Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[CadyandZoe]

What I cited has come to pass.

Of course, Jesus and the Apostles are the mediators of the New Covenant. But a portion of it has yet to come to pass, and a fuller explanation of that portion is found in Ezekiel 36, among other places.

 

[WPM]

That's not what the text says at all. It's what you think it says.There is nothing in the text that states that Jesus currently occupies the throne of David. It simply says the Christ one day would sit on David's throne.

Lol, your evidence is your opinion. The wording of the text means nothing to you.

In fact, when the disciples asked Jesus IF he would now restore the kingdom they were met with this proof that the kingdom spoken of was not yet restored:

Ac 1:6-7When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Although, I can see that amils have the unmitigated audacity to think THEY KNOW the time and season because they say it is now.

The two verses that go before Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) support the idea of a spiritual kingdom. The two verses that follow Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) show the Lord giving a spiritual response to their question.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The prime focus of these passages is “the resurrection of the dead” and the termination of death. This is the time when corruption is finally banished from the earth forever.

I agree. But your error is to assume that Paul is talking about a cataclysmic, climatic end to the world. He is not. He is talking about the role of the Messiah, which is to subdue his enemies. The last enemy is death. There are many more enemies to subdue before that.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Have you told Jesus that His New Covenant hasn't yet come to pass?

What did He say?

Indeed, the New Covenant was established at the moment of the crucifixion, marking a pivotal point in spiritual history. In the writings of Paul, we find that Jesus is depicted as the mediator of this covenant, suggesting that He is actively involved in facilitating the terms of the covenant for all believers. This covenant encompasses a profound promise: that God will sanctify His people, transforming their inner selves to such an extent that instead of needing to instruct one another to “know the Lord,” every individual will inherently possess that knowledge, from the most humble to the most exalted among them. The depth and breadth of God's grace in this covenant are truly incomprehensible, extending beyond what we can fully grasp or imagine.

God's promise to the House of Jacob and the House of Israel will be fulfilled.



needs to be mediated.

 

[shepherdsword]

Lol, your evidence is your opinion. The wording of the text means nothing to you.

That's a perfect example of pot/kettle projection.

The two verses that go before Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) support the idea of a spiritual kingdom. The two verses that follow Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) show the Lord giving a spiritual response to their question.

LOL...The disciples were clearly referring to a physical kingdom and so was the Lord. Another l discombobulated metaphoric leap through the nonsensical symbolic hoops for the amil camp. As usual in your eschatological dishonesty you ignore the fact that " It is not for you to know the times or the seasons". Jesus tells us the time of the kingdom is not for us to know....yet you say it is now. I guess you know more than the apostles did.

 

[WPM]

Peter is writing to a particular set of congregations populated by the Diaspora. He is talking to the descendants of Jacob who are living abroad.

No. There is no division in the body after the First Advent. The message is to the redeemed irrespective of race. Your apparteite theology runs contrary to the teaching of the NT.

 

[WPM]

I agree. But your error is to assume that Paul is talking about a cataclysmic, climatic end to the world. He is not. He is talking about the role of the Messiah, which is to subdue his enemies. The last enemy is death. There are many more enemies to subdue before that.

Once again you ignore a lengthy post, and a wealth of evidence, that forbids your teaching and respond with a mistaken evasive response. I refer you back. You sidestep a solid of rebuttal.

This is the normal Premil mode of engagement.

 

[covenantee]

Indeed, the New Covenant was established at the moment of the crucifixion, marking a pivotal point in spiritual history. In the writings of Paul, we find that Jesus is depicted as the mediator of this covenant, suggesting that He is actively involved in facilitating the terms of the covenant for all believers. This covenant encompasses a profound promise: that God will sanctify His people, transforming their inner selves to such an extent that instead of needing to instruct one another to “know the Lord,” every individual will inherently possess that knowledge, from the most humble to the most exalted among them. The depth and breadth of God's grace in this covenant are truly incomprehensible, extending beyond what we can fully grasp or imagine.

God's promise to the House of Jacob and the House of Israel will be fulfilled.



needs to be mediated.

God's promise to the House of Jacob and the House of Israel was fulfilled at Calvary.

 

[covenantee]

Of course, Jesus and the Apostles are the mediators of the New Covenant. But a portion of it has yet to come to pass, and a fuller explanation of that portion is found in Ezekiel 36, among other places.

It has all come to pass.

 

[WPM]

LOL...The disciples were clearly referring to a physical kingdom and so was the Lord. Another l discombobulated metaphoric leap through the nonsensical symbolic hoops for the amil camp. As usual in your eschatological dishonesty you ignore the fact that " It is not for you to know the times or the seasons". Jesus tells us the time of the kingdom is not for us to know....yet you say it is now. I guess you know more than the apostles did.

What you quote as evidence for your imaginary future kingdom is just a mere question from the disciples. That is it! For the record, the disciples said a lot and asked a lot that was fool-hearty that Jesus had to correct or rebuke. He did so here. But you totally reject His teaching. You defer to what you have been taught. This shows how totally bereft you are of any NT support for your beliefs. You are clearly married to what you have been taught, rather than what the Scripture teach here on this.

The most that we could take from this is that they may indeed have anticipated the introduction of a parochial, territorial and old-covenant-type physical kingdom. But that is far from a foregone conclusion. We can only, at best, speculate on that. Even if that was their assumption, that in no way proves that it was a legitimate hope. The disciples were often misguided in their expectations and narrow-minded in their tribal aspirations. They frequently saw no further than the borders of Israel. We see that played in the book of Acts, with their reluctance to advance the Gospel to the Gentiles.

It is hard to read the motives and intention of the question. Many times, the disciples were not getting the full meaning of Christ’s teaching. He sent His whole ministry correcting and re-directing them. So it could have been a patriotic desire. But Christ’s response nails it. That is what is key, not the disciples’ question. Premils tend to ignore the context and response and just talk about one verse in this narrative. That is because it suits their theology.

Regardless, it doesn’t really matter what the disciples thought, we need to rather ascertain what Christ thought and taught. We should remember: that this question came in the midst of a spiritual discourse about the kingdom of God arriving in power at Pentecost. Christ’s reply is key. It is powerful. It is direct. It nails the literalist’s interpretation of this in a carnal earthly sense.

The one thing they do not mention (or does Christ or any NT writer teach) is some sin-curse goat-infested death-blighted future millennium.

 

[covenantee]

There has never been a time when evangelism was deemed unnecessary because they all know him.

All who have believed Him and received Him since Calvary know Him. That is why Hebrews 8:11 is enclosed within the past and present tense verses of Hebrews 8:6 and Hebrews 8:13.

 

[covenantee]

Peter is writing to a particular set of congregations populated by the Diaspora. He is talking to the descendants of Jacob who are living abroad.

1 Peter 2:5,9 are the Church, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.

 

[WPM]

That's a perfect example of pot/kettle projection.

The text couldn't be clearer: "of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne [referring to Psalms 132:12]; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ."

Sorry for bursting your bubble, but, this doesn't allow for any Premil tampering. It is watertight. It is irrefutable, as your inability to refute it proves.

 

[WPM]

That's a perfect example of pot/kettle projection.

LOL...The disciples were clearly referring to a physical kingdom and so was the Lord. Another l discombobulated metaphoric leap through the nonsensical symbolic hoops for the amil camp. As usual in your eschatological dishonesty you ignore the fact that " It is not for you to know the times or the seasons". Jesus tells us the time of the kingdom is not for us to know....yet you say it is now. I guess you know more than the apostles did.

We see Stephen addressing Isaiah 66:1, whilst preaching on the subject of the tabernacle in Acts 7:44-50, saying, “Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. But Solomon built him an house. Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things? Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God” (Acts 7:47-56).

Here, Stephen’s natural eyes were supernaturally opened to view the Lord’s current kingly reign over His enemies upon the heavenly throne from the right hand of majesty on high. Thus confirming, once again, the present reality of Christ’s glorious reign in glory – heaven being His throne and earth being His footstool.

Stephen was thus able to testify to the marvelous kingly fulfilment of our two prophetic Old Testament prophecies. Confirming, once again, the present reality of Christ’s glorious reign over His enemies in glory – heaven being His throne and earth being His footstool.

Stephen lost his life for identifying the Old Testament “tabernacle of witness” with Christ and the conversion of the Gentiles. He then goes on to explain that God’s tabernacle today is not physical but spiritual (v 48) and then quotes Isaiah 66:1 to show the enormity of Christ’s rule today having sat down at the right hand of majesty on high (vv 49, 55-56). Stephen showed that God’s temple today is not physical, but spiritual. Also, the Messianic reign is shown to be heavenly and not earthly: “Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool.” Plainly, earth is not the location of God’s throne – heaven is. Albeit, earth is the place of His footstool not anywhere else. Do Premils not see this? This reading confirms that this reign is active an ongoing since the resurrection/ascension. Stephen was seeing this kingly rule in this current intra-Advent period.

In the Old Testament passage of Isaiah 22:21-25 we see a typical reference to the authority and governance of Christ with the key of David over the house of David. It reads: “And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house. And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons. In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.”

The seizing of the key of David is closely connected with the governance of the house of Israel. The New Testament makes it clear that Christ now holds that key/authority. He now is Israel’s king. He glorious holds his earthly fore-father David’s throne. What country to the mindset of many literalists today, it is a spiritual row over a spiritual house. It also embraces Gentiles!

Christ is shown in the New Testament to be the fulfilment to all these Messianic prophecies. What is more, He is shown to be currently exercising Davidic key/authority upon high over David’s house. John says in Revelation 3:7, “These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath (present active particle) the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”

This passage reinforces the fact that Christ is exercising His Davidic kingship over mankind now. The Old Testament kings were mere types of the one true King. He didn’t come to replicate the imperfect shadow and type, He came to introduce the true and eternal kingship of Israel.

 

[covenantee]

We see Stephen addressing Isaiah 66:1, whilst preaching on the subject of the tabernacle in Acts 7:44-50, saying, “Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. But Solomon built him an house. Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things? Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God” (Acts 7:47-56).

Here, Stephen’s natural eyes were supernaturally opened to view the Lord’s current kingly reign over His enemies upon the heavenly throne from the right hand of majesty on high. Thus confirming, once again, the present reality of Christ’s glorious reign in glory – heaven being His throne and earth being His footstool.

Stephen was thus able to testify to the marvelous kingly fulfilment of our two prophetic Old Testament prophecies. Confirming, once again, the present reality of Christ’s glorious reign over His enemies in glory – heaven being His throne and earth being His footstool.

Stephen lost his life for identifying the Old Testament “tabernacle of witness” with Christ and the conversion of the Gentiles. He then goes on to explain that God’s tabernacle today is not physical but spiritual (v 48) and then quotes Isaiah 66:1 to show the enormity of Christ’s rule today having sat down at the right hand of majesty on high (vv 49, 55-56). Stephen showed that God’s temple today is not physical, but spiritual. Also, the Messianic reign is shown to be heavenly and not earthly: “Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool.” Plainly, earth is not the location of God’s throne – heaven is. Albeit, earth is the place of His footstool not anywhere else. Do Premils not see this? This reading confirms that this reign is active an ongoing since the resurrection/ascension. Stephen was seeing this kingly rule in this current intra-Advent period.

In the Old Testament passage of Isaiah 22:21-25 we see a typical reference to the authority and governance of Christ with the key of David over the house of David. It reads: “And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house. And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons. In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.”

The seizing of the key of David is closely connected with the governance of the house of Israel. The New Testament makes it clear that Christ now holds that key/authority. He now is Israel’s king. He glorious holds his earthly fore-father David’s throne. What country to the mindset of many literalists today, it is a spiritual row over a spiritual house. It also embraces Gentiles!

Christ is shown in the New Testament to be the fulfilment to all these Messianic prophecies. What is more, He is shown to be currently exercising Davidic key/authority upon high over David’s house. John says in Revelation 3:7, “These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath (present active particle) the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”

This passage reinforces the fact that Christ is exercising His Davidic kingship over mankind now. The Old Testament kings were mere types of the one true King. He didn’t come to replicate the imperfect shadow and type, He came to introduce the true and eternal kingship of Israel.

Amen brother.

 

[TribulationSigns]

[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Does your Bible translation say new TESTAMENT or new COVENANT?

You need to research more. The covenant is a testament... a will! A will that cannot become a force unless Christ (mediator of the new testament) dies first.

Mat 26:28
"For this is my blood of the new testament (G1242), which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

Heb 9:15-17
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament (G1242), that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament (G1242), they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament (G1242) is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament (G1242) is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Look up G1242 in your Strongs study!

 

[WPM]

Amen brother.

How can an open, honest and objective Bible student deny this? They couldn't. The evidence is overwhelming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Peter quotes David to prove that God would not allow his descendant to suffer decay. This does not mean that Jesus' resurrection is Jesus sitting on David's throne.

Peter said that David prophesied that God told him that He will RAISE UP Christ to sit on his (David's) throne and said he was prophesying about Jesus being RAISED UP from the dead.

 

[ewq1938]

You need to research more. The covenant is a testament... a will!

Yes.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Same exact word and meaning. A Testament is exactly the same as a Covenant.

Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


1. Heb 9:15 Jesus "is the mediator of the new testament"
2. Heb 12:24 "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I appreciate your post, but I wanted to clarify a crucial point regarding the concept of martyrs. It's important to understand that martyrs, by definition, are individuals who endure suffering or are ultimately killed due to their unwavering beliefs. Therefore, when the passage refers to the martyrs coming to life, it signifies their resurrection from physical death. This is particularly relevant in the context of the book of Revelation, where it is noted that these martyrs were slain for refusing to accept the mark of the beast. Thus, their resurrection highlights the triumph of their faith even after facing the ultimate sacrifice.

Bottom line, Revelation 20 the first resurrection is physical.

It doesn't refer to their bodies coming to life, it refers to their souls living and reigning with Christ because they had part in His resurrection.

You're right that the first resurrection is physical because it is Christ's resurrection.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Having part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection):

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;