Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

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Spiritual Israelite

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Our Salvation came down from Above.

Because of sin ruling over us we needed a Savior who was unaffected by sin.

The same is true for our understanding pertaining to the things of God.

The Apostle Peter was not given all revelation, but only that which the LORD gave to him.

Example: JESUS speaking to Peter after the Resurrection = John 21:17-22

He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?”

And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”

Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.
Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish.”
This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, “Follow Me.”

Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”

Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”
Are you trying to tell me that Peter didn't really know what he was talking about despite being inspired by the Holy Spirit? Are you trying to tell me that Peter was limited in his understanding of the day of the Lord despite the fact that what he wrote did not come from his own mind, but from the Holy Spirit?
 

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[Act 13:38 KJV] 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
This is before the new covenant
I'm talking about the permanent forgiveness of sins. No one's sins were permanently covered until Christ made His sacrifice.

These verses dont say the nw covenant is in effect.....it says only the new covenant will take away the first......:may establish" 10:9 not established
Saying that the new covenant isn't in effect is like saying Jesus didn't die and rise again from the dead.
 

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Are you trying to tell me that Peter didn't really know what he was talking about despite being inspired by the Holy Spirit? Are you trying to tell me that Peter was limited in his understanding of the day of the Lord despite the fact that what he wrote did not come from his own mind, but from the Holy Spirit?
Peter definitely spoke by the Holy Spirit = 100%

Did the LORD give all of the same revelation to Peter as HE did to Paul?

Both spoke by the Holy Spirit and yet what did Peter say about Paul? = 2 Peter 3:14-16

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
 
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Peter definitely spoke by the Holy Spirit = 100%

Did the LORD give all of the same revelation to Peter as HE did to Paul?

Both spoke by the Holy Spirit and yet what did Peter say about Paul? = 2 Peter 3:14-16

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
He gave them different details of the same event, but they both taught that no unbelievers will survive the return of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

So, what can we learn about what Paul is saying in 1 Thess 5:2-3 from what Peter said about the same event in 2 Peter 3:10-13? We can see what causes the "sudden destruction" that Paul said will occur when Jesus comes as a thief in the night from which those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape". It will be fire that comes down on the entire earth. No wonder Paul said "they shall not escape". How could any mortals escape that? They can't.
 

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A little reminder for everyone on here.

John 13:34
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

When someone asks you a question, respond the way the LORD has commanded you.
Then I suggest that you practice what you preach....instead of standing in judgement of others...if you don’t know the answer to a question...rather than ignore it, say that you don’t understand the question.

So...you asked me a question...I didn’t understand it...so explain what you meant by asking me about the 1,000 year reign?

There is nothing wrong in saying that you don’t understand a question David....it’s pride or ego that stands in the way...we are called to humble ourselves....
 
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He gave them different details of the same event, but they both taught that no unbelievers will survive the return of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

So, what can we learn about what Paul is saying in 1 Thess 5:2-3 from what Peter said about the same event in 2 Peter 3:10-13? We can see what causes the "sudden destruction" that Paul said will occur when Jesus comes as a thief in the night from which those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape". It will be fire that comes down on the entire earth. No wonder Paul said "they shall not escape". How could any mortals escape that? They can't.
AGREE with you mostly but not entirely.

Here is why:

The LORD gave some(key word = some) revelation to Peter and some to Paul.

However, the LORD gave the Book of Revelation directly and only to the Apostle John.

Therefore the LORD establishes His appointed revelations amongst His apostles and just as Peter submitted to Paul's understanding so also must Peter and Paul submit to John's understanding.
This is how the Body of Christ is to walk in humility and faith = Philippians 2:3

Like wise, everyone of us must submit to ALL revelation/understanding given to us in the entirety of the Holy Scriptures.
No picking and choosing what we desire.

If we fail to do this we fall into the trap of establishing ourselves as being "unquestionable" and we give ourselves to "division".
Then I suggest that you practice what you preach....instead of standing in judgement of others...
I am = you are invited to join me in His love for each other and we can be pleasing to our Heavenly FATHER.
 

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AGREE with you mostly but not entirely.

Here is why:

The LORD gave some(key word = some) revelation to Peter and some to Paul.

However, the LORD gave the Book of Revelation directly and only to the Apostle John.

Therefore the LORD establishes His appointed revelations amongst His apostles and just as Peter submitted to Paul's understanding so also must Peter and Paul submit to John's understanding.
This is how the Body of Christ is to walk in humility and faith = Philippians 2:3

Like wise, everyone of us must submit to ALL revelation/understanding given to us in the entirety of the Holy Scriptures.
No picking and choosing what we desire.

If we fail to do this we fall into the trap of establishing ourselves as being "unquestionable" and we give ourselves to "division".

I am = you are invited to join me in His love for each other and we can be pleasing to our Heavenly FATHER.
No you aren’t David..I’ve asked you many questions on another thread, which you have completely ignored ...if you don’t understand a question..then I suggest you do what I’ve just done and own up to not understanding the question...in future when I come to you with a question....

There is no shame in not understanding questions David...pride and ego...doesn’t like the fact that it doesn’t know everything.

Especially regarding Gods word.
 

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AGREE with you mostly but not entirely.
What do you agree with that I said and what do you disagree with?

Here is why:

The LORD gave some(key word = some) revelation to Peter and some to Paul.

However, the LORD gave the Book of Revelation directly and only to the Apostle John.
So? The same Holy Spirit who inspired Peter and Paul also inspired John.

Therefore the LORD establishes His appointed revelations amongst His apostles and just as Peter submitted to Paul's understanding so also must Peter and Paul submit to John's understanding.
Nonsense. Nowhere is this taught in scripture. Peter did not submit to Paul's understanding, he said Paul had some writings that were difficult to understand, but not too difficult because he said those who distort it do so to their own destruction. Nowhere did he say his writings were in any way inferior or lacking compared to Paul's. And, nowhere does it say that "Peter and Paul submit to John's understanding". They were all inspired by the same Holy Spirit. You had to come up with some way to deny what Peter and Paul taught and this is what you came up with. Sad.

Like wise, everyone of us must submit to ALL revelation/understanding given to us in the entirety of the Holy Scriptures.
No picking and choosing what we desire.
Of course. But, it looks like you have decided that Peter and Paul didn't really know what they were talking about and only John did. Despite all of them being inspired by the same Holy Spirit.

If we fail to do this we fall into the trap of establishing ourselves as being "unquestionable" and we give ourselves to "division".

I am = you are invited to join me in His love for each other and we can be pleasing to our Heavenly FATHER.
So, can you tell me how you interpret 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12? Were Peter and Paul mistaken to indicate that all who are in spiritual darkness will be destroyed when Jesus comes as a thief in the night?
 

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No you aren’t David..I’ve asked you many questions on another thread, which you have completely ignored ...if you don’t understand a question..then I suggest you do what I’ve just done and own up to not understanding the question...in future when I come to you with a question....

There is no shame in not understanding questions David...pride and ego...doesn’t like the fact that it doesn’t know everything.
Rita,
You have learned from another member on here to demand answers to a barrage of question that you give and if any one of those questions are not answered or not answered the way you like then you become hostile.

That is exactly how the pharisees would approach the Lord Jesus Christ.

Contrary wise, you were asked one UP-lifting question to you and your response was: "I am not here to answer your question"

Now let us focus on pleasing the LORD by using this opportunity for inflection and receiving His love in our hearts for each other.
 

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What do you agree with that I said and what do you disagree with?


So? The same Holy Spirit who inspired Peter and Paul also inspired John.


Nonsense. Nowhere is this taught in scripture. Peter did not submit to Paul's understanding, he said Paul had some writings that were difficult to understand, but not too difficult because he said those who distort it do so to their own destruction. Nowhere did he say his writings were in any way inferior or lacking compared to Paul's. And, nowhere does it say that "Peter and Paul submit to John's understanding". They were all inspired by the same Holy Spirit. You had to come up with some way to deny what Peter and Paul taught and this is what you came up with. Sad.


Of course. But, it looks like you have decided that Peter and Paul didn't really know what they were talking about and only John did. Despite all of them being inspired by the same Holy Spirit.


So, can you tell me how you interpret 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12? Were Peter and Paul mistaken to indicate that all who are in spiritual darkness will be destroyed when Jesus comes as a thief in the night?
Nonsense. Nowhere is this taught in scripture.

It is taught throughout Scripture

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
 
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Rita,
You have learned from another member on here to demand answers to a barrage of question that you give and if any one of those questions are not answered or not answered the way you like then you become hostile.
I have never become hostile David...you are talking about yourself here.
That is exactly how the pharisees would approach the Lord Jesus Christ.

Contrary wise, you were asked one UP-lifting question to you and your response was: "I am not here to answer your question"
Yes and I explained why...how about you check out some of your posts, when I’ve asked you questions...I could post some of your sarcastic and hostile replies.

So, pot kettle black David...you like pointing out the speck in your brother’s eye, yet can’t see the log in your own eye.

Now let us focus on pleasing the LORD by using this opportunity for inflection and receiving His love in our hearts for each other.
So stop being the hypocrite that you are.and start taking a good look at yourself “ inwardly” let go of your own pride and ego.
 

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It is taught throughout Scripture

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Where? What you quoted here says nothing about Peter submitting to Paul's understanding as if Paul's understanding was superior to his. Notice that Peter said in relation to Paul's writings "untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction". Clearly, Peter understood Paul's writings or else he too would have twisted them to his own destruction. So, why do you think that Paul's understanding was superior to Peter's? It was not. And neither of them had inferior understanding to John. The same Holy Spirit taught them all.

So, stop using this lame excuse to not accept what is taught in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12.
 

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Rita,
You have learned from another member on here to demand answers to a barrage of question that you give and if any one of those questions are not answered or not answered the way you like then you become hostile.

That is exactly how the pharisees would approach the Lord Jesus Christ.

Contrary wise, you were asked one UP-lifting question to you and your response was: "I am not here to answer your question"

Now let us focus on pleasing the LORD by using this opportunity for inflection and receiving His love in our hearts for each other.
LOL. You act like you just came here to be a peacemaker when you are the one who came here and ranted at Scott telling him he should know better than what he was saying. No, you should know better because you are the one promoting false doctrine, not him. Stop being a hypocrite.
 
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I have never become hostile David...you are talking about yourself here.

Yes and I explained why...how about you check out some of your posts, when I’ve asked you questions...I could post some of your sarcastic and hostile replies.

So, pot kettle black David...you like pointing out the speck in your brother’s eye, yet can’t see the log in your own eye.


So stop being the hypocrite that you are.and start taking a good look at yourself “ inwardly” let go of your own pride and ego.
You're right. He is a hypocrite. He acts like everyone else is being rude when he is the one that rudely came into this thread out of nowhere and started ranting at Scott that he should know better while not addressing even one of the points that Scott made.
 

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Even I owned up to not understanding his question that he asked of me....yet imo he can’t do the same...then he starts telling me it’s my pride and ego...pot kettle black eh?
He's a fake and there's several others like that on here as well. He won't even address any questions we ask him or any of the points that we make. He just says we're wrong and that's it and does nothing to back it up.
 

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You're right. He is a hypocrite. He acts like everyone else is being rude when he is the one that rudely came into this thread out of nowhere and started ranting at Scott that he should know better while not addressing even one of the points that Scott made.
I agree.sometimes it’s a good thing...to check back on our posts to reread how we address people on here at times....we need to be in control of what comes out of our mouths...

I don’t think David knows what that means ,imo.he can only see the wrong in others .....which is such a shame,,because if he stays like that he will never grow and mature in Christ.imo.......it’s a good thing to look inwardly at our behaviour as we want to please God....
 
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