Jesus Died for Judas

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Can I remind people that this thread is supposed to be about Jesus Christ dying for Judas and the entire human race.

It has been hijacked by other issues

 

[Illuminator]

The Catholic Church is welcoming gay pride.

CATHOLIC LEAGUE DENOUNCES ‘REPUGNANT’ DUPLICITY OF GAY PRIDE
“that America’s love affair with gay pride should acknowledge its origins in child abuse and bigotry.” READ MORE HERE

THE THORNY ISSUE OF GAY PRIDE
To many Americans, gay pride month is about giving due recognition to lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender persons and queers (LGBTQ). These are Americans who have been marginalized because of their status and are seeking an end to it. To be sure, there is near unanimity that bullying of any kind is unacceptable and that unjust discrimination should not be tolerated. Beyond that, the issue gets thorny, though there is a reluctance on the part of elites to admit it.
read more here

GAY PRIDE PARADE SPARES CATHOLICS
This year’s New York Gay Pride Parade was the first one in memory that did not include even one exhibition of anti-Catholicism. In past years, men and women dressed as priests and nuns, did satanic dances, went naked in the streets and made obscene gestures in front of St. Patrick’s Cathedral. That is why the Catholic League protested and sought to get the march to begin at a point below the Cathedral.

In the interim between the 1995 and 1996 Gay Pride Parades, Dr. Donohue and Bernadette Brady met twice with top officials in the administration of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani lodging their complaints. They showed pictures of the outrageous behavior that took place in front of St. Patrick’s in past years and requested that the starting point of the parade be moved away from the Cathedral.

Donohue and Brady made it clear that the issue was not gays, but anti-Catholicism. Indeed, in a news release on the subject, the league spelled out its position without ambiguity: “The Catholic League does not question the right of gays to march. What it objects to is the anti-Catholic behavior and lewd exhibitions that take place every year in front of St. Patrick’s. If straights dressed up in Catholic garb and made insulting gestures at the Cathedral, we would complain just as much. If straights went naked in the streets, we would complain just as much. If straights simulated oral sex in front of the Cathedral, we would complain just as much. Our complaint, then, is with the behavior of some of the marchers and with the failure of gay leaders to condemn the vulgarity that is attendant to the Gay Pride March.”

The Catholic Church is welcoming gay pride??? Lucky for you, ChristianityBoard grants liars and bigots immunity from the rules, as long as Catholics are the victims.
https://www.catholicleague.org/the-thorny-issue-of-gay-pride/

 

[Illuminator]

Can I remind people that this thread is supposed to be about Jesus Christ dying for Judas and the entire human race.

It has been hijacked by other issues

Ya think??? Are we supposed to be silent in the face of Ziggy's bigotry, lies and falsehoods? As long as one is bashing Catholics it doesn't violate the rules. What a joke. What a double standard. Ziggy is the one with the Catholic bashing derailers. Your reminder should be addressed to him.

 

[Aunty Jane]

At the risk of further derailment of the thread which I believe has been answered....

what Jesus says here in verse 24, is clarified in verse 58, "πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί", "before Abraham existed I AM". Abraham lived some thousands of years before Jesus Spoke these words. Here is contrast in the Greek is important. "γενέσθαι", second aorist middle, as to Abraham's "entering the world"; and "εἰμί", in the present, denoting the "timeless existing" of Jesus. The Jews fully understood that Jesus here claimed to be the Great I AM of Exodus 3, because they wanted to stone Him to death. Otherwise WHY would they do this? In verse 24 the Greek is the same as 58, "ἐγὼ εἰμί", there is no "HE" in the Greek text.

It is my experience that no matter what evidence is produced, people just stick to what they want to believe....but the fact is that not once did Jesus ever claim to be Yahweh or even his equal. That would have been blasphemy to any Jew, and Jesus’ audience were exclusively Jewish.

The Jews were looking for excuses to kill him...blasphemy was their charge of choice because Jesus was innocent in every other way. Saying that he claimed to be “God” when all he had ever said was that he was “God’s son” was a lie, but they lied through their teeth about everything Jesus taught. They had their own positions and self-righteousness to protect. (Matthew 23) Jesus was making them look bad.

As for the Hebrew in Exodus 3:14, "Eheyeh asher Eheyeh". There are Jewish websites that translate this, "And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you" (https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0203.htm); and "And G-d said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you"

Since Jesus was answering a question about his age and the Jews were answering a statement where Jesus said...”Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

I believe that to answer a past tense question with a present tense answer is inaccurate. “I have been” is an accurate a response to the question. He was telling the Jews he existed before Abraham, nothing more. Like all trinitarians, you are reading what you want to see here....attempting to marry two completely unrelated scriptures.

Note that the Person Who appeared to Moses in the Burning Bush, indetified Himself at the start (verse 2), as "מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה", translated as "The Angel of Yahweh", or, "The Messenger of Yahweh", One Who is sent on a Mission. However, This "Angel", further identifies Himself as, "Yhaweh", in verse 4, and "Elohim", in verse 6, and so on. This "מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה" is DISTINCT from Yahweh, as He Comes FROM Yahweh, but is Himself also Yahweh!

You do understand what his role as the “Logos” was? He was Yahweh’s spokesman, always speaking as God’s representative. The three angels who came to Abraham at Mamre, where one spoke as Yahweh, was more than likely the pre-human Jesus. The true God has never appeared in human form and would never need to. To equate the “Most High God Yahweh” with his “holy servant Jesus” is insulting to both of them IMO. (Psalm 83:18; Acts 4:27)

In Revelation 1:17, Jesus Christ tells the Apostle John, "ὁ πρῶτος καὶ ὁ ἔσχατος", "I AM THE First and THE Last", which is the same as Exodus 3:14, as found in the LXX, "the Eternal One". The Jews translate Isaiah 44:6, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Yeshayahu (Isaiah): Chapter 44). How can Jesus say this, as He also does in Reveleation 2:8, and 22:13, if He is not Himself YAHWEH?

See, here is another example of grasping at verses that might suggest something you want to believe.
Give me a clear categorical statement from either God or his Christ as to their being one and the same God and the argument is settled. Tell me where the Holy Spirit is ever called “God”?
Both Yahweh and Jesus have personal names to identify them...what is the name of the Holy Spirit?

I hear the same principle argued with his title “Savior” as if Yahweh can be the only one called by this designation. The one who sends the savior is also a savior.
When an emergency service crew is sent to an accident scene, how many saviors (rescuers) are involved? Are they not all “saviors”?

Judges 3:9...
“When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Yahweh raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.“
Was Othʹni·el also part of your trinity?

Who is “the only true God”?....not the one he “sent”. (John 17:3)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The KJV is NOT the only Bible that is the Word of God.

and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:47 ESV

I will have the $1000

When you see “ Of Sins” following the word “ repent” in a Bible..... It is a bad translation.... words ADDED by the translators that try to pass on their Confusion about Salvation....The KJV that I specified, does not have this error.....as always, I’ll keep the $1000..... I sorely need it right now for gas....

 

[Ziggy]

Can I remind people that this thread is supposed to be about Jesus Christ dying for Judas and the entire human race.

It has been hijacked by other issues

Who is Judas surnamed Iscariot?
Who is Simon?
Jhn 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Jhn 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Jhn 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Jhn 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

What is the meaning of Iscariot?
Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Iscariot:
Iscariot = "men of Kerioth"

Kerioth:
Jos 15:20 This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families.
Jos 15:21 And the uttermost cities of the tribe of the children of Judah toward the coast of Edom southward were Kabzeel, and Eder, and Jagur,
Jos 15:25 And Hazor, Hadattah, and Kerioth, and Hezron, which is Hazor,

Kerioth = "cities"

What can we know about Kerioth?
Kerioth is a city in Moab. It is mentioned in Jeremiah Chapter 48.

The question in the OP is Jesus died for Judas.
Is the prophecy in Jeremiah 48 concerning Judas?

Again another prophecy concerning Moab can be found in Amos chapter 2.

There are a lot of similarities in these prophecies that could apply to Judas and others.
How did Jesus choose these specific twelve. By what standard were they selected?
What purpose did each one serve?

Did Jesus die for Judas? Did he die for Kerioth? Did he die for Moab? Did he die for Judah?
Did he die for Israel?

Who is Simon?

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Your reminder should be addressed to him.

My pronoun is She/Her thankyou.

moving on...

 

[Aunty Jane]

Who is Judas surnamed Iscariot?
Who is Simon?
Jhn 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Jhn 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Jhn 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Jhn 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

What is the meaning of Iscariot?
Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

There were common names in Bible times just as there are now....

Judas Iscariot was the son of Simon Iscariot. (John 6:71)

Peter was a surname too....Simon Peter. (John 1:40-42)

There were two apostles named Judas, one was Judas Iscariot, and the other Judas was also called Thaddaeus and “the son of James.”.....(Matthew 10:2-4)

 

[Ziggy]

There were common names in Bible times just as there are now....

Judas Iscariot was the son of Simon Iscariot. (John 6:71)

Peter was a surname too....Simon Peter. (John 1:40-42)

There were two apostles named Judas, one was Judas Iscariot, and the other Judas was also called Thaddaeus and “the son of James.”.....(Matthew 10:2-4)

I see what your saying, but i don't believe Iscariot was like a last name.
Iscariot in this case to me would be like a slang, like Peter or Cephus meant a descriptive of something.
Iscariot being Judas' surname would be like a "label" , maybe even a mark.
The very word "name" in hebrew is interpreted as a "mark" it's an identifier.

That's why I was looking at the origens of Kerioth, because Iscariot means men of Kerioth.
I'm trying to stay on topic @Aunty Jane


What is the ultimate fate of Moab? Because that is where Kerioth has it's origens. And Moab is in the Inheritance of Judah,
and Judah of course is one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

Was Judas a man of Kerioth as the surname Iscariot implies?
Or was the name Iscariot given to him as an identifier, like a slang.
Meaning Israel "inherited" Kerioth as one of the cities that was divided up among the tribes when they came over the Jordan.
Does the name imply that Judas is a gentile, a stranger, an outsider perhaps?

I think Judas plays a role somehow ( if it is the case that Judas was a Gentile) , to how that might relate to the Jew/Gentile connections that Paul makes.

I touched a nerve earlier and I rather not rub any more salt in the wound, So I'm just going to move along..

I believe Judas' role even though it was short, has a much bigger role to play throughout the whole bible, and not just in the Gospels.
I sharpened a couple shovels today. They started getting rather blunt.
This "excavating for hidden treasures" is what I enjoy the most.
It's a good topic, and one worthy of truly looking at all sides.

Jesus didn't choose Judas out of the blue. This is strategic manuevering, and precise timing, I believe, for a lot of prophecies to be fulfilled.
But that's just my opinion.
I'ma keep diggin
Hugs

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

but the fact is that not once did Jesus ever claim to be Yahweh or even his equal. That would have been blasphemy to any Jew, and Jesus’ audience were exclusively Jewish

This is what YOU want the Bible to say, but Jesus' own words proves you are WRONG!

We shall see from Jesus' own words in Matthew 11:10 (also, Mark 1:1-3; Luke 7:27), that He makes a direct and unambiguous claim for Himself to be the Yahweh of the Old Testament. It must be noted, that this claim does not in any way deny that The Father and Holy Spirit are also Yahweh.

In the original words found in Malachi 3:1, where the Speaker is Yahweh. The Greek of Matthew 11:10 ( Mark 1:1-3; Luke 7:27), the words are neither from the Hebrew or Greek (LXX) of the passage in Malachi. Instead, The Lord Jesus Christ, on His own Authority, has changed the words, so that they refer directly to Himself, what is in Malachi, of Yahweh. Jesus has changed the first person, “before Me (μου)”, to the second person, “before thee (σου)”. In the passage in Malachi, Yahweh speaks of the “messenger”, who is John the Baptist, as His forerunner, “going before Him”. Jesus, by changing the pronoun, appropriates what Yahweh Speaks in Malachi, to Himself, and makes John the Baptist as His own “messenger”, who went before Him! In the passage in Malachi, we also have the Coming of the “the Messenger (Angel) of the Covenant”, Who is “the Lord ('âdôn) Whom you seek”, before Whom John the Baptist went to “prepare the Way”!

Matthew 3:3, and the other Gospels, also teaches that John the Baptist was the Forerunner of Yahweh, as in Jesus Christ, “God manifested in the flesh” (1 Timothy 3:16. Paul's words)

“For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare you the Way of the Lord, make His paths straight.”

In the original verse in Isaiah 40:3, it reads, “The voice of him that cries in the wilderness, Prepare you the Way of the LORD (Yahweh), make straight in the desert a highway for our God”

By using this passage in Isaiah for the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the Gospels, is beyond any doubt, one of the strongest evidences in Scripture, for the absolute Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ! Only those who doubt the Word of God, will doubt this about Jesus Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

My pronoun is She/Her thankyou.

moving on...

Yep , i thought you were SISTER ZIGGY .
Let me give us a reminder about something .
One i believe you already know full well .
What one is born is what one is . Example , i was born male so i am male .
If one is born male but later decides they are female and then they come and declare their confusion
Saying I am female and my pronoun is she , or her
Dont call them she or her . No they were born male and male is what they are .
Never add to their confusion by agreeing with it by calling them their preferred pronoun .
Lest we be partakers of their evil deeds .
We are not to be PC , but rather CC and BC .
PC . politically correct , CC , CHRIST CORRECT and BC BIBLICALLY CORRECT .
THE LATTER two are for saints . The first is of the world and we cannot partake of it . As you see
OFTEN PC teachings contradict GOD . Let a lamb never once do that .

 

[amigo de christo]

I see what your saying, but i don't believe Iscariot was like a last name.
Iscariot in this case to me would be like a slang, like Peter or Cephus meant a descriptive of something.
Iscariot being Judas' surname would be like a "label" , maybe even a mark.
The very word "name" in hebrew is interpreted as a "mark" it's an identifier.

That's why I was looking at the origens of Kerioth, because Iscariot means men of Kerioth.
I'm trying to stay on topic @Aunty Jane


What is the ultimate fate of Moab? Because that is where Kerioth has it's origens. And Moab is in the Inheritance of Judah,
and Judah of course is one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

Was Judas a man of Kerioth as the surname Iscariot implies?
Or was the name Iscariot given to him as an identifier, like a slang.
Meaning Israel "inherited" Kerioth as one of the cities that was divided up among the tribes when they came over the Jordan.
Does the name imply that Judas is a gentile, a stranger, an outsider perhaps?

I think Judas plays a role somehow ( if it is the case that Judas was a Gentile) , to how that might relate to the Jew/Gentile connections that Paul makes.

I touched a nerve earlier and I rather not rub any more salt in the wound, So I'm just going to move along..

I believe Judas' role even though it was short, has a much bigger role to play throughout the whole bible, and not just in the Gospels.
I sharpened a couple shovels today. They started getting rather blunt.
This "excavating for hidden treasures" is what I enjoy the most.
It's a good topic, and one worthy of truly looking at all sides.

Jesus didn't choose Judas out of the blue. This is strategic manuevering, and precise timing, I believe, for a lot of prophecies to be fulfilled.
But that's just my opinion.
I'ma keep diggin
Hugs

I say let us keep it simple .
If we simply read in JOHN we do notice that JESUS is speaking of the twelve
and ONE is lost , the SON of perditon . Notice that last word . PERDITION .
ITS always attached to the end of the ungodly , in perditon and destruction of ungodly men .
Notice paul calls the coming man of sin the SON of PERDITON . Now lest we think
that man and that spirit will be saved , and it wont , i say we just leave this whole judas thing along .
Jesus called him the son of perdition .
Its clear when we read the simple scrips JESUS spoke of judas . Notice it also says HE betrayed Him .
WHEN peter himself denied Christ , HE truly did repent . Notice HE did not go and hang himself and end his own life .
You dont KNOW judas is in heaven . I say that at the very least we just leave this alone .
Lest we be found to be speaking error . Rather let us focus on what we KNOW does and will SAVE ONE .
The preaching of the GOSPEL . That if one does hear and beleive they will be saved
but that if one rejects they will be damned . This is enough for us to know .
Just preach JESUS as the only means of salvation , that if one does hear and believe they will be saved
but if one rejects Him they will be damned .

 

[amigo de christo]

I see what your saying, but i don't believe Iscariot was like a last name.
Iscariot in this case to me would be like a slang, like Peter or Cephus meant a descriptive of something.
Iscariot being Judas' surname would be like a "label" , maybe even a mark.
The very word "name" in hebrew is interpreted as a "mark" it's an identifier.

That's why I was looking at the origens of Kerioth, because Iscariot means men of Kerioth.
I'm trying to stay on topic @Aunty Jane


What is the ultimate fate of Moab? Because that is where Kerioth has it's origens. And Moab is in the Inheritance of Judah,
and Judah of course is one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

Was Judas a man of Kerioth as the surname Iscariot implies?
Or was the name Iscariot given to him as an identifier, like a slang.
Meaning Israel "inherited" Kerioth as one of the cities that was divided up among the tribes when they came over the Jordan.
Does the name imply that Judas is a gentile, a stranger, an outsider perhaps?

I think Judas plays a role somehow ( if it is the case that Judas was a Gentile) , to how that might relate to the Jew/Gentile connections that Paul makes.

I touched a nerve earlier and I rather not rub any more salt in the wound, So I'm just going to move along..

I believe Judas' role even though it was short, has a much bigger role to play throughout the whole bible, and not just in the Gospels.
I sharpened a couple shovels today. They started getting rather blunt.
This "excavating for hidden treasures" is what I enjoy the most.
It's a good topic, and one worthy of truly looking at all sides.

Jesus didn't choose Judas out of the blue. This is strategic manuevering, and precise timing, I believe, for a lot of prophecies to be fulfilled.
But that's just my opinion.
I'ma keep diggin
Hugs

God will also have the ten kings to surrender unto the beast . Does this mean that they too are saved .
Nope . Anymore than GOD knew What Judas was and That JUDAS would betray Christ .
Just because GOD uses the evil to do and accomplish his plan , DONT MEAN they are saved .
GO read revelation chapter thirteen . NOTICE it says GOD causes them to surrender unto the beast .
Dont mean the ten kings will end up saved .
GOD uses the evil to accomplish his own will , JUST as HE uses the lambs to do good and accomplish His good will .
God simply foreknows all things and works all things according to his own purpose and will .
We should simply focus on the preaching of the gospel , and correcting the brethren who do err and etc .
Our focus should be on good and pure exhortations , on sound doctrine , on the gospel .
Reminding all to repent and believe the glorious gospel of our Lord .
Save some through fear and others through compassion .
Not teaching things we dont truly know and thus might be teaching serious error .
Keep it on the things that are simple . That so long as one has breath , they have a chance to be saved
if they will repent and believe in Christ , the glorious gospel .
ALSO if one has erred and fallen , That we do all to restore such a one . AND if they return they are restored .
The simple things . Too many men have made way too much complicated by trying to figure GOD out
and preaching a love of GOD that is contrary to THE WORD of GOD .
SO i am just trying to bring us back to the simple truth . Leave alone what we do not know . Speak what we do know .
And that is , IF ONE will come to the glorious LORD JESUS , CONFESSING HIM by mouth and beleiving
from the heart that GOD has rose Him from the dead they will be saved .
AND then learning and being hearers and doers all things JESUS did teach and say . It truly is a simple walk .
But men have made it very complicated . THEY are always learning but never able to come to the simple truth in CHRIST .
We cannot be like unto them . I say we keep it simple and teach ONLY what WE DO KNOW and not what we THINK
we might know .

 

[Ziggy]

@amigo de christo
Friend,
I'm simply looking for the origens of Judas' calling.
He's guilty fine, I got that.
all are guilty and fall short of God's glory amen?
Judas was chosen. many are called but few are chosen.
So Judas is one of the few.
That's important.
I really like investigating into the historical and prophetic meanings of names and peoples and places.
Throughout the whole bible, peoples names are used to represent tribes or nations.
So my thinking is this..
Is the fate of Judas related to a fate of a certain people or a certain nation?
Kind of like Korah that got swallowed up in the ground for opposing Moses.
Korah is still mentioned throughout the Bible even in the Psalms. Names give historical context. As well as prophetic.

The opening post is a statement: Jesus died for Judas.
Well, I don't know, maybe, maybe not.
My first post was my mistake I totally went off topic and veered off course of which I am sorry I did that.
And I would like to change the OP from a statement to a question.
Did Jesus die for Judas?
Who does Judas represent?
Is Judas the serpent in the garden? could be, might not.. don't know till we go diggin.

I don't say this for you my friend, but if other people don't like to read my ramblings, there is a cure for that.
It's called blocking. And everyone has that power with the click of the mouse to do it if they so choose.
I'm not attacking a member, I'm not making this a personal challenge to anyone.
I'm simply following a "word study" and where it goes, it goes.

There are a lot of things people post on this forum that I don't necessarily agree with. I don't block them. I read, I listen.
If I have a different opinion I will share it, and other times I just don't reply at all. We all have those same choices.
There are a lot of things I learn from others who challenge my thoughts. I appreciate that, because it helps me to expand my thinking, and look at things from different angles.
I'm not fond of personal attacks and I try to avoid them as much as possible.
But I'll tell you this,
I won't be bullied. And I won't run away. If I don't have an answer I'll say so. I'm not afraid to admit that I don't know it all.
So that's why I truly enjoy picking up my pick and shovel and go looking for treasures that I haven't found yet.
Maybe I'm digging in the wrong place. Who knows? But I won't find out for myself unless I seek whatever it is I'm looking for.
Maybe other people already dug a ditch where I'm about to plow. In the end I'll find out and move onto other unfallowed ground.

I mean, does this sound reasonable or am I being difficult?
I just want to look for buried treasure. And if I find none then what harm have I caused?
If I find some, then by all means I have no problems sharing what I find.
Sometimes one verse will send another on an excavation of their own. I respect that.
anywhoo..
That's how I feel about that.

Who was Judas?
That's where I would like to begin. In the beginning.
Hugs

 

[Aunty Jane]

This is what YOU want the Bible to say, but Jesus' own words proves you are WRONG!

We shall see from Jesus' own words in Matthew 11:10 (also, Mark 1:1-3; Luke 7:27), that He makes a direct and unambiguous claim for Himself to be the Yahweh of the Old Testament. It must be noted, that this claim does not in any way deny that The Father and Holy Spirit are also Yahweh.

In the original words found in Malachi 3:1, where the Speaker is Yahweh. The Greek of Matthew 11:10 ( Mark 1:1-3; Luke 7:27), the words are neither from the Hebrew or Greek (LXX) of the passage in Malachi. Instead, The Lord Jesus Christ, on His own Authority, has changed the words, so that they refer directly to Himself, what is in Malachi, of Yahweh. Jesus has changed the first person, “before Me (μου)”, to the second person, “before thee (σου)”. In the passage in Malachi, Yahweh speaks of the “messenger”, who is John the Baptist, as His forerunner, “going before Him”. Jesus, by changing the pronoun, appropriates what Yahweh Speaks in Malachi, to Himself, and makes John the Baptist as His own “messenger”, who went before Him! In the passage in Malachi, we also have the Coming of the “the Messenger (Angel) of the Covenant”, Who is “the Lord ('âdôn) Whom you seek”, before Whom John the Baptist went to “prepare the Way”!

Matthew 3:3, and the other Gospels, also teaches that John the Baptist was the Forerunner of Yahweh, as in Jesus Christ, “God manifested in the flesh” (1 Timothy 3:16. Paul's words)

“For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare you the Way of the Lord, make His paths straight.”

In the original verse in Isaiah 40:3, it reads, “The voice of him that cries in the wilderness, Prepare you the Way of the LORD (Yahweh), make straight in the desert a highway for our God”

By using this passage in Isaiah for the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the Gospels, is beyond any doubt, one of the strongest evidences in Scripture, for the absolute Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ! Only those who doubt the Word of God, will doubt this about Jesus Christ.

Are you serious? That is a fine piece of scriptural tap dancing if ever I saw it.....but again you have provided no direct statement as to God or Christ admitting that there is a three in one “godhead” who all claim to be “God Yahweh”.

We have direct statements to the contrary....the apostles were in no doubt about who their “God” was, and acknowledged Jesus as their “Lord”. A ”Lord” is not necessarily a god, but a person in authority to be shown respect. The Bible has many addressed by this title.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6....
“For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.”

There is no ambiguity in that clear statement....so when you can provide a direct statement, without the scriptural gymnastics and the ambiguous verses into which you read your doctrine, you can say with certainty that your trinity exists.....but the Jews never believed that their God was three....(Deuteronomy 6:4) Since Jesus was Jewish, he would never have committed blasphemy by claiming to be God incarnate. Being “the son of God” does not make him deity. He has divine origins, but never did he claim to be equal to the one who “sent” him. The Holy Spirit is never once called “Yahweh” either. You have nothing but inference.

Jesus did not come to create a new religion, but to institute a new covenant with the same God, whom he identified as “the only true God” without including himself. (John 17:3) Those who saw through the corruption of the Pharisees would be introduced to this God as Christ represented him to them.....the same will be true of these “last days”...only those who see through the errors of Christendom’s teachings will enter the Kingdom of God...either as rulers and priests with Christ in heaven, (Revelation 20:6) or as their grateful subjects on earth. (Revelation 21:2-4) “Few” are on the road to life for a reason. (Matthew 7:13-14) The “wheat” and the “weeds” have nothing in common when the “reapers” arrive to clear “the field”. They have been separated completely.

There is no point in arguing since we will all find out the painful answer to that question at the end when Christ comes as judge....he will let us know if we have swallowed satanic lies or been told the truth....I can confidently let him do that. (Matthew 7:21-23) If you can too, then why is there a need to press the point? (John 6:65)

 

[Aunty Jane]

I mean, does this sound reasonable or am I being difficult?
I just want to look for buried treasure. And if I find none then what harm have I caused?
If I find some, then by all means I have no problems sharing what I find.
Sometimes one verse will send another on an excavation of their own. I respect that.
anywhoo..
That's how I feel about that.

I love the fact that you stand “shovel in hand” wanting to get to the truth and putting in the effort, but sometimes the diamonds or the gold nuggets are lying on or just under the surface.....digging too deep, or overthinking possibilities as @amigo de christo has said, will lead to confusion and rabbit holes that lead to no real answers.

Don’t forget that Jesus said we had to become “as young children”, (Matthew 18:2-3) so perhaps it’s the simplicity that escapes those who want it all to be unduly complicated.....it gives the scholars credibility when they can flex their knowledge and pretend that you need a college education to study and understand the Bible, when all they really study is their own invented, complicated and convoluted theology....and they can't even agree on much.
A young child is humble and teachable, not burdened down with their own pre-conceived ideas.

The K.I.S.S. principle works with the Bible’s basic narrative. It’s one story from beginning to end and we are living it....getting ever closer to the foretold conclusion, so time is of the essence as we see all these things taking place in fulfillment of Bible prophesy.

Who was Judas?
That's where I would like to begin. In the beginning.

The Bible does not discuss in detail the motives for Judas’ corrupt course, but an incident that occurred on Nisan 9, 33 C.E., five days before Jesus’ death, gives us a clear indication.
At Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, Lazarus’ sister Mary, anointed Jesus with perfumed oil worth 300 denarii, about a year’s wages for a laborer. (Matthew 20:2) Judas strongly objected that the oil could have been sold and the money “given to the poor people.” Evidently the other apostles merely agreed with what seemed to be a valid point, but Jesus rebuked them. Judas’ real reason for objecting was that he was in charge of the money box and he “was a thief . . . and used to carry off the monies” put in the box. So Judas was a greedy, practicing thief. (John 12:2-7; Matthew 26:6-12; Mark 14:3-8)
Maybe Judas was stung by Jesus' rebuke and his already warped thinking ability began to unravel even more.

He did not start out as a thief or a betrayer though. Jesus spent a whole night in prayer concerning the choosing of his apostles....so Judas was not predestined to betray Jesus, whose death was prophesied, but not details of the manner.

Jesus knew that a close associate would do the deed......I guess God left that part to satan, because the scriptures clearly say that “satan entered into Judas” to motivate him to do this evil thing. The other apostles were not aware of his defection or his acts of theft.
Satan saw some personal flaw in Judas and worked on it.....and it accomplished his goal. (James 1:13-15) If it hadn't been Judas, it would have been someone else because Jesus had to die as an innocent man. Satan would have seen to it some other way.

That is how I see the story.....

 

[Ziggy]

it gives the scholars credibility when they can flex their knowledge and pretend that you need a college education to study and understand the Bible,

Well, I actually got through the 6th grade public school educarion in Boston at the time Bussing was just beginning.
So Education wasn't that high on the list of the teachers as much as keeping the peace between the black and white students.
7th grade I pretty much skipped, hanging out on the subway trains learning to balance the with no hands while moving along the tracks.
I'd found a way to go from one end to the other without having to pay tokens. No constable ever came and told my parents, no teachers ever called. So I just balanced my way through 7 grade staying out of trouble the best I could. The other kids would tell me what I missed at school from time to time. This one got stabbed, this other one was thrown out a bathroom window. I figured I was safer on the subway after all.
8th grade I got myself into some trouble. Hanging with a new group of kids I hadn't grown up with. I got invited to a New Years Eve party where my friends mom provided the alcohol. I don't recall much of that night, but 4 months later I found out I was going to be a mom.
The public school system wasn't keen on mom's to be participating in class. They thought it might encourage other students to become a statistic as well. So they sent home schhol work which I didn't pay much attention to. I kind of had other things on my mind. Like cribs and diapers.
Sometime in my early 20's I went to the library and got a GED book and did some studying. I took the test and passed I think it was an 84?
I don't remember.
A few years later I decided to try out a community college. It was a Liberal Arts college. I didn't fit in with a lot of their philosophies.
Specially when it came to political science. If you weren't a Bill Clinton supporter, you didn't get a good grade. I got a C.
Anyways, it was a 2 year degree I was trying for, but after the first year work got busy so I was given the ultimatum of quitting school and working overtime, or finding a new job. So I quit school.
I really liked my job in the printing industry. I was a machine operator and also one of the partners, until it went bankrupt. Lousy CEO and poor management, they stole a lot of money from us. Things happen.
I was married and divorced, and then remarried to a long haul trucker, where I spent the next 10 years travelling the road and learning to read a map.
Now my edumacation comes from a keyboard and a monitor. I do the best with what I have. I have no complaints.
I think the Lord has done a pretty good job with this life seeing how many twists and turns and mistakes I've made with it.
I attest to the fact that I'm no scholar. I don't try to pretend to be.
Maybe all those years of not being schooled, I feel a need to fill up all that empty space with whatever the Lord tells me to seek.
So I pick up my pick and shovel, I say ok Lord, where we going today?
Yesterday was Judas, today is Chorazin. Who knows where I'll be headed tomorrow.
I'm just enjoying the ride. And I think I still have my balance pretty good. Mentally. Physically not so much.
I don't think I'll be riding a subway train anytime soon if ever.
But there's nothing in comparison to the ride the Lord gives me every day.

This is me. This is who I am.
Hugs

 

[Aunty Jane]

@Ziggy I never had much of a High School education myself, mostly because I think I am one of those 'late bloomers'. I just wasn't ready for the deep and meaningful things as a teen...but later I developed an appetite for spiritual things which led me to do a lot of research because I was one of those "why?" kids growing up. I didn't need really deep or meaningful answers, they just had to make logical sense and make the pieces I already had fit in with what I was learning. I was not equipped to do a lot of study on my own (no computers back then) so I consulted with those who made the most sense to me, and everything fell into place, like a jigsaw puzzle...I finally found out where all the pieces fit....

The churches never did make any sense to me, and I was tired of the hypocrisy TBH. Pompous men in robes and funny hats had nothing to teach me about Christ. They did not resemble him in any way....neither did the men with back to front collars.
Jesus said that the "wheat" were out there growing along with the "weeds", so I was determined to find them and have them teach me Bible truth.

I have found my answers and I am very satisfied with them.....
I wish the same for you....

 

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy I never had much of a High School education myself, mostly because I think I am one of those 'late bloomers'. I just wasn't ready for the deep and meaningful things as a teen...but later I developed an appetite for spiritual things which led me to do a lot of research because I was one of those "why?" kids growing up. I didn't need really deep or meaningful answers, they just had to make logical sense and make the pieces I already had fit in with what I was learning. I was not equipped to do a lot of study on my own (no computers back then) so I consulted with those who made the most sense to me, and everything fell into place, like a jigsaw puzzle...I finally found out where all the pieces fit....

The churches never did make any sense to me, and I was tired of the hypocrisy TBH. Pompous men in robes and funny hats had nothing to teach me about Christ. They did not resemble him in any way....neither did the men with back to front collars.
Jesus said that the "wheat" were out there growing along with the "weeds", so I was determined to find them and have them teach me Bible truth.

I have found my answers and I am very satisfied with them.....
I wish the same for you....

The first book of the bible I ever read was Revelation. Prophecy has always been my focus. Prophecy runs forwards and backwards. And it always rhymes. There is so much happening in the world right now, what a time to be alive.
But I also know there is a lot of dangerous deceptions at every turn. And they are subliminal. Most everything is hidden in plain sight, you just have to know what your looking for.
Let me say this right up front. The Bible is truth. Period.
I will also say, there are a lot of deceptions going on in the bible. The bible is not in itself deceptive, but you can see the manipulations, the things nations do to each other, how they stab each other in the back. God shows everything for what it is in his word. He holds nothing back.
Most people like to read the bible with rose colored glasses, and that's good if it helps your faith and helps you grow.
I'm usually looking for that guy who is wreaking havok and moving people away from God.
I point out certain scriptures and people think I'm trying to do that, but it's not me, it's what's written in the bible.
Satan is as much a co-writer as God is the Author. It's hard to explain.
The Bible contains both wheat and tares and God puts the tares in the bible so we can learn what to watch out for.
The craftiness, the subtilty, the persuasion of trying to move you emotionally in one direction or another.
The difference between the OT and the NT are like night and day. And yet they both have deceptions and distractions, which is truth about human nature and evil itself.
Some days I'm led to look at everything in the most positive light. Other days I see a lot of negativity and darkness.
I see the duality of the nature of man and how he is easily manipulated to act certain ways.
I have always questioned, how could Israel who had God with them all throughout history keep getting seduced into following after other gods?
What was the attraction? How were they pulled away?
And by studying how they were influenced I could see the same things working in the world around me.
I see spiritual wickedness and it's control right now over the world. I'm sure many can sense it. But I can see the pull and tug.
I looked into the depths of hell and it's frightful. The absolute abomination of the darkest souls.
I swear they aren't human. I tell my dad all the time, demons are running the world.
I'm not afraid to look at things face to face. I know Jesus got me. And he won't send me anywhere he don't think I can handle.
The bible gives kind of an overview of the nature of man. It touches on the fringes.
Take for example the Hebrews in Egypt being beaten and tormented as slaves. We read the story, but I can see the images. I can feel the pain and suffering. I can put myself in their shoes. I know what empathy is.
Sometimes my posts are kind of out there because the combination of what is written back then and what is happening now becomes indistinguishable to me.
Watchers... who are the watchers and what is their function, what is their responsibilty?
They are there to sound the alarm. The enemy is at the gates! What does the enemy look like?
Mind control, propaganda, manipulating emotions, causing you to believe things that are false and yet so convincing, subliminal.
It's not black and white like stealing or lying or adultery, it's what cause one to do those things.
The unseen enemy.
This is that entity that entered Judas. It messed with his mind. It manipulates nations. This war right now with Russia and Ukraine, the devil has his hands all over it.
And yet God is in control. He already forewarned us. We should be watching and noticing the enemies moves and countering them with faith and prayer at every turn. We are in a critical time. Many souls will be lost, and many also will be found.
Watch therefore...
If the goodman had known in what ...
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

His house is the church, it is christians, it is us. And the enemy is trying to break up the house, divided we fall.
And he uses religion itself to divide us. He uses the things we have in common, the very morals we base our christian walk on against us.
He turns us against each other, at a time when we need to be united and strong.

ah I'm rambling again...
sometimes I get carried away.. literally.
sorry
Hugs

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Lamb who is sacrificed is innocent, but the one who sacrifices the lamb is "as if he cut off a dog's neck".
Drinking blood is iniquity, eating flesh is iniquity, sacrificing a lamb is iniquity.

The true sacrifice is in the heart:

For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

WE don't "sacrifice" the Lamb.

The sacrifice offered at eag mass is is a re-presentation of the SAME sacrifice offered at Calvcary.
It is an ETERNAL sacrificem per Rev. 13:8.

So, wuther you're really ignorant - or really dishonest.
Take your pick . . .