Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you honestly believe that evangelism is no longer necessary?

In no way, shape or form am I saying that. You just proved what I said. I said you can't understand spiritual things and that's why you can't understand what I'm saying which comes from scripture. Where did I say anything about evangelism no longer being necessary? Nowhere. I'm talking about what is the case after someone becomes born again/saved, not before they become born again/saved. Once someone becomes saved, the Holy Spirit is dwelling in them and teaching them and no one needs to tell you about the Lord since the Holy Spirit is teaching you at that point.

It's YOU who thinks that Jeremiah is talking about a time when evangelism would no longer be necessary, not me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Quite right. But Jeremiah is predicting a time when it will no longer be taught, "Know the Lord." The Holy Spirit is currently teaching "Know the Lord."

Read the text more carefully. It's talking about PEOPLE teaching you to "know the Lord". But, when you have the Holy Spirit in you, then you don't need PEOPLE to teach you that anymore since the Holy Spirit is teaching you.

With that said, don't confuse this with me saying that no one has the spiritual gift of teaching that comes from the Holy Spirit. Some do. The Holy Spirit can either teach you directly or He can teach you through someone who He has given the gift of teaching.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Do you agree that you deny the Blood of Christ's New Covenant for what you claim is unfulfilled?

I told you. Jesus' blood is the basis of the New Covenant. Why would you ask me if the New Covenant was fulfilled? Everyone knows that someone must believe in Jesus Christ for the cross to be effective for that person. It will become effective for Israel in the future.

 

[CadyandZoe]

In no way, shape or form am I saying that.

Then why do you disagree with me. What is your objection.

You just proved what I said. I said you can't understand spiritual things and that's why you can't understand what I'm saying which comes from scripture.

This is nothing but sophistry. It is you who can't understand spiritual things.

Where did I say anything about evangelism no longer being necessary? Nowhere.

I argued that since Jeremiah predicts that evangelism will be unnecessary, and it remains necessary, then Jeremiah 31:33-34 hasn't been fulfilled. Understand yet. Do I need to speak slower? Are you lacking spiritual discernment?

I'm talking about what is the case after someone becomes born again/saved, not before they become born again/saved. Once someone becomes saved, the Holy Spirit is dwelling in them and teaching them and no one needs to tell you about the Lord since the Holy Spirit is teaching you at that point.

Of course, but you missed the point again, which is typical of someone like you who is stuck on an idea he can't defend. You simply don't understand what Jeremiah said because you won't allow yourself to accept what he said, lest you are compelled to admit that you were duped.

It's YOU who thinks that Jeremiah is talking about a time when evangelism would no longer be necessary, not me.

Yes, that's right. And you disagree with me. Get it?! Keep up, will you? Maybe your eyes are getting weak. I'll increase the font size.

Jeremiah 31:34 They will not teach again . . .

for they will all know Me

At that time, every living survivor in Israel will know the Lord.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then why do you disagree with me. What is your objection.

I have already explained that and you still don't get it. What else can I do? I have nothing to add to what I've already said, so if you can't understand what I'm saying then we just have to agree to disagree.

I argued that since Jeremiah predicts that evangelism will be unnecessary,

That's where you go wrong. He's not talking about that. He's talking about what is the case for believers who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

and it remains necessary, then Jeremiah 31:33-34 hasn't been fulfilled. Understand yet. Do I need to speak slower? Are you lacking spiritual discernment?

I think I made it clear that you are the one lacking in spiritual discernment. You can't even discern the fundamental Christian belief that Jesus Christ is deity.

Of course, but you missed the point again, which is typical of someone like you who is stuck on an idea he can't defend.

Says the guy who not once has ever convincingly defended anything he believes.

You simply don't understand what Jeremiah said because you won't allow yourself to accept what he said, lest you are compelled to admit that you were duped.

That's how I feel about you. Should we keep going round and round insulting each other or just agree to disagree? Do you have anything to add that you haven't already said? I don't.

Yes, that's right. And you disagree with me. Get it?! Keep up, will you? Maybe your eyes are getting weak. I'll increase the font size.

Jeremiah 31:34 They will not teach again . . .

Do those with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them ever again need to be taught by others to know the Lord? No. So, you are the one who is not keeping up.

for they will all know Me

Do those who have the Holy Spirit in them not ALL know Him? Come on, buddy. Catch up. You're way behind.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I told you. Jesus' blood is the basis of the New Covenant. Why would you ask me if the New Covenant was fulfilled? Everyone knows that someone must believe in Jesus Christ for the cross to be effective for that person. It will become effective for Israel in the future.

Are you suggesting that the blood of Christ has not been effective for Israel for the past almost 2,000 years?

 

[David in NJ]

They cant always be equivalent

Matthew 26:28 NKJV “For this is My blood of the new[fn] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

If its new covenant then why would not think this verse would apply to them.....[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

This verse only applies to future Israel

The New Covenant was prophesied in Genesis, Jeremiah and Isaiah and was Fulfilled by the LORD Jesus Christ = Gospel

The New Covenant was first to Israel of the flesh (they rejected it) and also to the Gentiles.

 

[covenantee]

I told you. Jesus' blood is the basis of the New Covenant. Why would you ask me if the New Covenant was fulfilled? Everyone knows that someone must believe in Jesus Christ for the cross to be effective for that person. It will become effective for Israel in the future.

It was effective for 3,000 Israelites on the Day of Pentecost, and for every Israelite since who has received it.

Putting the lie to your "It will become effective for Israel in the future."

You should consult with these Jews about the New Covenant.

Tell them that they've never received it.

Then tell us what they say about that.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That's where you go wrong. He's not talking about that. He's talking about what is the case for believers who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

I understand that. However, Jeremiah explicitly states that "No man will teach... They shall all know Me." In this passage, the prophet is conveying to Israel that God will bring about a time in the future when every person in Israel will know the Lord. This condition will, of course, involve the Holy Spirit dwelling within them.

I think I made it clear that you are the one lacking in spiritual discernment. You can't even discern the fundamental Christian belief that Jesus Christ is deity.

I know. These kinds of statements are indicative of deflection and projection, when a person is confronted with a good argument that causes them to doubt their own position.

Says the guy who not once has ever convincingly defended anything he believes.

Deflection again.

That's how I feel about you. Should we keep going round and round insulting each other or just agree to disagree? Do you have anything to add that you haven't already said? I don't.

Giving up.

Do those with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them ever again need to be taught by others to know the Lord? No. So, you are the one who is not keeping up.

You missed the essential aspect again. Jeremiah's prediction involves "each man and his neighbor."

 

[CadyandZoe]

Are you suggesting that the blood of Christ has not been effective for Israel for the past almost 2,000 years?

Israel didn't exist until 1948.

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul's teaching on the NEW COVENANT to the Corinthian gentiles, is also for the gentiles, as in for all believers in Christ.
It is also known as the ministry of the Spirit (NC), ministry of righteousness (NC), versus the ministry of condemnation (OC) and ministry of death (OC).

We all should know Paul generally ministered towards the gentiles.

2 Corinthians 3

4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the [a]Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Glory of the New Covenant​

7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as [b]by the Spirit of the Lord.

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v18 is the end result of our being in the New Covenant of the ministry of the Spirit of God.
I predict the same deadness of heart of some to continue as always happens with false doctrines. Unless the Lord opens the heart and breathes understanding, they remain hardened.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It was effective for 3,000 Israelites on the Day of Pentecost, and for every Israelite since who has received it.

Yes, of course, it was effective for some of the Israelites. Jeremiah is predicting a day when the Holy Spirit will indwell the entire nation after ungodliness has been removed from Jacob.

 

[Scott Downey]

Galatians 3 contrasts the LAW (OC) versus Faith (NC) as Jesus tells people their faith has saved them. As in faith in Christ.
There was no law given which could give life.

Galatians 3
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 8:6
But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Hebrews 9:15
And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

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O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you [a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed [b]among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so [c]many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

The Law Brings a Curse​

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The New Covenant was prophesied in Genesis, Jeremiah and Isaiah and was Fulfilled by the LORD Jesus Christ = Gospel

The New Covenant was first to Israel of the flesh (they rejected it) and also to the Gentiles.

The New Covenant contains many parts. One such part is the forgiveness of sins as seen in the bold text below.

Jeremiah 31:34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

The New Testament reveals the profound truth that Jesus Christ willingly sacrificed Himself on the cross, serving as a means for the forgiveness of sins. This act of love and redemption was not limited to the Jewish people alone; rather, it was a universal gift extended to all humanity, inviting everyone to partake in the grace and mercy offered through His sacrifice.

Nonetheless, the portion in italics reveals another day when God will remove ungodliness from Jacob and every Israelite living in Israel will know the Lord.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jeremiah predicts a time when Evangelism will no longer be necessary. Most Christians, including Paul, believe that Evangelism remains essential. Therefore, your argument leads to an absurd conclusion.

you do realize that what JEREMIAH was saying , was DUE TO THE HOLY GHOST would be shed upon the heart of the BELEIVER .
In other words , we no longer have to run to a prophet for a word from the LORD
we dont have to run to the priests to hear from GOD .
WE ARE TAUGHT OF HIM NOW by THE HOLY GHOST .
And when john was writing
that ye have no need that one teaches you
Lets read the whole of it .
HE is implying one who is NOT of the SPIRIT teaching you .
Not saying there will be NO teachers in the churches .
But that we ought not to heed men WHO teach contrary , who have NOT the SPIRIT .
read it again real slowly .
SOme take this to mean the wrong things . THE HOLY GHOST IS teaching us believers .
And that was what JEREMIAH was talking about THAT WAS TO COME .
AND IT SURE DID , ONTHE DAY of pentecost . TOO many fall for things like latter rain stuff
and often read the old test and put the emphasis on PHYSICAL TEMPLE
WHEN IT TOO often spoke of in places , THE TRUE SPIRITUAL ONE .
Though in many places it also spoke of the physcial temple.
EVEN in amos they mess things up . THEY beleive he was speaking of rebuilding the PHYSICAL TEMPLE .
IF SO WHY did James use that prhase from amos
TO TALK about THE HEAVENLY , about the gentiles being grafted in as well . Many are learning things
from men who have twisted stuff . But if we all slow down
and get into the bible for ourselves , Things will clear up IN TIME .

 

[covenantee]

Yes, of course, it was effective for some of the Israelites. Jeremiah is predicting a day when the Holy Spirit will indwell the entire nation after ungodliness has been removed from Jacob.

So you agree that it is fulfilled for all Israelites who received and receive Christ.

Haven't you been telling us that it's not fulfilled for any Israelites until it's fulfilled for the entire nation?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Israel didn't exist until 1948.

I'm talking about Israelites in general. Those who descend from the ancient nation of Israel. We're talking about something relating to salvation, which is an individual thing and not a corporate or national thing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes, of course, it was effective for some of the Israelites. Jeremiah is predicting a day when the Holy Spirit will indwell the entire nation after ungodliness has been removed from Jacob.

It is effective for all who believe in Christ and that was what Jeremiah was predicting. You are completely misunderstanding the prophecy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you agree that it is fulfilled for all Israelites who received and receive Christ.

Haven't you been telling us that it's not fulfilled for any Israelites until it's fulfilled for the entire nation?

Yes, that is exactly what he has been telling us. That's what saying "It will become effective for Israel in the future." implies. He's so confused.

 

[David in NJ]

you do realize that what JEREMIAH was saying , was DUE TO THE HOLY GHOST would be shed upon the heart of the BELEIVER .
In other words , we no longer have to run to a prophet for a word from the LORD
we dont have to run to the priests to hear from GOD .
WE ARE TAUGHT OF HIM NOW by THE HOLY GHOST .
And when john was writing
that ye have no need that one teaches you
Lets read the whole of it .
HE is implying one who is NOT of the SPIRIT teaching you .
Not saying there will be NO teachers in the churches .
But that we ought not to heed men WHO teach contrary , who have NOT the SPIRIT .
read it again real slowly .
SOme take this to mean the wrong things . THE HOLY GHOST IS teaching us believers .
And that was what JEREMIAH was talking about THAT WAS TO COME .
AND IT SURE DID , ONTHE DAY of pentecost . TOO many fall for things like latter rain stuff
and often read the old test and put the emphasis on PHYSICAL TEMPLE
WHEN IT TOO often spoke of in places , THE TRUE SPIRITUAL ONE .
Though in many places it also spoke of the physcial temple.
EVEN in amos they mess things up . THEY beleive he was speaking of rebuilding the PHYSICAL TEMPLE .
IF SO WHY did James use that prhase from amos
TO TALK about THE HEAVENLY , about the gentiles being grafted in as well . Many are learning things
from men who have twisted stuff . But if we all slow down
and get into the bible for ourselves , Things will clear up IN TIME .

Which is the down payment of our Inheritance in MESSIAH = More GLORY to Come!!!