Would you consider this linked five-question examination of a 10-year-old child and share your thoughts on it with me?
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Jesus asks us to be humble, not a "born again" snob
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Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome.
What would you say to this child if you were ever to meet her and she asked why you don’t self-identify as “Christian”?
If you would answer the five questions the same way that she did, why would you not self-identify as MacArthur identifies her? Are the questions asked and the answers given not sufficient to make the identification?
Could she persuade you to change your mind? Could MacArthur persuade you to change your mind?
I’m not trying to talk you out of your decision - I respect it - but are you sure this is really what you want to do? Are you satisfied, after taking time to reflect on it, that you’ve done it for the right reason?
quietthinker
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The expression 'born again' has been hijacked. The 'religious' up to their old tricks, have ensured it has morphed, becoming a 'trip' and well meaning people are repeating the distortions.
As an example, if I say to a man who is getting thinner by the day, you have to eat, and an enthusiastic know-it-all comes along and prattles, 'you have to eat, you have to eat, you have to eat,' to the point of 'distraction', you have a phenomena grown out of ignorant stupidity....if not more.
That is what the situation was with the slave girl following Paul calling out incessantly.....
(Acts 16:17) 'This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation!”
What did Paul do?
Eternal torment for not believing something. Are you really suggesting that human beings have a higher code of ethics than God? We used to burn people alive for all sorts of stupid reasons. Then we realized it was morally reprehensible and stopped doing it.
Eternal punishments for finite crimes. Only a human mind would invent such a concept. So many of you people do not worship Jesus. You worship the bible. A book written by human beings that didn't even know that dinosaurs existed, or that the earth was round. Let alone that an entire universe exists and that we're not at the center of it.
My goodness. I mean, just think about it realistically for a moment. Let's assume hell is real. How will you ever be happy in heaven knowing that your loved ones that were not saved are being tortured there forever? Oh, look, kids. There's mommy being tortured in hell for the 1 billionth time. If only there was an all-powerful God that could save her by pulling her out... ... ...
... ... ...
Oh, well. What can you do? Lol.
quietthinker
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The hell of popular christianity is the invention of an evil mind, not a loving God.
There is a hell and it is the creation of wicked creatures who will one day be destroyed by their own creation.
Dan Clarkston
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That's the message demons keep trying to get people to believe in opposition to what Jesus said.
Those that teach Jesus lied to us in His Word concerning hell gonna be shocked to end up there as calling Jesus a liar and teaching others that Jesus is a liar does not end well at all.
Well, Jesus taught one must be born again in order to enter in to God's Kingdom.
Would it be OK with you if I just go with what Jesus taught?
That's what I'm going to do anyway...
Dan Clarkston
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So Jesus lied to us about hell???
Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment
Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Are there any other things Jesus lied about that we need to be aware of?
quietthinker
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In both your replies #26 and #27 Dan, you draw conclusions without adequate information.
What information is missing or inadequate you might ask? Yes, you might ask but so far you haven't. I have no interest in going into an explanation without an enquiry.......so, for your own knowledge, make enquiries rather than justifications.
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Rockerduck
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Jesus said repent (Accept Jesus as Savior) or perish many times. John 3:16 for instance.
In Luke 13:1-5 - About this time Jesus was informed that Pilate had murdered some people from Galilee as they were offering sacrifices at the Temple. 2 “Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered? 3 Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. 4 And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? 5 No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”
In Luke 13:1-5 - About this time Jesus was informed that Pilate had murdered some people from Galilee as they were offering sacrifices at the Temple. 2 “Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered? 3 Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. 4 And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? 5 No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”
Dan Clarkston
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WHY would anybody want to inquire from those who claim Jesus is a liar?
We have the Word of the Lord on it, so opposing viewpoints that do
not agree with the Lord.... ultimately come from the devil.
quietthinker
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You are not obliged to make enquiry from those who claim Jesus is a liar but you are obligated to enquire about your own process/ skills of drawing conclusions.....if discovering truth is of any importance to you.
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Dan,
In one verse the KJV says that some people go away into forever punishment. Another KJV verse says that Jesus IS the savior of ALL people. The KJV contradicts ITSELF. So which verse is correct and which verse was mistranslated?
Matthew 25:41 King James Bible
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
1 Timothy 4:10 King James Bible
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Dan Clarkston
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I already found Truth... and the Teacher too!
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
You should get hooked up with Truth and The Teacher.... and accept what Jesus said about hell.
Those that actually have the Holy Ghost and allow Him to lead them in to all Truth... know that Jesus went to the Cross for ALL people meaning salvation has been purchased for everyone.
But, some refuse to accept the call to salvation and and go away into forever punishment
Jesus explains it this way...
Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Then, Jesus teaches us more about this thru the Apostle Paul
2 Corinthians 4:4
the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Folks that don't accept all of what God's Word says end up with funky cold medina doctrine!
quietthinker
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You don't know what you don't know Dan.I already found Truth... and the Teacher too!
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
You should get hooked up with Truth and The Teacher.... and accept what Jesus said about hell.
To think/ believe what you know or HOW you understand is all there is to be known or HOW to understand, only does oneself a disservice. Jesus counsels us....
Luke 8:18
Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
In other words, the 'radar' needs to be active and scanning at all times.
Dan Clarkston
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Your "radar" must be in need of a firmware upgrade... seems there is a virus running around in your system
No demons are required. It is my belief that imposing eternal punishments for finite crimes is evil. It's very much something a human being would dream up in order to scare people. Just look at Islam. They also use the concept of hell to keep people in line.
The thing is, it doesn't sound like something an all powerful God would do to his own creation, that he claims to love no less.
amigo de christo
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to repent and believe . That aint what interfaith leaders teach .
They say all religoins know God . That all religoins serve the same God in different ways .
COURSE that is ANTI CHRIST and its why i warn against that enterdeath so often .
Cause so many are being influenced by it and many have already entered into that covenant of death .
Dan Clarkston
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Yeah, lots of folks who listen to the devil claim Jesus is evil.
Jesus told us of mass deception in the end times and He was right!
Nothing like a quote from that false teacher... Voddie Baucham
He's a calvinist that believes God is the one deciding that only a few people will be accepted so when snotty Voddie says "repent and believe" he is lying and is not telling people what he actually believes... because he's a liar
Yep... welcome to the mass deception of the end timers!
Marvelloustime
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