Last day prophecies fulfilled

[Brakelite]

The Christian world is looking to the horizon for the dreaded Antichrist, expected to appear with guns blazing and a penchant for destroying all things Christian. This is gross error and a deception.

I wrote the following 6 years ago but with Trump now eyeing a second term, it is now no less relevant.

People need to start reading their Bibles and stop listening to the many false prophets that inundate our airwaves. Revelation 13 is not about an evil tyrant forcing the world to do evil. It is about an apostate Christian dictator forcing the world to become "Christian", after its own image. Remember that as todays American church hails Donald Trump as their savior and begins to receive the promised 'power' it perceives to have been lost over the last 8 years. And remember, it isn't spiritual power that Trump is promising, and what the church craves for. Its political power. The churches spiritual power was lost decades ago, and it had nothing to do with politics, Islam, or the politically correct left wing liberal atheists or humanists that over-populate the university and high school lecterns.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Christian world is looking to the horizon for the dreaded Antichrist, expected to appear with guns blazing and a penchant for destroying all things Christian. This is gross error and a deception.

I wrote the following 6 years ago but with Trump now eyeing a second term, it is now no less relevant.

People need to start reading their Bibles and stop listening to the many false prophets that inundate our airwaves. Revelation 13 is not about an evil tyrant forcing the world to do evil. It is about an apostate Christian dictator forcing the world to become "Christian", after its own image. Remember that as todays American church hails Donald Trump as their savior and begins to receive the promised 'power' it perceives to have been lost over the last 8 years. And remember, it isn't spiritual power that Trump is promising, and what the church craves for. Its political power. The churches spiritual power was lost decades ago, and it had nothing to do with politics, Islam, or the politically correct left wing liberal atheists or humanists that over-populate the university and high school lecterns.

Its already happening . An apostate christanity has been born through the all inclusive lie .
Folks keep waiting for these big so called events to happen , YET HERE THEY ARE .
HE who has been working the mystery of inquity , HAS BEEN real busy .
Folks keep expecting things to turn out like a holly wood style this or that
YET its here now and getting worse very fast .
This world through both the political realm and the apostate church world are leading all to join as one Under
A LIE and this lie is fast turning hearts against GOD , CHRIST and the saints . ITs occuring RIGHT NOW
but most folks cannot see it for what it is and many more are well under its influence .
They rejected the true gospel and have been given over to a delusion , a lie
which will have them to merge as one against CHRIST and the lambs .

 

[amigo de christo]

The Christian world is looking to the horizon for the dreaded Antichrist, expected to appear with guns blazing and a penchant for destroying all things Christian. This is gross error and a deception.

I wrote the following 6 years ago but with Trump now eyeing a second term, it is now no less relevant.

People need to start reading their Bibles and stop listening to the many false prophets that inundate our airwaves. Revelation 13 is not about an evil tyrant forcing the world to do evil. It is about an apostate Christian dictator forcing the world to become "Christian", after its own image. Remember that as todays American church hails Donald Trump as their savior and begins to receive the promised 'power' it perceives to have been lost over the last 8 years. And remember, it isn't spiritual power that Trump is promising, and what the church craves for. Its political power. The churches spiritual power was lost decades ago, and it had nothing to do with politics, Islam, or the politically correct left wing liberal atheists or humanists that over-populate the university and high school lecterns.

Three frogs came out of the mouth of the beast , of the dragon and of the FP
For they are SPIRITS sent forth to decieve the kings of this world .
Many false prophets have arisen and under the influence of these dark spirits which indeed
are leading the world as one under a apostate all inclusive religoin which does the will of the dragon
to serve the beast, to gather the peoples as one right against the few true lambs , against CHRIST .
The day of armegeddon does appraoch . Look at this religoin , and who started it , FALSE CHRISTAINS
its an apostate , a wolf and many wolves are leading flocks become as one with all ,
but when i say all , DONT Expect them to love the true lambs . WONT BE NO LOVE NOR TOLERANCE for the true lambs .
ITs not hard to see what is or where its leading the entire world too .

 

[MatthewG]

Just look towards God and the Lord Jesus.

There is no such thing as a Christian world or Christian nation, Jesus said clearly.

My kingdom is not of this world.

Revelation 13 is about Nero, because in my opinion he was the antichrist of the first century believers. Even so Paul taught to obey the ones in authority.

There are Christian’s in the world, and the focus should be on loving God and loving others.

 

[MatthewG]

see the difference between trump and Nero is.

If you didn’t stand with Nero and you were a Christian who said “I stand with Yeshua as my Messiah and Lord” it put you as an open target to be openly killed.

Same thing if you did it in front of the Jewish nation which consisted of the 12 tribes of Israel, you would be excommunicated from them if you claimed the “I stand with Jesus who was raised from the dead as my Lord and the Messiah” or killed on the spot look at Stephen.

Todays world is extremely different, in the sense that for the most part you don’t see a mass of onslaught of people killing Christians just because they believe… a serial killed once tried to go into this home and saw a person with rosary beads and decided not to kill them cause they believe in God,

The only kingdom Christian’s should be looking for and towards is the Heavenly One, and the more you turn away from wha the world gives in the sense of all the politics and stuff - you’ll probably have more contentment and peace in one’s life but to fight against it doesn’t make sense to me personally the world does what to does, and Christian people live and feed off of faith and walk by the spirit.

 

[BeyondET]

The Christian world is looking to the horizon for the dreaded Antichrist, expected to appear with guns blazing and a penchant for destroying all things Christian. This is gross error and a deception.

I wrote the following 6 years ago but with Trump now eyeing a second term, it is now no less relevant.

People need to start reading their Bibles and stop listening to the many false prophets that inundate our airwaves. Revelation 13 is not about an evil tyrant forcing the world to do evil. It is about an apostate Christian dictator forcing the world to become "Christian", after its own image. Remember that as todays American church hails Donald Trump as their savior and begins to receive the promised 'power' it perceives to have been lost over the last 8 years. And remember, it isn't spiritual power that Trump is promising, and what the church craves for. Its political power. The churches spiritual power was lost decades ago, and it had nothing to do with politics, Islam, or the politically correct left wing liberal atheists or humanists that over-populate the university and high school lecterns.

Nay Trump just an idiot he ant got a chance. People in America rather Christians or not still vote on party lines, Republicans got about 54% Christians and the democrats 48%. The dems numbers been dropping lately lol..

 

[Robert Gwin]

You are falsely trying to change the Scripture, and even rejecting what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11:23-32 about the unbelieving Jew.

And then you go off on a tangent of hatred towards the unbelieving Jews, showing the ignorance you have been taught by following the Jehovah Witness Cult.

Actually Davy, I believe Mat 21:43; Gal 6:16; Rev 5:9,10; and Acts 11:26 are Bible verses sir, but yes we do teach the Bible in our cult.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I know we do not pray to Him. But Jesus taught us to pray calling Yahweh---FATHER! For that is who He is to me! I never called my Father by His name nor do I call my heavenly Father by His! That is simple respect for HIm and obeying Jesus!

We worship Father and son, Honoring Jesus as we honor the Father!
We pray to the Father.
We use the authority of Jesus(name)
In the power of the Holy Spirit!

That is Great Ron, and of course Father is not wrong. The Bible has many examples of Jehovah's people calling Him by name, and as we discussed previously calling on His name is a requirement for salvation. Jesus made God's name known, even though those whom he preached to knew it, but Jesus manifested His name, made Him known better as His sheep at that time were like sheep without a shepherd. Jn 17:6,26. As you know Christians are assigned to teach all the things Jesus commanded, so since Jesus taught it, his disciples obviously teach it. In fact it is just about one of the first things we teach to new ones, as no one builds a close bond with anyone with whom they do not know their name. I guess it is basically common sense sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Oh wow, thanks brother! It's all before our eyes yes?

Yes maam, it is quite observable.

 

[Robert Gwin]

That is correct, which is confirmation of the timing of just how Jesus comes again; not to be seen of the world again, but to be seen of those who believe whether in death or in life. But Paul did not only speak of the born again, but also of those with Christ who died in their sin who do not see life before the born again but after, though they proceed us who are born again. "For many who are first shall be last, and the last first."

I think you are thinking more along the line of Mat 24 Scott, those signs were given to his apostles to show when he begins his presence, not his coming which many versions render it. His actual coming is referred to in 1 Thes 4 and 2 Thes 1, and yes everyone will see him sir Rev 1:7 Perhaps not literally, but will know it is him. With his actual return, most people will be destroyed, of which we hope not, but that is what the Bible indicates. But most likely the vast majority of humans will be gone anyway, as he is not coming until the world is virtually extinct according to Mat 24:22. Is that pretty much how you see it as well Scott?

 

[Robert Gwin]

I will pm you when I have

Thanks Stred, that is why I am here, do not feel you are imposing.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The Last days were initiated in Acts 2 - for the Jewish linage of people, @Robert Gwin. I am not expecting anything to come about. Sure wars go on, and people make really radical claims on the news bulletins and stuff. However my only hope is to look forward to being able to go and be with God in the Heavenly Jerusalem.

If I had to point out something interesting to read it will always be Revelation 21-22, as it is pertains to pictures of the afterlife, and no I do not except to be on a "New Earth" personally, cause I believe all this worldly stuff is done away with once we pass from here.

Yes sir I agree, never really thought about it before, but with the outpouring of holy spirit on the disciples there, the new covenant went into effect, and the old was being phased out. Daniel did say that God would keep the covenant in effect till the end of the week, so a little over 3 more years. No doubt that helped the Jews to convert to the new faith.

The new earth is the same as the new heavens Matt, neither will be destroyed Ecc 1:4 what it is referring to is a cleansing. The new heavens is already in existence with the ousting of satan, Rev 12:7-9 and the new earth will be finalized when Jesus hands the Kingdom back to Jehovah. 1 Cor 15:24-28

There are numerous last days though Matt. In fact we are living in one of those periods now, Mat 24 was a twofold prophesy not only referring to the Jewish system being destroyed, but also the destruction of our current worldly system as well.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes sir I agree, never really thought about it before, but with the outpouring of holy spirit on the disciples there, the new covenant went into effect, and the old was being phased out. Daniel did say that God would keep the covenant in effect till the end of the week, so a little over 3 more years. No doubt that helped the Jews to convert to the new faith.

Yes, I would agree.

The new earth is the same as the new heavens Matt, neither will be destroyed Ecc 1:4 what it is referring to is a cleansing. The new heavens is already in existence with the ousting of satan, Rev 12:7-9 and the new earth will be finalized when Jesus hands the Kingdom back to Jehovah. 1 Cor 15:24-28

Robert, I do believe that the earth (land) of the Jews was destroyed by the Romans, in which brought forth the new earth (in that salvation is available to all people who look to Christ Jesus), in which there is no more priesthood, sacrifices, geneaology (of the jews in that day which was burnt up in the destruction of their land in 70Ad.

That is the new earth to me, and the new heavens- is the heavenly jerusalem where God resides, but I could be wrong.

You seem to believer differently than what I understand but that is okay. I do not wanna live on a 'new earth' I wanna stay in heaven with God. The new earth is where Salvation is available to all people - and that is now available through the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ were people die to their old ways, and live to the new ways in Christ Jesus by the Spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

When we say LOOK unto CHRIST JESUS and Unto GOD , we better make sure its the biblical version .
Cause any other god aint GOD and any other Christ aint Christ and any other gospel aint no gospel .
Feast on them bibles .

 

[ScottA]

I think you are thinking more along the line of Mat 24 Scott, those signs were given to his apostles to show when he begins his presence, not his coming which many versions render it. His actual coming is referred to in 1 Thes 4 and 2 Thes 1, and yes everyone will see him sir Rev 1:7 Perhaps not literally, but will know it is him. With his actual return, most people will be destroyed, of which we hope not, but that is what the Bible indicates. But most likely the vast majority of humans will be gone anyway, as he is not coming until the world is virtually extinct according to Mat 24:22. Is that pretty much how you see it as well Scott?

There are two points that should be clarified:

1) You say "his presence" and "not his coming", which is the same as saying "Yes, but No." That is the error of many who do not acknowledge His presence as His coming--which He said would occur in this way: "I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" with those who hear Him knocking and open the door. The two words then (His "presence" and "coming") are the same in context, not different.​

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2) So, no, most humans are not gone, but rather His coming into us who open the door when He knocks is what it is to be born [again] of the spirit of God...that "it is not we who live, but Christ who lives in us." This is why Paul said, "but each one in his own order."​

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is Great Ron, and of course Father is not wrong. The Bible has many examples of Jehovah's people calling Him by name, and as we discussed previously calling on His name is a requirement for salvation. Jesus made God's name known, even though those whom he preached to knew it, but Jesus manifested His name, made Him known better as His sheep at that time were like sheep without a shepherd. Jn 17:6,26. As you know Christians are assigned to teach all the things Jesus commanded, so since Jesus taught it, his disciples obviously teach it. In fact it is just about one of the first things we teach to new ones, as no one builds a close bond with anyone with whom they do not know their name. I guess it is basically common sense sir.

But we have been commanded by Jesus to call God "Father". But you can't. And it is Jesus and not Yahwehs name we call on for salvation. Rebert

 

[Davy]

how do you know I'm lying?

I didn't say you were lying. Are you?

There's a difference with one who makes excuses for not having believed by Faith. If those are lying, it is to themselves, and that is exactly the bottleneck that needs overcoming (James 1:5-8).

 

[Davy]

Actually Davy, I believe Mat 21:43; Gal 6:16; Rev 5:9,10; and Acts 11:26 are Bible verses sir, but yes we do teach the Bible in our cult.

You teach 'their' version of The Bible, which leaves many doctrines of the Christian saints.

You need to study Zechariah 12 at the end, and also Luke 23:27-30 in conjunction with Isaiah 54, and specifically what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11 about his brethren the Jews which God Himself blinded.

Then you might actually read your Old Testament history about God's splitting old Israel into two 'houses', and then understand that the blinded Jews STILL represent His Israel in part, and will be converted to Jesus Christ when He returns, even though they will wish for the hills and mountains to fall upon them because of their shame for having rejected Him. This is what you are missing in your theology per God's written Word.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes, I would agree.



Robert, I do believe that the earth (land) of the Jews was destroyed by the Romans, in which brought forth the new earth (in that salvation is available to all people who look to Christ Jesus), in which there is no more priesthood, sacrifices, geneaology (of the jews in that day which was burnt up in the destruction of their land in 70Ad.

That is the new earth to me, and the new heavens- is the heavenly jerusalem where God resides, but I could be wrong.

You seem to believer differently than what I understand but that is okay. I do not wanna live on a 'new earth' I wanna stay in heaven with God. The new earth is where Salvation is available to all people - and that is now available through the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ were people die to their old ways, and live to the new ways in Christ Jesus by the Spirit.

Nor do I sir, the new earth is yet future, as I stated Mat 24 is a dual prophecy, we are living in that time period now, how do we know it wasn't just about the destruction of Jerusalem and all it represented? The horses of the apocalypse parallel it, and it was penned over 20 yrs after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. The earth abideth forever as I showed you in Scripture, the earth that is new is righteous people in the Kingdom of God Matt.

The heavens are the new heavens as satan and the demons no longer have access to it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nor do I sir, the new earth is yet future, as I stated Mat 24 is a dual prophecy, we are living in that time period now, how do we know it wasn't just about the destruction of Jerusalem and all it represented? The horses of the apocalypse parallel it, and it was penned over 20 yrs after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. The earth abideth forever as I showed you in Scripture, the earth that is new is righteous people in the Kingdom of God Matt.

The heavens are the new heavens as satan and the demons no longer have access to it.

Uh OH for once we agree on much!

Yes the Matthew protion of Jesus' Olivet discourse deals more with future events, while Luke deals more with teh fate of the Apostles and the Judgment of Jerusalem because Israel as a nation committed the unpardonable sin. That judgment was rendered in 66-70 A D by the Roman legions.