read Genesis 15
Abraham believed God for a son..
And in verse 6 He counted it for righteousness.

So His justification was for things concerning this life....

Justification is Gods Works concerning His creation.
Gods Justification Inanutshell, IS Gods Seal of Approval, for a mans soul, spirit, body, to be "MADE" wholly, whole and holy, and He Forever Be with the man, and Be their God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I was on point...ALL "HAVE" sin.
Claiming to "HAVE" no sin is corrupt.
I was expanding on the difference between
"Having" Sin, and "Committing" Sin.
(Two different things).
Some (converted) "HAVE" forgiven and covered sin.
THEY CAN SIN "NO MORE".
(Some do not, have forgiven or covered sin, They "Continue" to sin)...which means They "continue to be Against God."
(If one is not WITH God, they ARE by default, Against God)....which eliminates, (kind of, sort of, maybe, with God.) ie. fense sitting.
It is Gods own express (With or Against Him), division of men;
* WiTH God; (forgiven sin, covered sin, can sin no more)...
* WITHOUT God, ie Against God (sin not forgiven, sin not covered, Can Continue to "COMMIT" Sin Against God).

Don't know your view, however many people WHO Claim to be converted "WITH" God and "IN" Christ ALSO claim to "Continue" to COMMIT SIN, (which IS Against God)... They Claim to COMMIT SIN, (but try really hard not to).
Scripture expressly says otherwise, and tells us expressly WHY we are not able to COMMIT SIN, (once Converted)...

No argument, Just clarifying.
Thanks,
Glory to God,
Taken

I just want to take what John said,

if we claim we do not sin. Or have sin

The active form of the word is what is conclusive, we all have sinned that correct. But he is not saying that, he would have used the past tense form of the word not the present active form.

anything I do in the flesh and not out of love is sin, to say we do not presently do this is to be decieved, that is exactly what John is saying

thank you and amen all glory to God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

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You say "Abraham did not obey God!" It is interesting to see the amazing amount of scripture you reject.

The point being, justification does not lead to licentiousness, (Romans 6:2-7) yet you believe "once you are saved you are always saved" regardless of what you do.

Some years later God decided to test Abraham, so he spoke to him. Abraham answered, "Here I am, LORD." The LORD said, "Go get Isaac, your only son, the one you dearly love! Take him to the land of Moriah, and I will show you a mountain where you must sacrifice him to me on the fires of an altar." So Abraham got up early the next morning and chopped wood for the fire. He put a saddle on his donkey and left with Isaac and two servants for the place where God had told him to go. (Genesis 22:1-3)
.

He said Abraham was not justified because he obeyed God

it’s amazing how love you people go to make it as if someone said something they did not

it’s sad your belief system is so weak you have to lie about others to convince yourself your right

 

[Cooper]

He said Abraham was not justified because he obeyed God

it’s amazing how love you people go to make it as if someone said something they did not

it’s sad your belief system is so weak you have to lie about others to convince yourself your right

You have said quite enough EG.