Mark of the Beast and salvation

[Marty fox]

No your not .

You are trying to find a loop hole from scripture that enables you to disobey God and still be forgiven for receiving the MoB.

Exactly what satan wants you to do.

You only made a statement but you avoided the scriptures that I posted so show were I was wrong in these scriptures

Your statement is empty and just chatter all I did was believe in what the bible actually says thus you are stuck on traditional thinking that isn’t actually backed by the scriptures

 

[David in NJ]

You only made a statement but you avoided the scriptures that I posted so show were I was wrong in these scriptures

Your statement is empty and just chatter all I did was believe in what the bible actually says thus you are stuck on traditional thinking that isn’t actually backed by the scriptures

You cannot override the penalty God spoke for taking the MoB by trying to use God's word against His Word.

To do so aligns yourself with satan.

Instead of submitting to God you are telling Him what He can and cannot do.

 

[Marty fox]

You cannot override the penalty God spoke for taking the MoB by trying to use God's word against His Word.

To do so aligns yourself with satan.

Instead of submitting to God you are telling Him what He can and cannot do.

Once again you avoided my post and the scriptures by not dealing with what I posted or what the scriptures say

I agree and I’m not using Gods word against his word at all I’m actually doing the opposite and using Gods word to reveal His word

I have stated many times that whoever receives the mark will perish once again I’m debating what exactly the mark is not what happens to the ones who have the mark

Do you not see that what your doing is giving people who want to disprove the bible ammunition due to your interpretation having the bible contradict its self?

Yes or no does a literal mark contradict the verse below?

Romans 10:13

for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

 

[Marty fox]

My issue isn’t do the ones with the literal mark repent it’s can they Repent?

 

[David in NJ]

My issue isn’t do the ones with the literal mark repent it’s can they Repent?

Marty - this is simple
Where in Revelation do you see God ever saying that those who receive the MoB repent and are forgiven?

2 Thess ch2

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Marty, God is making sure that those who receive the MoB were never His to begin with.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty - this is simple
Where in Revelation do you see God ever saying that those who receive the MoB repent and are forgiven?

2 Thess ch2

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Marty, God is making sure that those who receive the MoB were never His to begin with.

I don’t see that and I never said that or even believe that please read what I said

Once again I’m not debating what happens to the ones who have the mark I’m debating what the mark actually is

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t see that and I never said that or even believe that please read what I said

Once again I’m not debating what happens to the ones who have the mark I’m debating what the mark actually is

SIMPLE

Pay attention to the technology that is soon to become mandatory fulfilling Revelation = cashless system whereby you must have a Mark to "buy and sell"

God's Word is Reliable and simple for us to understand = because HE loves us.

Peace

 

[Marty fox]

SIMPLE

Pay attention to the technology that is soon to become mandatory fulfilling Revelation = cashless system whereby you must have a Mark to "buy and sell"

God's Word is Reliable and simple for us to understand = because HE loves us.

Peace

No it’s not that simple and How does that address what I have been asking you? Once again you are avoiding it please address my points and stop posting random statements

Hint let the scriptures interpret the scriptures your literal view contradicts John 3:16

 

[Brakelite]

And of course everyone already knows the main theme in the book of Revelation is how the Antichrist will outlaw sabbath keeping. That's all through the book, especially a lot of it mentioned in the middle of the book. Don't go to any church services on a Sunday or you are going to hell! You have been warned!

Do you remember the adage, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it? There have been several times in history, going back many centuries to more modern times, when the beast power used government sanctions against those who refused to honor Sunday, and imposed the death sentence on those who observed the Sabbath. And it was protestantism that in early America established blue laws which effectively did the same. Today, the same beast power is using all the influence he can to re-establish Sunday sacredness as a global institution. And the opposition to Sabbath keeping today is well documented and is echoed by all and sundry contributing to threads such as this. Add to that is the fact that the beast itself proclaims that Sunday sacredness is the core doctrine of all religious practice, and is the one doctrine around which all others emenate.
So I make no apology for my stand, nor should you be so flippant about something that history testifies to has taken place previously, and which modern Christendom, both Catholic, protestant, evangelical and even non Christian Judaism, is seeking to establish.
There is nothing wrong with having church services and worshipping on Sunday. The issue is enforcing it under government penalties through dictatorial right wing Christian legislators, then penalizing those who seek to keep God's commandments.
It isn't as far fetched as you would like to make it

 

[Brakelite]

Do you remember the adage, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it? There have been several times in history, going back many centuries to more modern times, when the beast power used government sanctions against those who refused to honor Sunday, and imposed the death sentence on those who observed the Sabbath. And it was protestantism that in early America established blue laws which effectively did the same. Today, the same beast power is using all the influence he can to re-establish Sunday sacredness as a global institution. And the opposition to Sabbath keeping today is well documented and is echoed by all and sundry contributing to threads such as this. Add to that is the fact that the beast itself proclaims that Sunday sacredness is the core doctrine of all religious practice, and is the one doctrine around which all others emenate.
So I make no apology for my stand, nor should you be so flippant about something that history testifies to has taken place previously, and which modern Christendom, both Catholic, protestant, evangelical and even non Christian Judaism, is seeking to establish.
There is nothing wrong with having church services and worshipping on Sunday. The issue is enforcing it under government penalties through dictatorial right wing Christian legislators, then penalizing those who seek to keep God's commandments.
It isn't as far fetched as you would like to make it

Oh, and add to that the fact that the WEF, who is currently seeking to implement a globalist cashless society, is in full agreement with the beast regarding is socialist fascist agenda. The beast's agents are in charge of world finance so there's no restrictions to implementing financial incentives to those who accept her religious agenda.

 

[David in NJ]

Do you remember the adage, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it? There have been several times in history, going back many centuries to more modern times, when the beast power used government sanctions against those who refused to honor Sunday, and imposed the death sentence on those who observed the Sabbath. And it was protestantism that in early America established blue laws which effectively did the same. Today, the same beast power is using all the influence he can to re-establish Sunday sacredness as a global institution. And the opposition to Sabbath keeping today is well documented and is echoed by all and sundry contributing to threads such as this. Add to that is the fact that the beast itself proclaims that Sunday sacredness is the core doctrine of all religious practice, and is the one doctrine around which all others emenate.
So I make no apology for my stand, nor should you be so flippant about something that history testifies to has taken place previously, and which modern Christendom, both Catholic, protestant, evangelical and even non Christian Judaism, is seeking to establish.
There is nothing wrong with having church services and worshipping on Sunday. The issue is enforcing it under government penalties through dictatorial right wing Christian legislators, then penalizing those who seek to keep God's commandments.
It isn't as far fetched as you would like to make it

Excellent Post - thank you

The Good News is that Christ is the 7th Day of Rest, whereby all who come to Him fulfill the requirement of keeping the Sabbath.

If you are in Christ, you are in God's Day of Rest and no one can remove you from it - no matter what day of the week.

At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Because of Christ's Finished Work, the only way a person can break the Commandment to keep the Sabbath Day is to reject Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

Today, the same beast power is using all the influence he can to re-establish Sunday sacredness as a global institution. And the opposition to Sabbath keeping today is well documented and is echoed by all and sundry contributing to threads such as this. Add to that is the fact that the beast itself proclaims that Sunday sacredness is the core doctrine of all religious practice, and is the one doctrine around which all others emenate.

And not one word of this is mentioned anywhere in the bible. No Sunday sacredness, no outlawing of the Sabbath...nothing at all. It doesn't bother you guys that the bible only says the mark is given so ppl can buy or sell, nothing about any day of the week. This is a perfect example where one's beliefs are guided and created purely by a denomination/teacher and not what the bible says.

 

[RLT63]

And your view contradicts two scriptures and my view doesn’t contradict any scripture and you accuse me of rejecting Gods word

I used the scriptures to interpret scripture and you are basing your view on your literal understanding which contradicts 3:16

Jas 2:19 - You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
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Jas 2:20 - But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[fn

 

[RLT63]

Every single one did as not one says unless you take the mark

How do you only see what you think is my mistakes but not see your?

Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord (will be save)

If you declare Jesus is Lord (you will be saved)

If you confess your sins (He will forgive you)

Who ever believes in Jesus (will have eternal life)

All I have done is believe what exactly scripture really says and I trust in the Lord and that Jesus blood is powerful to cover all sins but only if you ask thus the mark is unrepentant sins

How does the clerk at the grocery store know you have unrepentant sins which makes it okay to sell to you?

 

[RLT63]

Once again you avoided my post and the scriptures by not dealing with what I posted or what the scriptures say

I agree and I’m not using Gods word against his word at all I’m actually doing the opposite and using Gods word to reveal His word

I have stated many times that whoever receives the mark will perish once again I’m debating what exactly the mark is not what happens to the ones who have the mark

Do you not see that what your doing is giving people who want to disprove the bible ammunition due to your interpretation having the bible contradict its self?

Yes or no does a literal mark contradict the verse below?

Romans 10:13

for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Mat 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord,Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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Mat 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
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Mat 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,ye that work iniquity

 

[RLT63]

I don’t see that and I never said that or even believe that please read what I said

Once again I’m not debating what happens to the ones who have the mark I’m debating what the mark actually is

You are debating what happens to those who take the mark, it’s your claim that they can be forgiven. If you’re not claiming they can be forgiven I wouldn’t know it from your posts.

 

[RLT63]

My issue isn’t do the ones with the literal mark repent it’s can they Repent?

No

 

[Gottservant]

Elaborate. What or who are these specific “EIGHT” anti-Christs?

Revelation 17:11.

Elaborate. Receiving a spiritual mark of an anti-Christ? Meaning?

Just as the Devil levels accusations at us, the anti-Christ perjures our flesh. If you don't understand what a "dart" of the Devil is, you won't understand what a "spiritual mark" is. It's something that happens in the spirit; like attachment or detachment as according to Buddhism (its not a physical thing). How do you avoid it? You say "if my flesh has to die, I will let it die, in Jesus Name Amen". It's important, that you do it as early as possible too, as it can lead to slavery to sin.

 

[Truth7t7]

SIMPLE

Pay attention to the technology that is soon to become mandatory fulfilling Revelation = cashless system whereby you must have a Mark to "buy and sell"

God's Word is Reliable and simple for us to understand = because HE loves us.

Peace

It's your opinion it will be a cashless system, and nothing more

 

[RLT63]

It's your opinion it will be a cashless system, and nothing more

We are well on the way to having a cashless system already. Most people use debit or credit cards for most transactions.