Limited atonement !

[Rightglory]

@Rightglory



Thats doublemindness, unstable the answer is simply no, His Death is limited to the Sheep or Elect

You keep saying this but have no evidence to support such a theory. You need to change words like 'All" to mean some or in some cases to "elect". Even "world" to mean "elect". Even dictionaries do not give such meaning to these words.
A rhetorical question. Do you believe in a resurrection of Christ? Your view of a limited atonement which only applies to sin, does not require a resurrection to be effective. The life is in the blood, not in the resurrection of the sacrifice.

 

[Hey You!]

You keep saying this but have no evidence to support such a theory. You need to change words like 'All" to mean some or in some cases to "elect". Even "world" to mean "elect". Even dictionaries do not give such meaning to these words.
A rhetorical question. Do you believe in a resurrection of Christ? Your view of a limited atonement which only applies to sin, does not require a resurrection to be effective. The life is in the blood, not in the resurrection of the sacrifice.

He has become a Life giving Spirit. The Resurrection is required...

 

[brightfame52]

You keep saying this but have no evidence to support such a theory. You need to change words like 'All" to mean some or in some cases to "elect". Even "world" to mean "elect". Even dictionaries do not give such meaning to these words.
A rhetorical question. Do you believe in a resurrection of Christ? Your view of a limited atonement which only applies to sin, does not require a resurrection to be effective. The life is in the blood, not in the resurrection of the sacrifice.

Of course I keep saying it since it keeps being true ! Duh

 

[Rightglory]

Has has become a Life giving Spirit. The Resurrection is required...

I believe that, but Brightfame52 theology does not.

 

[Hey You!]

I believe that, but Brightfame52 theology does not.

He's a Hyper Calvinist...

 

[brightfame52]

I believe that, but Brightfame52 theology does not.

Misrepresentation, I believe it, for the elect. Christ is that to His Body the Church which He is Head, not for the seed of the serpent

 

[Rightglory]

Of course I keep saying it since it keeps being true ! Duh

There is a difference between being true to your personal theory, however as to scripture it is a false teaching.

 

[Rightglory]

He's a Hyper Calvinist...

I know, but He does not know that. He doesn't understand his own theories to be able to understand the ramifications vis-a-vie what scripture actually teaches.

 

[brightfame52]

There is a difference between being true to your personal theory, however as to scripture it is a false teaching.

Ive been showing the word of God which you reject

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman



I have plenty of times over the last 40yrs. Thats all about the elect

Paul draws congruency between Adam and Jesus. Sin entered the world and spread to all through one man, yet concluded the passage by saying "how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"

Paul's statement doesn't seem to be compatible with limited atonement. Theologically, it's problematic that sin is more powerful than God.

 

[Hey You!]

Paul draws congruency between Adam and Jesus. Sin entered the world and spread to all through one man, yet concluded the passage by saying "how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"

Paul's statement doesn't seem to be compatible with limited atonement. Theologically, it's problematic that sin is more powerful than God.

When it comes to Romans 5, being in Adam or in Christ is about the Unconditional Consequences of being in one or the other of their two Covenants of Works. Adam's is broken, Christ's is Kept. It's also about the population of those in Adam or Christ. All are, or were, in Adam; but some of the All who were in Adam, are now in Christ. The populace in Christ is lower, therefore the Atonement is Limited...

This won't work against him...

 

[Rightglory]

Paul draws congruency between Adam and Jesus. Sin entered the world and spread to all through one man, yet concluded the passage by saying "how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"

Paul's statement doesn't seem to be compatible with limited atonement. Theologically, it's problematic that sin is more powerful than God.

Not to be picky but..... Adam brought death to all men, not sin. Christ brought life to all men. Heb 2:2 or I Cor 15:21-22

 

[amigo de christo]

It proves He died for them. Your missing the connection I pointed out to you. Vs 33 even uses the word "hell" from Jesus's own mouth. He could not have spoken about condemnation or hell, unless He died for them. They are rejecting his call to repent and believe. He does not say that He is condemning them because He did not predestinate them.
I completely understand your predicament. You cannot acknowledge the obvious Truth of scripture, even though it is hitting you on the head. It would destroy your personal theology, I'd say that is pride that prevents you to acknowledge the Truth of scripture.
God loves all of mankind. He loves His creation. God is love. I know that is hard for you to contemplate.

Its TRUE GOD
so loved the world . no doubt about that .
But if they reject CHRIST JESUS , they gonna wail and wail and wail and wail and wail .
Many right now within christendom have SOLD JESUS AND THE GOSPEL OUT
with a satanic death desiring false love . It implies that BECAUSE JESUS IS THE SAVOIR
THAT IT DONT MATTER if one beleives in him . LIE FROM SATAN . LIE FROM THE SERPENT
LIE FROM WICKED EVIL satanic men of belial who desire to merge all religoins .
BY THE GRACE OF GOD , now hear me all of you on this site , I AM GONNA EXPOSE IT No matter the cost to me .
I PREACH TRUE HOPE , I OFFER UP the ONLY NAME that can SAVE and REMIND YE MUST BELIEVE
ON HIM or perish you will . You do with this message as you please
but not the whole world can persaude me otherwise . The cost to me will be the cost . SO BE IT . LET GOD BE GLORIFIED
HE who honors THE SON HONORS THE FATHER .

 

[brightfame52]

@Runningman

Paul's statement doesn't seem to be compatible with limited atonement.

it is,just doesnt seem like it to you, there is no other atonement but particular and saving.

 

[Runningman]

When it comes to Romans 5, being in Adam or in Christ is about the Unconditional Consequences of being in one or the other of their two Covenants of Works. Adam's is broken, Christ's is Kept. It's also about the population of those in Adam or Christ. All are, or were, in Adam; but some of the All who were in Adam, are now in Christ. The populace in Christ is lower, therefore the Atonement is Limited...

This won't work against him...

@Runningman



it is,just doesnt seem like it to you, there is no other atonement but particular and saving.

I believe it could work if one wants to accept it, but Adam was not under the curse of Adam or original sin, but rather he was a sinless man who willingly chose to sin and die spiritually. Since sin is a choice then coming to saving faith is a choice. Thus atonement is not limited.

 

[Hey You!]

I believe it could work if one wants to accept it, but Adam was not under the curse of Adam or original sin, but rather he was a sinless man who willingly chose to sin and die spiritually. Since sin is a choice then coming to saving faith is a choice. Thus atonement is not limited.

I agree...

As the Second Adam, Christ bought the World; thus the World has access to Atonement...

I realized this, and Coined the Term "Unconditional Consequences". The curse of Original Sin is a Universal and Unconditional Consequence of the Fall, because Adam is our Federal Head as our Representative in the Edenic Covenant of Works. - Christ is the Federal Head of all in him, or more rightly said; in his Covenant of Works, IE the Covenant of Moses. His Keeping this Covenant of Works also has Universal and Unconditional Consequences, like real access to the Tree of Life; IE the Gospel, and our being declared Innocent and Righteous in him. But to gain this standing, we need to depart from Adam by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ...

Covenant Theology...

 

[brightfame52]

I believe it could work if one wants to accept it, but Adam was not under the curse of Adam or original sin, but rather he was a sinless man who willingly chose to sin and die spiritually. Since sin is a choice then coming to saving faith is a choice. Thus atonement is not limited.

I dont know what you talking about, nothing biblical

 

[brightfame52]

The Limited atonement by the blood of Christ is confirmed by scripture because His death and its benefits are according to covenant and for a specific people, Spiritual Israel, Gods elect from amongst the nations. Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Now the many is the house of Israel Heb 8:10-12

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. This verse 12 corresponds with the remission of sins in Matt 26:28 so we know its the same covenant and its benefits. 5

 

[Runningman]

I dont know what you talking about, nothing biblical

The biggest disadvantage your limited atonement doctrine has is that it is neither explicitly stated or described in the Bible. You've parsed it out like a good lawyer, contrary to what the plain text of the Scripture says, which is that anyone in the world can be saved or have their sins atoned for. 1 John 2:2, Hebrews 2:17, Romans 3:23-25, Acts 10:34, Revelation 3:20, and perhaps a dozen or so other verses explicitly state the opposite of what you teach, but here we are on page 17 and I suppose you already know this.

The straightforward plain text language of the Bible is superior to arguments, no matter how clever and thorough, if the said arguments don't even match what is plainly stated already. Limited atonement is strictly a Reformed version of salvation; no one spoke of it, it seems, until the 17th century.

 

[Rightglory]

Misrepresentation, I believe it, for the elect. Christ is that to His Body the Church which He is Head, not for the seed of the serpent

If you believe it only for the elect, then what I stated is NOT a misrepresentation of your theology. As per scripture, if all the dead are not raised, then Christ is not risen. Your theology does not require it either. If you think it does what scripture could you use to support that Christ in not risen.
If you actually believe He is risen, then your concept of a limited atonement is an impossibility via scripture. So, do you believe He is risen, or do you believe in limited atonement? You cannot believe in both, since they are mutually contradictory.