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ANSWERING KJV ONLY PEOPLE
This "KJV only" is actually a misnomer. More Accurate Should Be":

KJB/V
(in English) And All Foreign translations Of / With /
FROM The Underlying "Received Text or Textus Receptus
(or Traditional Text)" Manuscripts!

For "The Honor And PRAISE Of The GLORY Of HIS GRACE!!"

Amen?

GRACE And Peace...
 
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In my experience, the most accurate translation is the one that conveys the meaning of the Biblical text.
Of course, IF we are going to base Truth on our
experience, then
how about this one?

Years ago, a traditional denomination claimed that KJV was God's Word, Because:

they found a demon-possessed man, and, opened It in front of him, and he said:
"Light." Then, they tried a New Modern version, he said: "NO light." They said
they Repeated it several times = same result.

That probably wouldn't bode well for "PROOF from experience," eh?

Better would probably Be: "God's Sound Doctrine Of PRESERVATION"?
"For ALL generations"??

What think ye? our experiences, or: "God's Ways/Thoughts"?:

Isa_55:8 "For My Thoughts are Not your thoughts,
neither are your ways My Ways, Saith The LORD.
Isa_55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are My ways Higher than your ways, and My Thoughts
than your thoughts."

GRACE And Peace...
 
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Whatever you say concerning the KJV can be said of any other translation.
Excepting of course, ONE thing: the other new modern translations "did NOT
exist" until "generations Later!" How does that fit in With God's TRUTH?:

Psa 12:6 The Words of The LORD Are Pure Words: as
silver tried in a furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times.

Psa 12:7 Thou Shalt Keep THEM, O LORD, Thou Shalt
PRESERVE THEM FROM THIS GENERATION For Ever.


Did God Actually Fail for "some generations until His word" showed up
again in 18?? And, Also, Did He "Keep His Promise from THAT NEW date
Until Today"? How can that be when there Are Over 100 translations
that are Constantly CHANGING/Being REVISED/copyrighted?

Precious friend(s), all this stuff is For PURIFICATION, or WHAT? And:
How LONG will it take to for one "to FIND God's Actual Words"???

Wait, this one says:
As I said, I have God's word in my hands each time I pick up my NKJv. I do not doubt that they are God's words and that they are perfect.
You do sound serious, but in light of the above:

Seems to me that Must be a "Different Changing" god...

Instead of The UNchangeable God Almighty, Who Only
"Purified [HIS PRESERVED Word]: Seven Times!"


Amen?

GRACE And Peace...
 
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Typical BH MO, if you don't see it his way, it's your fault. It doesn't cross his mind that he actually can be wrong. That for all his research it is he who is seeing what he wants to see.
Then, Please, for the sake of Eternity, please show us "YOUR evidence" so we
can Actually "see" where we are wrong, Fair Enough?

GRACE And Peace...
 

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Then, Please, for the sake of Eternity, please show us "YOUR evidence" so we
can Actually "see" where we are wrong, Fair Enough?

GRACE And Peace...

If God leading me to the NKJV isn't enough proof. I'm not sure what to tell you.

I prayed and asked God. He is my ultimate authority. Anything else matters not when He answers my questions and prayers.
 

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They are coming at it from the point of view that all these modern versions are wrong. Why would I want to read biased opinions?
So, you would rather read the point of view of the "modern scholarship"
that Criticizes (biased Against) The KJB, "saying IT is wrong"?
Couldn't "THEIR opinion" be wrong?
 
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Indeed, as Kjvo basically sees the translation same exact way Muslims do the Koran. but NO translation was inspired nor perfect!
No, we slaying that the Nas and esv and Nkjv has as much authority as the Kjv!
Your salvation isn’t sure either then.

How can you trust the gospel as it is written if the account might be corrupted by men and not perfect?
Exactly, IF God's Word Is NOT Inspired, then
NEITHER
Is IT "Profitable!:

”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is
Profitable
For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”
(2 Timothy 3:16-17)


Otherwise, "salvation IS NOT sure!"

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Enoch and Bible Highlighter need to have their nose rubbed in more specific texts in which the KJV has obviously been corrupted and in the objective criteria used by modern Text Critics tor determine later reads, criteria of which they are blissfully oblivious.
Sadly, those into Kjvo really do not understand biblical translation nor textual criticism!
 

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Interesting point. I have never read the preface.
Basically, the 1611 Translators stated that they were building upon the previous work of bible translators, and that their work was not perfect nor inspired, but they expected other sin the future to better and build upon their work, so they were not kjvo themselves!
 

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I trust my Hebrew and Greek text over any English translation!
So, the average believer has to now be a Hebrew and Greek scholar, to
trust God, And His Hebrew and Greek words? Highly UNlikely, as Many
babes In CHRIST are really not going to be intrigued by this idea,
Already struggling
to even "learn a second language" at school. And:

God's Word Is Clear, That HE Wants All to hear HIS Wonderful
Works, "In
their OWN language," and to have "faith (trust) in HIM!"
(Acts 2:4-11)

Therefore, we trust the English words, From God, TO us, in our KJV!:

GRACE And Peace From God, our Father, And, our
Great SAVIOUR, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!


Sound good?
 

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So, you would rather read the point of view of the "modern scholarship"
that Criticizes (biased Against) The KJB, "saying IT is wrong?
Couldn't "THEIR opinion" be wrong?

I don't read the point of view from modern scholarship. I don't go searching out their POV. I don't need to.
 

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Thanks, your evidence has been noted.

GRACE And Peace...

I couldn't read the KJV when I tried. It is very distracting to me. I am a fluid reader. I want to read and keep reading without having to stop and look up meanings to words. The "thees" and "thous" and "didst" are also distracting to me. I failed Shakespeare in High School because of those things.

So I prayed when I was looking for a Bible and God lead me to the NKJV.

I have no issues with those who can and want to read the KJV. If that is your preferred Bible, great! I would like to have the same respect. I still even have the copy that I purchased. I just won't read from it and when my NKJV falls apart, I will buy another NKJV to replace it.
 

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In order for you to prove your case, you need testimony from a bona-fide prophet sent from God who declared that he personally superintended the production of the KJV. You can't do that.
Of course, God Has Rendered That (a bonafide prophet) Impossible,
since "the gift of prophecy Has Vanished"
(1 Corinthians 13:8-10).

Thus, Neither side of this issue can benefit from that proposition, eh?

Now, the problem is, who believes in a PURE, PERFECT, And PRESERVED
Word Of God?
Because IF we DON'T Have One, Today, then:

NO
bible can be TRUSTED, and, thus, NO ONE "can Be Saved!" Correct?
And, IF ALL "are corrupt" WHY are we Even Having this discussion???

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I am fully aware of the claims you have outlined. I simply disagree with your claims. They aren't true. Such claims are based on a book that was published in the mid to late eighties by a woman who didn't know anything about languages, text types, or the issues surrounding translations. Supposed doctrinal differences are based on misunderstanding and suspicion, not on actual fact.

Believe me, I have been aware of these claims since they first arrived and they are as false today as they were back then.

I am aware of her book, and I actually did not like the approach she took with it (i.e. New Age Bible Versions).
While I admire her stand for the truth, I would have taken a different approach. The point here is that I cover some things that she did not exactly talk about (of which you simply ignored).

A List of Doctrines Changed in God's Word:
(Between the KJV and Modern Translations):

#1. Doctrine of The Trinity is Effected; For the Only Verse (1 John 5:7) That Point Blank Tells Us About the Trinity is Removed:

If I was on an island, and I had no clue about Christianity, the odds of my understanding the Trinity is better if I had a King James bible vs. a Modern Translation bible that removes this valuable truth on knowing the Trinity. So this proves that Modern Translations are less helpful for me to understand the Trinity by using the Bible alone.

#2. The Doctrine of Fasting So As To Cast Out Persistent Demons is Removed:
Matthew 17:21 that tells us that casting out persistent or really strong devils is by prayer and fasting. Yet, Matthew 17:21 is oddly removed in Modern Translations. Mark 9:29 mentions that you can pray to remove these kinds of devils, but it does not mention fasting. So the key doctrine of fasting so as to cast out really strong demons is gone. So the enemy wins if a person only adheres to the Modern Translations and they have a hate on for the KJV. For if you ever encountered strong demonic activity like this before, you know that fasting does actually help greatly, and not just prayer alone.

#3. The Full Version of the Doctrine on Having "No Condemnation" According to Romans 8:1 is Removed:
Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Modern Translations leave out the part that says, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." The KJV says, as a part of having no Condemnation: We have to (a) Be in Christ Jesus, AND: (b) Walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The enemy wants Christians today to justify sin instead of battling against it. So the enemy will do everything he can to give a person a water down version on His holy Word to promote the idea that they do not need to worry about sin destroying their soul.

#4. The Doctrine of Psalms 12:7 that the Lord will Preserve His Words Forever is Altered.
Psalms 12:6 says the words of the Lord are pure words, and in Psalms 12:7, the Psalmist says that the Lord will preserve them forever. It's kind of funny or odd that those who are against a perfect Bible existing in our world language today (i.e. the KJV) just so happen to favor Modern translations that remove and alter this very verse. Some do not even believe there is a perfect Bible out there. So who decides what words in the Bible are the true words of God? Do they decide? Now, some may say the perfect Word exists in the original languages. But Habakkuk 2:2 says write the words plainly so that he that reads it may run. So it's not going to be some gobbledygook language that nobody can understand (like biblical Hebrew, and biblical Greek). In fact, all we have today are copies of the original languages. This is not the case with the KJV. Meaning, His Word is preserved forever. His Word moved with the times. For God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. His Word does not exist perfectly in some dead language, but His Word exists in the English (Which is the world language of today).
 
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#5. In Genesis 3:16, the ESV (Which is one of the most popular Modern Translations) Doctrinally Changes the Nature of the Truth in the KJV by Saying that Eve's (the wife's) Desire is Contrary To Her Husband.

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#6. 2 Corinthians 3:12, and Habakkuk 2:2 is Altered by Modern Translations To Eliminate That God Uses Plainness of Speech.

This is important to understand because Modern Translation folk tend to prefer to look to the original languages to understand God's Word as their one and only go to source. This is not the plainness of speech that God employs. While God can speak in metaphor, or parables, He also speaks in plainness of speech, too. This has to be applicable to our life today in some way. Surely it is not a coincidence that these two key verses are eliminated in their favored Modern Translations (that influences their way of thinking).

#7. Philippians 2:7 Changes Doctrine by Removing an Aspect of the Deity of Christ During His Earthly Ministry.
Philippians 2:6-7 says correctly,

6 “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:” (Philippians 2:6-7).
King James correctly says that Christ made himself of no reputation.


Various different Modern Translations say that He “emptied himself,” and the NLT says that, “he gave up his divine privileges;” (Philippians 2:7). This is false and it is a denial of the deity of Christ. God cannot cease to become God. God cannot cut out an aspect of who He is at His core in having divine power and yet still be God. That would be a contradiction. The Modern Translations are teaching a gnostic heresy in denying that Jesus has power as God. Granted, Jesus had grown in wisdom (See: Luke 2:52), but I believe this was not an elimination of His divine powers as God, but it was a suppression of them (See: John 17:5, Habakkuk 2:14). For Jesus needed to be a like figure or type of Adam; For Adam also was limited in knowledge when He was in a right relationship with God before the Fall (See: 1 Corinthians 15:45-47). However, Jesus clearly had power as God as a man before the cross. For...

Jesus had power as God:
(during his earthly ministry):

#1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
#2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
#3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
#4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
#5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
#6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
#7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
#8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).
So Modern Translations are wrong. In fact, many Christians today think Jesus gave up His divine powers; This is because of the wrong teaching (or wrong doctrine) behind Modern Translations.​

Anyways, these are just a few of the red flags in Modern Translations.
But there are so many red flags in Modern Translations, it would make one think they were in a Russian airport.
 
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I am not going to follow links. Let's take one verse at a time. Here is the NASB 1995 translation of John 1:18. What doctrine was changed?
18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

In John 1:14: It is saying that the Son of God was only begotten of the Father in the sense of His human side or the Incarnation when the Word was made flesh. It is incorrect to say in Modern bibles in John 1:18 that Jesus is the only begotten God because it saying that HE is the object of being begotten (being born) AS GOD. Jesus was begotten of the Father in the sense of His human side only. That is what John 1:14 is saying. The Word was made flesh. The Word was not coming into existence.

One of your Modern Bibles says this:

John 1:18 NASB
“No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Begotten means to be born. Jesus is not the born into existence God. Jesus is the only begotten Son in the sense that He was born by human flesh from God the Father. But the Word (second person of the Trinity) is eternal and forever existed.

Then there is Micah 5:2 you have to deal with in certain Modern Bibles, too. You really cannot skate around that one in being a problem. Some Modern bibles suggest that the Messiah is not from everlasting.
 
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From this response I conclude that you have nothing to support your contention that God superintended the KJV. Until you can prove it, your beliefs are unsubstantiated and not worthy of affirmation.

I mentioned Proverbs 18:13 because you were not willing to click on the links to check out the points I made.