Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

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  1. John 18:36

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

The heathen are still raging and fighting against the Father and the Son.
The only time they can no longer fight is when we get new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
Even pre-mills admit there is evil rebellion of the wicked and Satan during their earthly millennial reign.

Psalm 2
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Why do the [a]nations [b]rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.


9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”
No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Scott,
YES HE WILL

Come on Scott, you should know better by now!!!

NEVER, NEVER claim to smarter then God and His Promises/Prophecies

Zechariah chapter 14
Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with [You.
 
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the first thing is the Bible translations change testament to covenant, but outside of that for the new covenant to be in place today Israel would have to be fully in their promised land......[Eze 36:28 KJV] 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
You need to allow the New Testament to shed light on the Old Testament for you. Are you saying that you don't think the new covenant is established yet even though scripture explicitly says it is? Do you somehow not understand that the new covenant was established by the blood of Christ?

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Hebrews 10:9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
 

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where does Paul say we are a spiritual priesthood
Seriously? You need to (1) move out of the OT and move into the NT and (2) take off your Premil glasses and you will quickly see we are a holy priesthood, we are kings and priests now.
 
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Scott,
YES HE WILL

Come on Scott, you should know better by now!!!
No, He will not, David. You should know better by now!!!

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
 

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Scott,
YES HE WILL

Come on Scott, you should know better by now!!!

NEVER, NEVER claim to smarter then God and His Promises/Prophecies

Zechariah chapter 14
Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with [You.
Maybe you would do a comparison between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20 and show us the correlation. I will not hold my breath. This is a forced interpretation.

Your interpretation is in error. The new covenant took us out of the Old. You can promote the rebuilding of a new temple and the restarting of blood sacrifices. Amils believe in the finished work of Christ. He is the only temple we need in this age and the age to come.
 
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Lol. Are your eyes painted on? This has already occurred at the resurrection. There is no room for Premils to twist it. It is crystal clear.
Jesus will sit on David's throne in the kingdom Matthew 19:28 25:31 the regeneration has not occurred
 
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. Peter actually agrees with me .Let's look at the verse:

Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ

As anyone without a bias can clearly see...the verse states that Christ will sit upon the throne of David after He is resurrected.
Your bias prevents you from seeing that Peter said God promised to David that He would "raise up Christ to sit on his (David's) throne" and what He was talking about in that prophecy was "the resurrection of Christ". So, Christ was raised up to David's throne by way of being raised up from the dead. That is what Peter indicated there which anyone without the doctrinal bias that you have can see.


The throne of David is not some mystical metaphoric thing but an actual position that David himself occupied...the throne of Israel. This wasn't a spiritual symbol but a real throne. Jesus will occupy it for 1000 years during the millenial reign.

Act 2:25-31 concerns the resurrection of Christ before His body would see decay.

Ac 2:25-31
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his
soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Your carnal way of looking at things prevents you from understanding spiritual truth. You interpret scripture like the natural man who finds spiritual truth to be foolishness (1 Corinthians 2:9-16).
 

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Jesus will sit on David's throne in the kingdom Matthew 19:28 25:31 the regeneration has not occurred
No He is coming in His glory to reign on the perfected earth devoid of all corruption.
 
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Jesus will sit on David's throne in the kingdom Matthew 19:28 25:31 the regeneration has not occurred
Peter said that Jesus was raised up to David's throne by way of being raised up from the dead.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Notice here that Peter said there was a prophecy made by David where God told him that He would raise up Christ to sit on his (David's) throne and then said the prophecy was speaking "of the resurrection of Christ". And Peter said "This Jesus hath God raised up". By saying "This Jesus hath God raised up", he was saying that the prophecy about Jesus being raised up to sit on David's throne was fulfilled. God made Jesus "both Lord and Christ", proving that His level of power and authority had been elevated. Him being Lord means He is Master and King.

Like many OT prophecies, it has a spiritual fulfillment and not a literal fulfillment of Jesus sitting on a physical throne. You need to be willing to accept the NT explanations of the fulfillments of OT prophecies.
 
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I dont see that ......death and sin exist in the millennium but not the new heaven and earth
How do you interpret this passage...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

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None of this means anything. I'm talking about the purpose of the animal sacrifices. Please address my point. Why would future animal sacrifices be needed for reconciliation when Jesus already made His "once for all" sacrifice for reconciliation?
ok but you asked me to list what modifications were made in Ezekiel's temple
As far as why sacrifices I would say God dealt with Israel thru the temple ....there would be sinners in the temple that needed purification.....Gentiles had to learn about sin and re4demption.....my own thoughts not found in scripture
 

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No, He will not, David. You should know better by now!!!

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
Are you part of the Scripture Prophecy deniers?

What part of 2 Peter 3:10 are you missing
 

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ok but you asked me to list what modifications were made in Ezekiel's temple
I guess I did ask that, but that's not really what I'm wanting to talk about.

As far as why sacrifices I would say God dealt with Israel thru the temple ....there would be sinners in the temple that needed purification.....Gentiles had to learn about sin and re4demption.....my own thoughts not found in scripture
The key phrase there is "not found in scripture". Please base your beliefs on scripture. Jesus made animal sacrifices obsolete by His sacrifice. It would be an insult to Christ for animal sacrifices to be reinstated. Please prayerfully read Hebrews 8 to 10.
 

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Do you not understand that the new covenant was established by the blood of Christ long ago already? Please read Hebrews 8 to 10. You are showing a lack of understanding of what Jesus accomplished on the cross and what was the purpose of animal sacrifices. Hebrews 10 indicates that the animal sacrifices under the old covenant foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice. Once He made His sacrifice the old covenant animal sacrifices were made obsolete. The only sacrifice needed under the new covenant is Christ's sacrifice.
the blood of Christ secured the new covenant so God could forgive Israel's sin under the old covenant (Heb 9:15) but it's not in force til Israel is back in the land (Ezekiel 36:24)
 

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Are you part of the Scripture Prophecy deniers?

What part of 2 Peter 3:10 are you missing
Completely childish response. You're better than this. I'm not missing any part of 2 Peter 3:10-13. That passage does not allow for any mortal survivors of Christ's return. How about you show me how you think it says otherwise?
 

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Maybe you would do a comparison between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20 and show us the correlation. I will not hold my breath. This is a forced interpretation.

Your interpretation is in error. The new covenant took us out of the Old. You can promote the rebuilding of a new temple and the restarting of blood sacrifices. Amils believe in the finished work of Christ. He is the only temple we need in this age and the age to come.
The Holy Spirit already PROVED to you His Correlation of His Truth in the Holy Scriptures which HE Authorized.

God expects that we BELIEVE His every word = Matthew 4:4

Brilliant intellectual minds are not permitted to know = Matthew 11:25

Humbleness of mind and spirit REQUIRED = Matthew 18:1-7

PROVED = God's Word = Trust HIM at His Word
BELIEVE = God's Word = Have faith in His Word
REQUIRED = God's Word = Submit to His Word
 

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the blood of Christ secured the new covenant so God could forgive Israel's sin under the old covenant (Heb 9:15) but it's not in force til Israel is back in the land (Ezekiel 36:24)
Doug,
God will NEVER forgive Israel's sin under the Old Covenant = Hebrews 9:15

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a New Covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
 

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Completely childish response. You're better than this. I'm not missing any part of 2 Peter 3:10-13. That passage does not allow for any mortal survivors of Christ's return. How about you show me how you think it says otherwise?
You are stumped!!!
 

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the blood of Christ secured the new covenant so God could forgive Israel's sin under the old covenant (Heb 9:15) but it's not in force til Israel is back in the land (Ezekiel 36:24)
That is not at all what scripture teaches. No one's sin can be forgiven under the old covenant. It can only be forgiven under the new covenant by way of Christ's blood.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

I showed you scripture that said the new covenant is already in force and established and that it replaced the old covenant. Why do you not accept what that scripture teaches?

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.