Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false
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Spiritual Israelite
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Jeremiah 31:31-34 is quoted in full in Hebrews 8:8-12. Isaiah 59:20-21 also refers to the new covenant and is quoted by Paul in Romans 11:26-27.
CadyandZoe
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I know you are. But Jeremiah is not talking about the Israelites in general. He is talking about the nation of Israel.
Jeremiah is talking about corporate salvation.
CadyandZoe
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Jeremiah is talking about a corporate experience where they all receive Christ.
No. Jeremiah's prophecy is multifaceted. Only one of the facets has been fulfilled. That is, the cross of Christ is the forgiveness of sins for all those who believe, whether Jew or Gentile. Jeremiah predicts that every Israelite citizen will "know the Lord".
CadyandZoe
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Ezekiel 36:24-28 is about the new covenant
[Eze 36:24 KJV] 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
[Eze 36:28 KJV] 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel says the new covenant wont be until Israel is in all their promised land
Spiritual Israelite
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He's talking about Israelite believers in particular.
There is no such thing. Salvation comes about by way of an individual repenting of his or her sins and placing his or her faith in Jesus Christ as his or her personal Lord and Savior.
Spiritual Israelite
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You really need to read the New Testament and allow it to shed light on the Old Testament prophecies for you. It is very clear to me that you have never read it carefully before, if you have even read it at all.
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Spiritual Israelite
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Do all Israelites who receive Christ today, or have received Christ in the past, "know the Lord"?
Jews were scattered .....those dwelling in Jerusalem does not fulfill Israel being in all the promised land if that what you are saying
Spiritual Israelite
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It fulfilled the prophecy. You have a very carnal way of looking at scripture and you clearly use only flawed human wisdom and your own understanding to understand it, but it must be spiritually discerned.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
CadyandZoe
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People often confuse Jeremiah 31 with the New Covenant. In reality, Jeremiah 31 is a covenant contained in a promise. The promise is made to the House of Judah and the House of Israel, representing both the northern and southern tribes. The promise is that they will not teach each man and his neighbor "Know the Lord" because they will all know him. That promise has never been fulfilled.
No one changed water into wine before Jesus did it. The fact that Jesus did it means that there is such a thing as a miracle. Changing an entire nation into people who know the Lord will be a miracle.
Granted. Each of them will do that.
CadyandZoe
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Your view does not come from the Jeremiah passage. Unfortunately, you are reading it through supersessionist lenses.
CadyandZoe
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Yes, of course. Nonetheless, Jeremiah speaks of God's promise to Israel that every person in Israel will receive Christ Jesus at a particular point in time.
Spiritual Israelite
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I can't even believe you said this. How can you act as if Jeremiah 31 isn't related to the new covenant when Hebrews 8:6-13 explicitly applies Jeremiah 31:31-34 (quoted in Hebrews 8:8-12) to the new covenant?
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The author of Hebrews related Jeremiah 31:31-34 to the new covenant. You say it's not related to the new covenant. Who should I believe? I'll go with the authors of scripture over you every time.
Let's talk about this. Do you know that God is not a respecter of persons? Which means He does not show favoritism in relation to salvation because of one's nationality? That is what Peter indicated here...
(KJV) Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
(NIV) Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.
So, keeping in mind that God does not show favoritism in relation to salvation, why would you think He would miraculously save all people in one nation one day purely because of their nationality? You are contradicting the character of God with that belief and making Him out to be a respecter of persons.
Spiritual Israelite
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It comes from the NT scripture that sheds light on the Jeremiah passage, but I know you don't believe that the NT sheds light on the OT, so you're not going to understand that.
All Israelites past, present, and future who receive Christ know the Lord, and receive His New Covenant.
That fulfills Hebrews 8.
Let's examine your Israel. What identifies them?
OT Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles throughout its history, so what identifies Israel is not ethnicity.
So what identifies them?
amigo de christo
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Believe you me my friend i am like a fat kid who upon entering a store saw all the candy he could and
signs saying FREE for all . WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE COMING OF THE LORD and being forever with HIIM .
THERE JUST aint no home , LIKE HOME .
When i view most all of christendom all i get is vexation and sorrow of spirit , deep weeping
for souls that have no idea what they have lost and that they themselves are LOST .
ALL i see is twisters of HIS WORDS to suit whatever tickles their ear .
I SEE SO FEW , SO few who truly LOVE the LORD anymore david . THIS is not an accusation
its a fact that has brought tears to me eyes more than once .
SO allow me some parting words .
IF A MAN DOES NOT LOVE THE TRUTH , THEN that man DOES NOT LOVE HE WHO IS THE TRUTH .
and by golly EVER WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH and it our meat . I STAND on that david .
I DO . IF a man claims to love JESUS and yet sure seems to omit THINGS HE said
and heeds lies and men who twists such words , THEN THAT MAN IS DECEIVED and has DECIEVED HIMSELF
and DOES NOT KNOW , OR LOVE GOD OR HIS CHRIST .
For if we cannot love THE TRUTH
OF the lovely words HE inspired , , then who are we really been loving all along .
GOD aint the author of a lie . GOD aint in the business of twisting and omitting his own words
To lie . BUT THE DEVIL SURE IS . and men are trapped in the bondage of sin and
in total darkness and yet say WE SEE THE LIGHT , we LOVE GOD , WE LOVE HIS CHRIST . but they love LIES
and flesh pleasing things . I say it and call it like it is david . Not because i hate anyone
but because someone has got to do something to wake this people UP . we gots wolves all over christendom .
DO you ever wonder WHY its so hard to find a church . DO you ever wonder why
People are so fast to accuse and to attack you when you bring truth that exposes their sin .
THIS THE APOSETLS WOULD NOT have done . THIS PEOPLE IS DECIEvED david .
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