Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Doug]

In God's Redemptive Work of Salvation

Covenant = Testament

They are synonyms

A synonym is a word, morpheme, or phrase that means precisely or nearly the same as another word, morpheme, or phrase in a given language. For example, in the English language, the words begin, start, commence, and initiate are all synonyms of one another: they are synonymous.

They cant always be equivalent

Matthew 26:28 NKJV “For this is My blood of the new[fn] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

If its new covenant then why would not think this verse would apply to them.....[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

This verse only applies to future Israel

 

[Scott Downey]

The text tellsud: David has been reigning on David's throne since the resurrection. He has the key of David now. Your fight is with the Book. Not Amils.

This why every reader should reject Premil. It butchers the Word of God.

You mean Christ has been reigning on David's throne since the resurrection. Edit your post.

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[Doug]

I have no idea of what you are talking about. The new testament and new covenant are essentially the same thing.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

So, do you think Christ shed His blood for the new testament, the new covenant or both?

[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

If one thinks Jesus shed his blood for the new covenant then one could think this was fulfilled and applies to them

 

[Scott Downey]

They cant always be equivalent

Matthew 26:28 NKJV “For this is My blood of the new[fn] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

If its new covenant then why would not think this verse would apply to them.....[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

This verse only applies to future Israel

Why are you so flat footed on this?
Who is the Israel of God?
The Israel of God includes all gentiles who are born according to the promise of God, as in those who are new creations in Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

Galatians 6, written to the gentile believers...

Glory Only in the Cross​

11 See with what large letters I have written to you with my own hand! 12 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. 13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by [b]whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

Blessing and a Plea​

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

17 From now on let no one trouble me, for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

The Israel of God is not the jews, OR the gentiles, it is the New creations in Christ!

 

[Doug]

I'm talking about the permanent forgiveness of sins. No one's sins were permanently covered until Christ made His sacrifice.


Saying that the new covenant isn't in effect is like saying Jesus didn't die and rise again from the dead.

I'm talking about the permanent forgiveness of sins. No one's sins were permanently covered until Christ made His sacrifice.

God forgave them based on the blood of Christ which would be shed

Saying that the new covenant isn't in effect is like saying Jesus didn't die and rise again from the dead.

[Heb 8:8, 10 KJV] 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: ... 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

This is the only use of new covenant in KJV and its for future Israel

 

[Doug]

No, that Bible translation was quite accurate. The new testament and new covenant are the same. You are sadly mistaken. Scripture says the new covenant was established by Christ long ago which took away the old covenant and made it obsolete and you are ignoring that.

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

new covenant was established by Christ long ago which took away the old covenant and made it obsolete and you are ignoring that.

No but the new covenant has not been implemented yet.....in the new covenant God will cause Israel to keep his statutes and sacrifices will resume in the kingdom

 

[Doug]

Why are you so flat footed on this?
Who is the Israel of God?
The Israel of God includes all gentiles who are born according to the promise of God, as in those who are new creations in Christ.

the Israel of God is the believing remnant of israel

 

[Scott Downey]

the Israel of God is the believing remnant of israel

Only one new man exists in Christ, there is no longer jew nor gentile

"so as to create in Himself one new man from the two,"

Why deny what scripture teaches here through Paul, why do that?
This is the apostle's doctrine.

Ephesians 2

Brought Near by His Blood​

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Christ Our Peace​

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Christ Our Cornerstone​

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[Doug]

Only one new man exists in Christ, there is no longer jew nor gentile

"so as to create in Himself one new man from the two,"

Why deny what scripture teaches here through Paul, why do that?
This is the apostle's doctrine.

Ephesians 2

Brought Near by His Blood​

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Christ Our Peace​

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Christ Our Cornerstone​

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Yes in this dispensation the one new man is only revealed by Paul.......this was not true for Israel under Christ and the twelve

 

[Scott Downey]

More evidence on who is the Israel of God. Creating divisions is a false teaching, probably related to dispensationalism. Why else would someone teach otherwise...

Galatians 3

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes in this dispensation the one new man is only revealed by Paul.......this was not true for Israel under Christ and the twelve

You are adding onto the scriptures though. Yes, you are. Your making assumptions. What you are saying is not taught in the New Testament scriptures. We have the instructions for the churches for today and all time, this is the final revelation, the church of Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

Colossians 1 and the mystery of God, this is the end of the matter.​

25 of which I became a minister according to the [g]stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God,

26 the [h]mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.

27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: [i]which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Reconciled in Christ​

19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Sacrificial Service for Christ​

24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

25 of which I became a minister according to the [g]stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God,

26 the [h]mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.

27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: [i]which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

29 To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily.

 

[CadyandZoe]

1. 
   John 18:36
   Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

In that verse Jesus is talking about the source of his kingdom, not its location. If man was the source of his kingdom then men would fight to protect it. But God is the source of his kingdom and so, the fact that Jesus is being delivered over to the Jews is evidence that God has allowed him to be taken.

 

[Doug]

More evidence on who is the Israel of God. Creating divisions is a false teaching, probably related to dispensationalism. Why else would someone teach otherwise...

Galatians 3

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

we are heirs of Abraham's seed Christ........we are heirs of Christ not Abraham

 

[Doug]

You are adding onto the scriptures though. Yes, you are. Your making assumptions. What you are saying is not taught in the New Testament scriptures. We have the instructions for the churches for today and all time, this is the final revelation, the church of Christ.

show me scripture before Paul that teaches there is neither Jew or Gentile

 

[Scott Downey]

we are heirs of Abraham's seed Christ........we are heirs of Christ not Abraham

Paul writing to gentiles wrote that Abraham is our father, according to faith

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

 

[Scott Downey]

And also who are the seed of Abraham as in Abraham's descendants? that would be all believers in Christ

Romans 4, Paul wrote to gentile believers, not jews.

1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father[a] has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

Abraham Justified Before Circumcision​

9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Learn how to read. The argument is that He will not rule on the earth for a thousand years after He returns. And the argument is that those who Premills think Jesus will reign over will instead be destroyed when He comes again.

The original poster put forth the argument that the kingdom of Christ is not situated on this earth. However, it seems contradictory to this claim because if Christ's followers are living on earth and He governs them, it follows that His kingdom must indeed be present on earth at this very moment.

If he were to descend back to Earth to reign over his devoted subjects for a thousand years, it would not alter the undeniable truth that he already governs them from his throne on this planet.

The prophecies found in both the Old and New Testaments foretell a time when he will exercise dominion over the nations with a sturdy rod of iron—a promise that has yet to be fulfilled. This anticipation continues to linger in the hearts of believers as they await the return of Jesus. If, upon his arrival, he were to wipe out all the nations, there would be no nations left for him to govern and guide. People wonder how that vision of leadership and authority could materialize if destruction precedes his reign.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Absolutely none, as you know. Premills like to read things into verses that are not there. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. Period. He did NOT say His kingdom is not of this world for now, but one day it will be. No. That would be like when He said He and His followers are not of this world (John 17:14-16), He was implying that one day that He and His followers would be of this world. Um...no. Not being of this world means not being evil and worldly. Jesus's kingdom will never be evil and worldly and therefore will never be of this world.

Jesus emphasized the essence of the source rather than the physical location of his kingdom. When he declared that "my kingdom is not OF this world," he was highlighting that his kingdom was not created or brought into existence by human efforts or earthly powers. Instead, it signifies a divine realm that transcends mundane existence, rooted in spiritual truths and heavenly principles rather than temporal institutions.