Jesus Christ the “Ransom for All”

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We find in 1 Timothy 2:5, 6: “The man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” What does ransom mean? The Greek term for ransom is antilutron, which Dr. Young defines as “a corresponding price.” One perfect man served as a substitute for Adam, the perfect man, who lost his life and the lives of humanity with him. However, early Church leaders misunderstood the true meaning of ransom. This misunderstanding led to exaggerated claims about Christ. Anything less than declaring Jesus as God was seen as disrespectful.

For the sake of discussion, let’s accept the idea that Christ is God, a claim he and the Scriptures do not support. If we agree that he was God and that God died for us, we must ask: How can an immortal God die?

Did the Absolute God die? The creeds states that Christ was “very man.” So, calling God “Christ” gives them a name, but not a true Christ. It was the “very man” Christ who died. Regardless of how they explain it, they only have a “very man” who died. So, how could “very God” die? God is eternal and cannot die; only a physical body can die. In the end, they are left with just a perfect “human sacrifice.” That is precisely what we believe and assert.

Dr. Adam Clark, a Trinitarian, explains a Trinitarian, says, “Two natures must ever be dis tinguished in Christ: the human nature, in reference to which he is the Son of God and inferior to him, and the Divine nature which was from eternity, and equal to God.” He argues “To say that he [Christ] was begotten from all eternity, is, in my opinion, absurd; and the phrase eternal Son is a positive self-contradiction. ETERNITY is that which has had no beginning, nor stands in any reference to TIME. SON supposes time, generation, and father.” This means there is no infinite sacrifice, as it was the lesser Son who died. So, where is the infinite sacrifice of God?

Trinitarians face a challenge in their belief that the entire Trinity died on the cross. They claim that Jesus is both fully God and fully man, but they need to prove that both aspects died on the cross. The Bible does not support this idea. Many theologians have tried to explain what is not clearly mentioned in Scripture. Did Jesus ever say he would sacrifice his body and divinity for humanity? No, he stated, “The bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world” (John 6:51). If he gave his flesh, could he take it back? What would happen to the ransom if it was reclaimed after being given?

Dr. Adam Clark interprets Psalm 8:5 as saying, “You have made him a little lower than God.” He connects this to Hebrews 2:7, applying it to Jesus, stating, “For a little while, he was made lower than the angels so that he could experience death.” If Dr. Clark is correct, then Jesus is seen as less than God or lower than the angels. This raises a logical issue: how can he be “less than God” and still be the Absolute God?
Hi Berean,
I recall that you are one of the "Bible Students" ? They are the original Charles Taze Russell followers who was 1st president of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
After Charles T Russell died , crazed Joe Rutherford took over rather nastily, and he is responsible for much of the swerved teachings of what are called the Jehovah's Witnesses today.
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So my Q for you is, do you write for the Herald Magazine? I ask because your OP and replies are identical to this.


 

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People might be more upset when the wages are handed out according to Jesus. As in one of His parables of the laborers for example.

Yes to be together in person with Jesus and Father will be the greatest treasure.

Yet Jesus commanded,
Mat 6:19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
I do not think anyone will be upset when we ar in heaven. We will have been perfected, glorified and stand in His glorious presence! People will fully know the4y have what they have been given by grace and mercy.
 

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Hi Berean,
I recall that you are one of the "Bible Students" ? They are the original Charles Taze Russell followers who was 1st president of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
After Charles T Russell died , crazed Joe Rutherford took over rather nastily, and he is responsible for much of the swerved teachings of what are called the Jehovah's Witnesses today.
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So my Q for you is, do you write for the Herald Magazine? I ask because your OP and replies are identical to this.


I was at one time one of the Board of Directors of the Pastoral Bible Institute, Inc. founded in 1918 and served on their Editorial Committee for a number of years, approving and writing articles for them. I have since resigned.

One thing to keep in mind, Bible Students do not have a Governing Body or a committee that dictates to them what to believe. Organizations like the PBI, the Dawn and other groups, are simply publishing houses that publish books, booklets, tracts, magazines and newsletters for the various ecclesias (congregations) to use in their public witness efforts. Often-times, independent ecclesias publish their own literature with their name on it, such as Chicago Bible Students, Bible Students Congregation of New Brunswick, Associated Bible Students. Often times, the various literature is distributed by various groups and individuals. For instance, Dawn literature can be found on the Chicago Bible Students website. The PBI also distributes literature published by other Bible Student groups. The booklet in question, the Doctrine of Christ was published by a group in Columbus, Ohio and can be found on various Bible Student sites such as Bible Students Ministries e-books
 

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I was at one time one of the Board of Directors of the Pastoral Bible Institute, Inc. founded in 1918 and served on their Editorial Committee for a number of years, approving and writing articles for them. I have since resigned.

One thing to keep in mind, Bible Students do not have a Governing Body or a committee that dictates to them what to believe. Organizations like the PBI, the Dawn and other groups, are simply publishing houses that publish books, booklets, tracts, magazines and newsletters for the various ecclesias (congregations) to use in their public witness efforts. Often-times, independent ecclesias publish their own literature with their name on it, such as Chicago Bible Students, Bible Students Congregation of New Brunswick, Associated Bible Students. Often times, the various literature is distributed by various groups and individuals. For instance, Dawn literature can be found on the Chicago Bible Students website. The PBI also distributes literature published by other Bible Student groups. The booklet in question, the Doctrine of Christ was published by a group in Columbus, Ohio and can be found on various Bible Student sites such as Bible Students Ministries e-books
I see. Ok thanks. well maybe next time cite your source in your OP?
 

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I do not think anyone will be upset when we ar in heaven. We will have been perfected, glorified and stand in His glorious presence! People will fully know the4y have what they have been given by grace and mercy.
You are probably right. So let's build up treasure in heaven while it is day, while we can. Because once we die it seems that's it. Unless we get a rewarded (a kickback) from those we served who live on after us. Would God be that generous?

If that's the case then what we do in this life is benefiting those who served us, led us to Christ built us up in our holy faith.