KJV Only...which one!

[Bible Highlighter]

Wasn't really shooting the messenger, unless you are trying to actually play the victim card?

Was only pointing out your posting style.

Attacking the way or style in which I post is to attack or belittle me, my friend. It would be like criticizing the slow way in which a handicapped kid may walk and saying you are not attacking him but merely the way in which he walks. Such a thing is merely splitting hairs and we all know it is an attack upon the person itself.

Besides, let me get this straight. You don't' believe my following statement is something you have ever thought or said (using different words)?

“If not, you are simply seeing what you want to see.” Quote by: ~ Bible Highlighter

As a matter of fact, the Bible talks about those who see things that they want to see rather than accepting the truth.

2 Timothy 3:7
“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

2 Timothy 4:3-4
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

2 Timothy 2:25
“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;”

Proverbs 14:6
“A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.”

Isaiah 30:10
“Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:”

1 Timothy 6:3-4
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,...”

 

[Bible Highlighter]

My first Bible translation was an NIV in 2007.

But it always bothered me that there were so many different versions on the shelf to chose from. Being totally ignorant of the scriptures at the time my only “proof” was to look up the story of the flood which I learned about watching a Bible movie years ago. So I happened to pick up the NIV and found the flood account while scanning through the pages. Once I found the flood account I bought the NIV.

So throughout the year as I read the NIV this was a source of questioning of the scriptures; why so many versions?

So I prayed one night asking God if the NIV was His word.

Soon after I met a man who came to my job and saw my Bible on my desk. He then asked what version was it? From there he proceeded to tell me about modern Bible corruptions. This got my attention quickly because at the time whenever I searched the internet on Bible translations I always seemed to find only pro-modern Bible sources. But after speaking with this man I tried searching the internet using phrases like “Bible corruption” and I found many enlightening articles showing how modern translations were greatly influenced by the critical text of 1881.

Once I realized how different the modern versions were from the KJV I felt that my prayer was answered.

But I got even more confirmation once I started reading the KJV! The word in the KJV translation moved me and changed me! The NIV did not do this!

Praise the Lord! I am really glad the Lord has shown you the truth on this, brother.

Blessings and peace be unto you today in the Lord Jesus.

 

[Naomanos]

It's not an opinion if somebody believes the footnotes in Modern Bibles that comes from Modern Scholars. If somebody does not believe the ending of Mark or they don't believe 1 John 5:7 because some scholar says they don't belong in the Bible, that is faith in the Religion of Modern Scholarship and not faith in what the Bible says.

It is indeed your opinion that I quoted.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It is indeed your opinion that I quoted.

Again, it's not an opinion that the Religion of Modern Scholarship makes a person to doubt the Bible because footnotes from Modern Scholarship makes a person to question whether certain portions of the Bible are actually in the Bible like the ending in Mark, 1 John 5:7, etcetera. Modern Scholarship came after the Received Text or the Traditional Text had already been established with the King James Bible for hundreds of years. Many of these beloved verses were simply now questioned because of Modern Scholarship popularized by Westcott and Hort. These are all facts that one can attest to by examining the evidence carefully.

 

[Naomanos]

Sorry, the NKJV is not perfect like the KJB.
Let's examine the verses to check it out.

Hebrews 3:16 KJB

“For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.”​

Hebrews 3:16 NKJV

“For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?”​

Joshua and Caleb did not rebel. This is why the King James Bible correctly renders it as some and not as all who came out of Egypt as the NKJV falsely renders it.

Zechariah 13:6 KJB

“And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”​

Zechariah 13:6 NKJV

“And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’ Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’”​

The NKJV falsely says this is arms and not hands.
Psalms 22:16 in the NKJV says, “They pierced My hands and My feet;”

What's odd is that in a previous NKJV edition (1982) it said hands.
It seems like the NKJV cannot make up its mind.

See, the updates in the KJB were done for loyal and good reasons (So that men can have the purest form of the Word of God). Seeing the KJB is not copy written outside of the UK, the goal is for men to have the Word of God. On the other hand, Modern Bibles are out to create a certain percentage of changes like Modern Bibles in order to place a copyright upon it and make money off of it. You have to make a certain percentage of changes in order to claim it is a new edition to get a copyright. So this forces the translator to make changes to fit the need of copyright laws rather than trying to be guided by God to give readers the most accurate words of God.

The NKJV was created to deceive KJB Only Christians who are ignorant or uneducated on the topic.

The NKJV is the perfect bait and switch Bible (Which is a tactic of deception).
Check out this video here to learn more:

The NKJV is the word of God, just as the KJV, the NIV, NRSV, ESV, etc... are.

Even for all your research, you can still be wrong. Don't care to watch your videos from people who are biased against Modern versions. They are coming at it from the point of view that all these modern versions are wrong. Why would I want to read biased opinions?

I have God who led me to the NKJV as my source of authority after praying. Nothing more is needed than His leading!

 

[Naomanos]

Again, it's not an opinion that the Religion of Modern Scholarship makes a person to doubt the Bible because footnotes from Modern Scholarship makes a person to question whether certain portions of the Bible are actually in the Bible like the ending in Mark, 1 John 5:7, etcetera. Modern Scholarship came after the Received Text or the Traditional Text had already been established with the King James Bible for hundreds of years. Many of these beloved verses were simply now questioned because of Modern Scholarship popularized by Westcott and Hort. These are all facts that one can attest to by examining the evidence carefully.

What I quoted in that post is your opinion and nothing more. There was only your one sentence that I quoted that I pointed out was your opinion.

You can try to defend it all you want, but the post is there for all to see.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Nice images! And this is amazing how there
"Is NO fear in burning up God's Precious Words," eh?:

Jer 36:20 And they went in to the king into the court, but they laid up the roll in the chamber of Elishama the scribe, and told all the words in the ears of the king.
Jer 36:21 So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
Jer 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.
Jer 36:23 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
Jer 36:24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.

Makes me think of the Multitudinous Changes today in "His word" = my
understanding is that there MUST Be 30% or more "Changes" made
in order to receive a "NEW Copyright" for an "easier-to-read/understand
word Of God"? Of course, I could "be mistaken."

How in the world, Exactly, is this process With NO FEAR (Of God's JUDGMENT?),

Preservation Of God's Pure/Holy Word?

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The NKJV is the word of God, just as the KJV, the NIV, NRSV, ESV, etc... are.

Even for all your research, you can still be wrong. Don't care to watch your videos from people who are biased against Modern versions. They are coming at it from the point of view that all these modern versions are wrong. Why would I want to read biased opinions?

It's the same reason why you would read my posts, right?
Or are you not reading them?
Here in America, we have a court law system with witnesses where it is their duty to hear both sides of the case (evidence) to make an effective judgment. Seems like you don't agree with that.

In either case, his point in the video was to show you that in the 1970's the New Testament King James Bible basically said that they were not going to subject us to the Westcott and Hort Critical Text and take away or add any words. They lied. They did so in later editions of the NKJV.

Here is page 1235 in the 1982 NKJV Edition.

Notice what it says above on the page. It says that it leaves it up to the reader to decide to delete something he or she felt was not properly a part of the text. So the reader gets to decide in altering God's Word? Really? Revelation 22:18-19 warns against adding or taking away from God's words. Do the editors of the NKJV who wrote this even know this passage? Note: Even if you wanted this to apply to the book of Revelation alone, this still does not help you because Modern bibles remove and add words from the book of Revelation.

I have God who led me to the NKJV as my source of authority after praying. Nothing more is needed than His leading!

Sometimes when we pray, we do not always get an immediate answer we are always seeking. Sometimes it takes continual prayer on an issue to get a more proper answer. Sometimes God does not always answer right away, as well. If we are truly a truth seeker, then I believe God will show us the truth, but you do not appear to want to examine the other side of the case, though (By not watching the video).

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Your discarding of modern scholarship (including the many texts (Biblical and otherwise) and the increased knowledge of the ancient languages and societal norms) speaks volumes.

Yes, I prefer God's "Volumes - Speak" Best, because:
I would rather be "modern scholarship" (1Co 2:4; 2Tim 3:7) ignorant, than:

Bible, "living By EVERY Pure, Holy, And PRESERVED Word Of Truth,"
and/or God's Bible study Rules, ignorant!:

1Co 2:13 "Which things also we speak, NOT in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
But Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

GRACE And Peace...

 

[JesusFan1]

Not true.

Proof?

You may or may not know this but the 1881 Revised Version is Westcott and Hort's first English translation that was based on their New Testament Greek Critical Text (that departed from the Traditional Text or Received Text of which the King James Bible is based off of). The Westcott and Hort Greek Critical Text is still the textual basis even for the Nestle and Aland Critical Text for the New Testament.

Let's compare the KJB vs. the NKJV, vs. the RV English 1881 (Westcott and Hort).

#1. Acts of the Apostles 12:4:

Acts of the Apostles 12:4 KJB

“And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.”
​

Acts of the Apostles 12:4 NKJV

“So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.”
​

Acts of the Apostles 12:4 RV (1881)

“And when he had taken him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him; intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.”

RV Source:
Acts 12 - Revised Version 1881​

To learn more about the importance of this difference, check out this article here.

#2. 1 Timothy 6:10:

1 Timothy 6:10 KJB

“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
​

1 Timothy 6:10 NKJV

“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
​

1 Timothy 6:10 RV (1881) (Westcott and Hort)

“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

RV Source:
1 Timothy 6 - Revised Version 1881
​

There is a difference between “all evil” and “all kinds of evi.”
The correct rendering is in the KJB. This is explained in the second view mentioned in this article here.

#3. 2 Timothy 2:15

2 Timothy 2:15 KJB

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
​

2 Timothy 2:15 NKJV

“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
​

2 Timothy 2:15 RV (1881) (Westcott and Hort)

“Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth.”

RV source:
2 Timothy 2 - Revised Version 1881
​

Clearly we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God because 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says all Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works. But God knows that His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hebrews 4:6). No doubt the devil does not want God's people to know about how God commands His people to study. Modern bibles muddy the waters on the meaning of what we must do (Which is to study God's Word).

#4. Jude 1:15

Jude 1:15 KJB

“To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
​

Jude 1:15 NKJV

“to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
​

Jude 1:15 RV (1881)

“to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly wrought, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
​

RV Source:
Jude 1 - Revised Version 1881​

There is a difference between speeches and things.

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As for the Old Testament:

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The NKJV translators also followed the Westcott Revised English Version of the Old Testament (that used the Hebraica for the Old Testament). Note: The Hebraica was created in recent history by Anti-Semitic German named Rudolf Kittel. See this article here at Encyclopedia.com to learn more.

#1. Zechariah 13:6

Zechariah 13:6 KJB

“And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”
​

Zechariah 13:6 NKJV

“And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’ Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”
​

Zechariah 13:6 RV (1881) (Westcott and Hort)

“And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds between thine arms? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”​

Source:
Zechariah 13 - Revised Version 1881​

The NKJV is in error here because it admits in Psalms 22:16 that His hands and feet were pierced.

#2. Genesis 3:5

Genesis 3:5 KJB

“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
​

Genesis 3:5 NKJV

“For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
​

Genesis 3:5 RV (1881) (Westcott and Hort)

“for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.”
​

Source:
Genesis 3 - Revised Version 1881​

The NKJV is wrong because it is suggesting that Adam and Eve can be as God Himself vs. be as gods (little “g”). In either case, the verses here show that the NKJV at times favors the Critical Text.

Easter was a mistake, as it was the Jewish Passover!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What I quoted in that post is your opinion and nothing more. There was only your one sentence that I quoted that I pointed out was your opinion.

You can try to defend it all you want, but the post is there for all to see.

Yes, I believe those who are truth seekers (who carefully weigh in all the evidence) will see the truth, my friend.

 

[JesusFan1]

I didn't say the topic was waste of time did I? Maybe I did. What remains a waste of time is arguments over various translations and text families and manuscripts etc.

The only authoritative written record of the words of God are the original autographs. Everything else is a translation and ALL translations, including the KJV are interpretations of the autographs.

Indeed, as Kjvo basically sees the translation same exact way Muslims do the Koran. but NO translation was inspired nor perfect!

 

[JesusFan1]

So what you mean to say is that Christians do not have an authoritative Word of God. Which is TOTAL NONSENSE. All translations are not interpretations at all, since those which adhere to word for word translation do provide an accurate and reliable representation of the original languages. Naturally they have to also be idiomatic, therefore they will differ in the word order.

No, we slaying that the Nas and esv and Nkjv has as much authority as the Kjv!

 

[Naomanos]

Seems like you don't agree with that.

Oh I do. However, this isn't a court of law.

Sometimes when we pray, we do not always get an immediate answer we are always seeking. Sometimes it takes continual prayer on an issue to get a more proper answer. Sometimes God does not always answer right away, as well. If we are truly a truth seeker, then I believe God will show us the truth, but you do not appear to want to examine the other side of the case, though (By not watching the video).

And yet I did get an answer from God. He lead me to the NKJV. God Himself said that the NKJV is just fine by His leading. No need to look at the other side, when God Himself says it's okay.

If you have an issue with it I suggest you pray about it yourself.

 

[JesusFan1]

I strongly disagree.

If it's not about doubting God's Word then why do they put footnotes saying that certain verses are not in the better and older manuscripts? If I believe Textual Critics, I will not believe the ending in Mark, I will not believe that the story of the woman caught in the act of adultery in John 8 really happened. I will not believe 1 John 5:7 is supposed to be in my Bible. It's a... “Yea, hath God said,...?” approach to the Bible.

Textual Criticism that was popularized by Westcott and Hort was an attack upon the Received Text or the Traditional Text of the Bible (and the King James Bible) of which Hort said the Text Receptus was villainous and vile. You think the Critical Text is better but it's not. It's a never ending shape shifter Bible in a language no man today can possibly know. Their work is never done and they are constantly updating their NT Greek text when new manuscript evidence arises. But the Nestle and Aland text (Influenced by the Vatican) still uses the corrupt Westcott and Hort NT Greek text as it's textual basis.

The 1611 translators ALL p;practiced and used textual criticism to make the 1611 Kjv, so all right for them but now for today?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

but NO translation was inspired nor perfect!

Your salvation isn’t sure either then.

How can you trust the gospel as it is written if the account might be corrupted by men and not perfect?

 

[JesusFan1]

Yes, I believe those who are truth seekers (who carefully weigh in all the evidence) will see the truth, my friend.

Do you see the Hebrew and Greek text as having final authority over the Kjv?

 

[JesusFan1]

Your salvation isn’t sure either then.

How can you trust the gospel as it is written if the account might be corrupted by men and not perfect?

We know that the Kjv was corrupted and imperfect in parts!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Nice images!

Thank you. May the Lord Jesus get all the glory.

And this is amazing how there
"Is NO fear in burning up God's Precious Words," eh?:

Jer 36:20 And they went in to the king into the court, but they laid up the roll in the chamber of Elishama the scribe, and told all the words in the ears of the king.
Jer 36:21 So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
Jer 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.
Jer 36:23 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
Jer 36:24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.

Well, in some cases I can see this passage as referring to die hard Modern Scholars who hate the King James Bible and will do anything at any cost to attack the KJB and make people to not trust in it. Rick Norris is one person who comes to mind who will do anything to get people away from believing in the King James Bible. I don't think your average Christian who has been hoodwinked by Modern Scholarship is even aware of the magnitude of this issue by carefully weighing in the evidence. Most Modern Scholarship Christians are okay with a person reading and studying the KJB and believing in it. They just do not like the idea of a perfectly preserved Word of God to be under authority to it entirely (for themselves personally). Most are not like a Rick Norris who has actually destroyed the faith of a few who once believed in a perfect Bible (the KJB). For what Rick Norris is really doing is destroying a Christian's faith in Psalms 12:6-7, Proverbs 30:5-6, Matthew 24:35, 1 Peter 1:23-25, etcetera. What Rick Norris is doing is metaphorically burning God's words in the KJB that was sown in their heart, and he has gotten them to receive his words into their heart whereby they cannot trust the Bible anymore plainly in what it says. They have to go to Rick Norris and other scholars to get the Word of God. They have to bend the knee and kiss the rings of scholars vs. giving God's Word all the glory.

Makes me think of the Multitudinous Changes today in "His word" = my
understanding is that there MUST Be 30% or more "Changes" made
in order to receive a "NEW Copyright" for an "easier-to-read/understand
word Of God"? Of course, I could "be mistaken."

A recall a fellow KJB Only Christian saying it was 10%, but I personally do not know the exact percentage seeing I am not a copyright lawyer.

Thank you for the kind words.

May the Lord's good ways shine upon you and your family in the Lord.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

We know that the Kjv was corrupted and imperfect in parts!

I know that the KJV is the best translation available and completely trust worthy.

Who do you trust? What version do you trust?

Do you even have a Bible with your attitude?

Satan’s task is so much easier with a generation without a perfect trustworthy Bible.