Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

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I cant say anything more than it being for reconciliation........Israel will be back under the law as seen by the new covenant Jer 31:31 that may be a reason for sacrifices
The Jeremiah passage is quoted virtually verbatim in Hebrews 8:8-12.
It is prefaced by Hebrews 8:6 and concluded by Hebrews 8:13:
Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Both verses are expressed in the past and present tenses, signifying that what lies between them was true and fulfilled when written.

It became and becomes true and fulfilled for every Jew who received and receives salvation through Christ's New Covenant and Blood.
Which began 2,000 years ago at Calvary.
 
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  1. John 18:36

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

The heathen are still raging and fighting against the Father and the Son.
The only time they can no longer fight is when we get new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
Even pre-mills admit there is evil rebellion of the wicked and Satan during their earthly millennial reign.

Psalm 2
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Why do the [a]nations [b]rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.


9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”
Isa 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.


The throne of David is not in heaven.
 

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The Jeremiah passage is quoted virtually verbatim in Hebrews 8:8-12.
It is prefaced by Hebrews 8:6 and concluded by Hebrews 8:13:
Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Both verses are expressed in the past and present tenses, signifying that what lies between them was true and fulfilled when written.

It became and becomes true and fulfilled for every Jew who received and receives salvation through Christ's New Covenant and Blood.
Which began 2,000 years ago at Calvary.
sorry I am not clear......are you saying the new covenant is in effect today?
 

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Isa 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.


The throne of David is not in heaven.
Peter disagrees with you in Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ (Acts 2:25-31).

The whole context here is expressly speaking about the One that would assume David's throne. It is speaking about the only One that could gloriously take it. Christ was that man. He was of course the promised offspring of David (the fruit of his loins). None else would take such a final place of authority. Christ was indeed the fulfilment of the Davidic promise. He now reigns supreme.

Christ already came physically and revealed the kingdom of God to Israel. The problem was, it just wasn't what they expected. The fact is the Messianic kingdom is here. Messiah has come. The kingdom is found everywhere Christ reigns in sovereign control. The kingdom is here on this earth now in the hearts of God's people (the Israel of God).

Peter shows us that Psalm 110:1 is currently being fulfilled since Christ destroyed the power of the grave, and ascended to the right hand of majesty on high. No objective Bible student could fail to see the focus and message of this narrative. This reading is concentrated upon the victory of the resurrection of Christ nearly 2,000 years ago and the resulting current kingly Messianic reign of Christ at “the right hand of God exalted” in heaven. It confirms that Israel’s Messiah now sits enthroned upon David’s throne, and locates the timing of His assumption of the same to after “the resurrection of Christ.” As Messiah, Christ fulfilled every human demand of Him, thus rightfully assuming the kingship of Israel through His impeccable life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection.
 
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Look at these verses
[Isa 66:21-22 KJV] 21 And I will also take of them for priests [and] for Levites, saith the LORD. 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Here are verses above to uphold my contention that Isaiah is talking about the millennium..........v21 priests serve in the temple which according to Ezekiel 40-48 exists in the millennium but not in the new heaven and earth (Rev 21:22)...................v22 does not say it is the new heaven and earth but it is AS the new heavens and earth......plus it says WILL MAKE.....the main point is there seed and name will remain before him
BREAKING NEWS: The old covenant is gone forever. It is abolished in full. The redeemed belong to the new covenant. Christians are a spiritual priesthood today.
 
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I dont agree. This is current and ongoing. We are in the last days now.
I am not saying we are currently in the new earth. I was referring to mentions of OT prophecies where they say its the 1000 yr reign of Christ on the old earth, and I say it is the new earth the prophets spoke of.

Example

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

Acts 3
17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.
 

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To be honest I have not studied this in detail but what I understand is in the millennium there will be a temple and resumption of the sacrifices to cleanse all who have entered the kingdom physically and are subject to sin.....there are modifications to the old covenant temple sacrifices.
So, the blood of Christ is not enough for sinners to cleanse, forgive and sanctify. Sorry. That is heresy.
 

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I am not saying we are currently in the new earth. I was referring to mentions of OT prophecies where they say its the 1000 yr reign of Christ on the old earth, and I say it is the new earth the prophets spoke of.

Example

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

Acts 3
17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.
But Isa 2 and Micah 4 predict the last days now.
 

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[Isa 65:17 KJV] 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[Rev 21:1 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
What I am trying to say is that Isaiah 65 is describing the millennial kingdom...........Isaiah 65 say new HEAVENS.....Rev21 says new HEAVEN singular.....similar wording but not the same

Isaiah 65:20 people literally die ......not so in Rev 21
Both Isaiah 65:25 and Isaiah 11:6 say the wolf and lamb feed together.......Isaiah 11 says nothing about new heaven and earth

[Isa 65:17 KJV] 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[Rev 21:1 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
What I am trying to say is that Isaiah 65 is describing the millennial kingdom...........Isaiah 65 say new HEAVENS.....Rev21 says new HEAVEN singular.....similar wording but not the same

Isaiah 65:20 people literally die ......not so in Rev 21
Both Isaiah 65:25 and Isaiah 11:6 say the wolf and lamb feed together.......Isaiah 11 says nothing about new heaven and earth
Death is eliminated when Jesus comes. So will sin and sinners. Let us have a literal word-by-word look at the Hebrew pertaining to Isaiah 65:20.

לֹא־יִֽהְיֶ֨ה מִשָּׁ֜ם עֹ֗וד ע֤וּל יָמִים֙ וְזָקֵ֔ן אֲשֶׁ֥ר
Lo'- yihªyeh mishaam `owd `uwl yaamiym wªzaaqeen 'ªsher
Not be hence more an infant [of] days, an old man after


לֹֽא־יְמַלֵּ֖א אֶת־יָמָ֑יו כִּ֣י הַנַּ֗עַר בֶּן־מֵאָ֤ה שָׁנָה֙ יָמ֔וּת
Lo'- yªmalee''et- yaamaayw Kiy hana`ar ben- mee'aah shaanaah yaamuwt
Not fulfill your days inasmuch a child old an hundred years die


What is this telling us?

The exact same thing, only in different terms.

This is called synonymous parallelism. It is telling us that a child will never become old on the new earth. This line reinforces what has just been said. It confirms the thought of the impending reality of no more death in the eternal state for the righteous. In eternity there will be no more aging or dying. It is not going to be like our corrupt age where infants eventually get old. It will not be like the here-and-now where a man could live to be an old person of a hundred years of age and then die.

This passage is actually saying the opposite to what many think. What this is saying is: there will be no more aging, curse or death on the new earth. Every glorified saints will have come to full maturity in Christ with their new perfect eternal bodies. It is the next line of Isaiah 65:20 that has confused many, because the translators have not interpreted it in a literal word-for-word sense. It is not saying there will be more babies, death and old men. It is saying the opposite to what they are alleging. It is saying that there will be no more aging: children getting old, old people and people dying! It is describing eternity to an Old Testament audience in terms they can grasp.

The new heavens and new earth will indeed be a glorious victorious perfect state where death is unknown. God is saying that the eternal state will actually be free of death for young and old alike. This passage is telling us that there will be no more death on the new earth! The Hebrew word Lo' (Strong’s 3808) means “no” or “not.” The word is a simple negation. The word is found twice in this much-debated new heavens and new earth verse.

Debate in Isaiah 65:20 centers in on the use of the original word yaamuw meaning “die” or “death.” What should we relate it to? Is there indeed “death” on the new earth? Also, should the death be related to the “child” in the second phrase or the “sinner” in the third phrase? What is more, in what way should it read? I must admit, if we are to read it in its most natural way it fits perfectly with the context. So why change it? I believe it should be applied to the “child” as it should agree with the first phrase that is simply a reinforcement of the same truth. It then fits perfectly with the whole overall teaching of the prophet on the perfection and bliss of the eternal state.
 
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Peter disagrees with you in Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ (Acts 2:25-31).

The whole context here is expressly speaking about the One that would assume David's throne. It is speaking about the only One that could gloriously take it. Christ was that man. He was of course the promised offspring of David (the fruit of his loins). None else would take such a final place of authority. Christ was indeed the fulfilment of the Davidic promise. He now reigns supreme.

Christ already came physically and revealed the kingdom of God to Israel. The problem was, it just wasn't what they expected. The fact is the Messianic kingdom is here. Messiah has come. The kingdom is found everywhere Christ reigns in sovereign control. The kingdom is here on this earth now in the hearts of God's people (the Israel of God).

Peter shows us that Psalm 110:1 is currently being fulfilled since Christ destroyed the power of the grave, and ascended to the right hand of majesty on high. No objective Bible student could fail to see the focus and message of this narrative. This reading is concentrated upon the victory of the resurrection of Christ nearly 2,000 years ago and the resulting current kingly Messianic reign of Christ at “the right hand of God exalted” in heaven. It confirms that Israel’s Messiah now sits enthroned upon David’s throne, and locates the timing of His assumption of the same to after “the resurrection of Christ.” As Messiah, Christ fulfilled every human demand of Him, thus rightfully assuming the kingship of Israel through His impeccable life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection.
. Peter actually agrees with me .Let's look at the verse:

Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ

As anyone without a bias can clearly see...the verse states that Christ will sit upon the throne of David after He is resurrected. The throne of David is not some mystical metaphoric thing but an actual position that David himself occupied...the throne of Israel. This wasn't a spiritual symbol but a real throne. Jesus will occupy it for 1000 years during the millenial reign.

Act 2:25-31 concerns the resurrection of Christ before His body would see decay.

Ac 2:25-31
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his
soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
 

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sorry I am not clear......are you saying the new covenant is in effect today?
That's what Hebrews 8 is saying.

And Hebrews 9.

Hebrews 9 NASB
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the violations that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

And Jesus and Luke.

Luke 22 NASB
19 And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, which is being given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.

And Paul.

1 Corinthians 11 NASB
25 In the same way He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

2 Corinthians 3 NASB
5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
 
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BREAKING NEWS: The old covenant is gone forever. It is abolished in full. The redeemed belong to the new covenant. Christians are a spiritual priesthood today.
where does Paul say we are a spiritual priesthood
 

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So, the blood of Christ is not enough for sinners to cleanse, forgive and sanctify. Sorry. That is heresy.
I never said that the blood of Christ was not sufficient....Ezekiel says there will be sacrifices for reconciliation not me.....in the millennium there will be sinners who need to be purified and learn of sin and redemption
 

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Death is eliminated when Jesus comes. So will sin and sinners. Let us have a literal word-by-word look at the Hebrew pertaining to Isaiah 65:20.
I dont see that ......death and sin exist in the millennium but not the new heaven and earth
 

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. Peter actually agrees with me .Let's look at the verse:

Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ

As anyone without a bias can clearly see...the verse states that Christ will sit upon the throne of David after He is resurrected. The throne of David is not some mystical metaphoric thing but an actual position that David himself occupied...the throne of Israel. This wasn't a spiritual symbol but a real throne. Jesus will occupy it for 1000 years during the millenial reign.

Act 2:25-31 concerns the resurrection of Christ before His body would see decay.

Ac 2:25-31
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his
soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
As anyone without a bias can clearly see...the verse states that Christ will sit upon the throne of David after He is resurrected. The throne of David is not some mystical metaphoric thing but an actual position that David himself occupied...the throne of Israel. This wasn't a spiritual symbol but a real throne. Jesus will occupy it for 1000 years during the millenial reign.
Yes well said
 

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. Peter actually agrees with me .Let's look at the verse:

Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ

As anyone without a bias can clearly see...the verse states that Christ will sit upon the throne of David after He is resurrected. The throne of David is not some mystical metaphoric thing but an actual position that David himself occupied...the throne of Israel. This wasn't a spiritual symbol but a real throne. Jesus will occupy it for 1000 years during the millenial reign.

Act 2:25-31 concerns the resurrection of Christ before His body would see decay.

Ac 2:25-31
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his
soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Lol. Are your eyes painted on? This has already occurred at the resurrection. There is no room for Premils to twist it. It is crystal clear.
 
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different numbers of sacrifices
different measurements
no wash basin
no lampstand
no wall of partition
No table for shewbread
no vail
None of this means anything. I'm talking about the purpose of the animal sacrifices. Please address my point. Why would future animal sacrifices be needed for reconciliation when Jesus already made His "once for all" sacrifice for reconciliation?
 

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That's what Hebrews 8 is saying.

And Hebrews 9.

Hebrews 9 NASB
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the violations that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

And Jesus and Luke.

Luke 22 NASB
19 And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, which is being given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.

And Paul.

1 Corinthians 11 NASB
25 In the same way He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

2 Corinthians 3 NASB
5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
the first thing is the Bible translations change testament to covenant, but outside of that for the new covenant to be in place today Israel would have to be fully in their promised land......[Eze 36:28 KJV] 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
 

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I cant say anything more than it being for reconciliation........Israel will be back under the law as seen by the new covenant Jer 31:31 that may be a reason for sacrifices
Do you not understand that the new covenant was established by the blood of Christ long ago already? Please read Hebrews 8 to 10. You are showing a lack of understanding of what Jesus accomplished on the cross and what was the purpose of animal sacrifices. Hebrews 10 indicates that the animal sacrifices under the old covenant foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice. Once He made His sacrifice the old covenant animal sacrifices were made obsolete. The only sacrifice needed under the new covenant is Christ's sacrifice.
 
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