Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[covenantee]

Of course, why repeat a point that I conceded? Why not look at the Jeremiah passage objectively? The text in bold below has not been fulfilled.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”​

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When was it ever said that teaching about the Lord would cease because everyone already knew him?

Why not accept Hebrews 8:6-13?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes. I very much appreciate your thoughtful answers. This is how I learn.

I wouldn’t take that as a given. The disciples' unease stemmed from Jesus' alarming proclamation about the imminent destruction of the temple. Their distress was rooted in an unspoken belief that Jesus was destined to assume the role of the King of Israel in the future. They were left pondering a critical question: how could Jesus make his grand ceremonial entry if the temple, a symbol of their faith and religious center, was to be laid to ruin?

In Roman culture, "the Parousia" referred to the ceremonial arrival of an emperor or high-ranking official to a city. This event was marked by grand celebrations, including processions, speeches, and public festivities, symbolizing the ruler's authority and connection with the people.

As Jesus foretold the destruction of the temple, his followers were filled with curiosity and anxiety. They sought clarity about the nature of the upcoming celebration, particularly because his remarks implied that the prophets’ traditional views on this significant event might be flawed. This left them pondering how the celebration would unfold in light of such profound predictions.



How does the Olivet discourse rule out my perspective?

I don't see it that way. Jesus is describing the ending of the age, which includes the Jewish wars of AD70, other wars and rumors of wars, the tribulation period, the rebirth of the nation, the sign of the son of man, changes in the celestial bodies, persecution and destruction of Israel, and finally the Parousia of the Lord.


No, quite the opposite. Jesus gently corrects his disciples, steering them away from the misconception that his second coming, or Parousia, would occur simultaneously with the world's end. He cautions them against their eagerness for him to seize power without delay, stressing with great emphasis that his return would not happen anytime soon. He forewarns of tumultuous times ahead—wars would rage, the sacred temple would face destruction, and a protracted period of tribulation would unfold before his glorious return.


In the Gospel of Matthew, specifically in chapter 13, Jesus discusses a significant time known elsewhere as the Millennial period, which is also referred to as the "day of the Lord." This extraordinary era marks the reign of God as King over the entire earth, a rule established through His Son, Jesus Christ. The initiation of this divine period begins with a profound judgment directed at Israel. During this time, the Lord unleashes His fiery armies, who will sweep across the land, igniting everything in their path. The only exception to this devastation is the city of Jerusalem, which stands intact amidst the chaos, serving as a beacon of God's presence and authority during the unfolding of this monumental chapter in history.

This is hopeless. Our views are very far apart. I don't feel like discussing this with you anymore. Have a nice day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you agree? The text does not speak for itself.

Are you just trying to stir up trouble? It speaks for itself to those with discernment who can see that it speaks plainly and straightforwardly. We take the time to explain that to those lacking in discernment.

 

[covenantee]

Some of it has come to pass. I reminded you about 1948, when God brought Israel back to the land to reestablish the nation of Israel. But Israel remains as the dead body surrounded by vultures, waiting for the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37:1-14.

It has all come to pass.

You're Israel. After more than 3,000 years of natural genetic dispersion and diffusion, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the human race.

So why aren't you there?

 

[CadyandZoe]

I see that YOU haven't studied the passage. Tell me, what other entity but the church is a spiritual house with Jesus as its cornerstone?

In 1 Peter 2:5-6, Peter employs a vivid metaphorical framework rooted in tangible realities. He draws from the imagery of a physical temple built from stones, the sacred role of the Levite priesthood, and the tradition of animal sacrifices. Within this metaphor, he conveys that all Christians—whether they come from Jewish backgrounds or are Gentile believers in Christ—are like living stones, intricately woven together to form a beautifully constructed spiritual temple, with Christ as the "cornerstone". This dynamic imagery illustrates the unity and collective identity of the Christian community as a dwelling place for the divine.

Nonetheless, it cannot be assumed that Peter is using metaphorical language in verse nine. In this passage, he emphasizes the profound identity of the diaspora, referring to them as a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a distinct people set apart for a special purpose.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why not accept Hebrews

Why not accept Hebrews 8:6-13?

Because that's the New Testament and he doesn't care much for that. He gets his understanding entirely from the Old Testament without allowing the New Testament to shed light on it.

 

[covenantee]

This isn't true. Jesus said that their houses would be left desolate as a judgment against them (Matthew 23). The promise God made to their houses is a future hope for Israel.

What to believe?

1. God's promise to the House of Jacob and the House of Israel fulfilled at Calvary
2. Your denial

Hint?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In 1 Peter 2:5-6, Peter employs a vivid metaphorical framework rooted in tangible realities. He draws from the imagery of a physical temple built from stones, the sacred role of the Levite priesthood, and the tradition of animal sacrifices. Within this metaphor, he conveys that all Christians—whether they come from Jewish backgrounds or are Gentile believers in Christ—are like living stones, intricately woven together to form a beautifully constructed spiritual temple, with Christ as the "cornerstone". This dynamic imagery illustrates the unity and collective identity of the Christian community as a dwelling place for the divine.

Uh huh. That's called the church. So, that is who Peter was addressing. Very simple. You make simple things very convoluted for no reason.

Nonetheless, it cannot be assumed that Peter is using metaphorical language in verse nine. In this passage, he emphasizes the profound identity of the diaspora, referring to them as a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a distinct people set apart for a special purpose.

He is speaking to and about the same people in verse 9 as he does in verses 5 and 6.

 

[covenantee]

I see you haven't studied the passage. Peter addresses his letter to the Jewish diaspora, being the Apostle to the Jews as Paul has said.

Yes, whenever the churches back then read Peter's letter, they would first expel all the Gentiles from the congregations, because Peter's letter was only for the Jewish diaspora.

Today, we must ensure that we never read Peter's letter, because it was only for the Jewish diaspora.

Thanks for the guffaws.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Where did I make that contention? That has nothing to do with what I was saying whatsoever.

We are discussing Revelation 20:4, where John says the martyrs were given life.

Trying to explain spiritual things to someone as carnal as you is a futile endeavor.

I assume you have a handle on most of the common interpretations of the passage. You hold that ἔζησαν (ezēsan) indicates that the souls lived with Christ for a thousand years, whereas the Greek word means "came to life" when it is used about the dead. BDAG 425 s.v. ζάω 1.a.β says, “of dead persons who return to life become alive again:

John intends to convey a deeper message beyond the mere fact that the martyrs existed as souls alongside Christ. He emphasizes that their lives were transformed, infused with a divine vitality that rejuvenated their mortal bodies. This profound gift not only sustained them but also empowered them to share in Christ's glorious reign, highlighting the significance of their sacrifice and the eternal connection they hold with the divine.

The martyrs were raised from the dead.

 

[covenantee]

What is this...Big Dog and me too?

Big Dog and Me-Too

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Dogs

Need a hint?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Peter said that David prophesied that God told him that He will RAISE UP Christ to sit on his (David's) throne and said he was prophesying about Jesus being RAISED UP from the dead.

It seems there has been a misunderstanding regarding the context of Peter's statement. Peter referenced David to support his assertion that David's son would not experience decay, emphasizing that this was a prophecy about the resurrection necessary for him to occupy the throne of David. It is important to clarify that Peter was not implying that being raised from the dead is equivalent to taking a seat on David's throne; rather, he was making a profound connection between resurrection and the fulfillment of this prophecy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We are discussing Revelation 20:4, where John says the martyrs were given life.

No, it says they live (zao) and reign with Christ. Their souls live and reign with Christ in heaven. The word "zao" is not one that is used to describe being resurrected. That word is "anazao" which is used in verse 5 to describe the rest of the dead. Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection of the dead.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

The souls John saw had part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection) when they were alive in a spiritual sense as described here...

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It seems there has been a misunderstanding regarding the context of Peter's statement. Peter referenced David to support his assertion that David's son would not experience decay, emphasizing that this was a prophecy about the resurrection necessary for him to occupy the throne of David. It is important to clarify that Peter was not implying that being raised from the dead is equivalent to taking a seat on David's throne; rather, he was making a profound connection between resurrection and the fulfillment of this prophecy.

Peter said that David prophesied that God told him that He will RAISE UP Christ to sit on his (David's) throne and said he was prophesying about Jesus being RAISED UP from the dead.

 

[shepherdsword]

There is zero mention of your supposed future millennium. You know that. All you can do with text after text, is force it into the sacred text. That just about sums up Premil.

I notice you never address Amil posts. You just divert with your own extra-biblical avoidance.

The key of David describes the Davidic authority Christ now exercises over true Israel - His elect.

Unbelievable. I deal with every scripture you post. I have evaded nothing.

 

[shepherdsword]

No. That's what you would like it to say. The text speaks for itself. It forbids your position.

Correct, the text speaks for itself. It says exactly what I posted

 

[Scott Downey]

Not, it says they live (zao) and reign with Christ. Their souls live and reign with Christ in heaven. The word "zao" is not one that is used to describe being resurrected. That word is "anazao" which is used in verse 5 to describe the rest of the dead. Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection of the dead.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

The souls John saw had part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection) when they were alive in a spiritual sense as described here...

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

True, Jesus taught us those who believe in Him have passed from death into life at that moment and will NOT come into judgement.
Perhaps Jesus was speaking of the great white throne judgement where the dead are judged by their works, I always thought it so.

John 5 also teaches of the resurrection of life and the resurrection of condemnation, which is their own resurrection, not Christ's resurrection, who is the firstborn from the dead, the first resurrection, His is preeminent to our own resurrection.

In the WORD , there are all these puzzle pieces, and they all fit together a certain way. A puzzle only has one solution.

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son​

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

 

[Scott Downey]

25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.

Refers to those alive in the body but dead in the spirit, who hear the Lord Jesus, believe, and become spiritually alive to God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

True, Jesus taught us those who believe in Him have passed from death into life at that moment and will NOT come into judgement.
Perhaps Jesus was speaking of the great white throne judgement where the dead are judged by their works, I always thought it so.

John 5 also teaches of the resurrection of life and the resurrection of condemnation, which is their own resurrection, not Christ's resurrection, who is the firstborn from the dead, the first resurrection, His is preeminent to our own resurrection.

In the WORD , there are all these puzzle pieces, and they all fit together a certain way. A puzzle only has one solution.

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son​

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

In John 5:25 Jesus is saying we will not come into condemnation like unbelievers will and we instead will inherit eternal life. Everyone will be judged by their works and receive rewards or punishments accordingly and that's something beyond either inheriting eternal life or being cast into everlasting fire.

 

[Scott Downey]

Those who do not hear are not of God
Why is that? Well to be of God means to be born of God.
Nothing else matters except for being a New Creation in Christ.
John 8
47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3, unless you are of the Father, of God, you cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. You most certainly will not hear what Christ says.

John 8: 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”