Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Spiritual Israelite]

Lord's pray. Your kingdom come as it is in heaven on earth.........

How does that say that His kingdom will be "of this world"? Do you know what it means to be "of this world"? We're in the world now, but scripture says that we're not of this world (John 17:11-14). You apparently think that His kingdom being of this world means His kingdom means it will be in this world, but it does not mean that since we are in this world now and, yet, are not of this world. We will never be of this world, because being of this world means to evil and sinful and means that you reject Christ. So, just as Jesus and His followers are not of this world and never will be, neither will His kingdom ever be of this world.

John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. 22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. 3 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Can you see here how Jesus said He was not of this world but those Jews who were rejecting Him were of this world? Jesus was in the world, so not being of this world has nothing to do with being in this world. It has to be with not being evil and sinful and not rejecting Christ. That's how someone is not of this world and how His kingdom is not of this world. We are in the world now and are in His kingdom now, but it is not of this world.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't shut down talking, I just move on.

You do what you feel you should do and I will do the same.

 

[covenantee]

Lord's pray. Your kingdom come as it is in heaven on earth.........

Matthew 6
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Present tense.
Already in full force and effect when written.

 

[Scott Downey]

Lord's pray. Your kingdom come as it is in heaven on earth.........

I view that in this way.

Mark 9:1

And He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power.”

Which would be the Holy Spirit poured out as Jesus taught, you will receive power, after He ascended, He sent the Holy Spirit. Refer to Acts 2 for example.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

Acts 1

Prologue​

1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which [a]He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many [b]infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

The Holy Spirit Promised​

4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Jesus Ascends to Heaven​

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

 

[claninja]

So, you think that the following passage, which references Psalm 2:8-9 in verse 15, is about Christ's death, resurrection and ascension?

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

I think revelation 19 follows the apocalyptic motif, and is not meant to be taken literally nor chronologically, as that is not the point of apocalyptic literature. It alludes to and combines passages like psalm 2 and Ezekiel 38/39 to display an ultra violent victory for Christ.

that being said - notice the end of the psalm 2:

Psalm 2: 9-12 (lxx) Thou shalt shepherd them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces as a potter’s vessel. 10 Now therefore understand, ye kings: be instructed, all ye that judge the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice in him with trembling. 12 Accept correction, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and ye should perish from the righteous way

I think this ending is the explanation of Christs authority to shepherd with a rod of iron, and to dash to pieces - serve the Lord and accept correction (shepherd) or perish (dash to pieces). This is where I think there is broader application.

• Herod, Pilate, the gentiles, and people of Israel raged and gathered together against Christ (crucifixion)
• Thou art my son whom I have begotten (resurrectection)
• Inherited the nations, has authority shepherds with a rod of iron and to dash to pieces (ascension)

So now because of this (death, resurrection, ascension) serve the Lord and accept correction or perish. With this in mind, revelation may allude to psalm 2 vs 1-2, but its main point is vs 10-12 - those who have not accepted correction, perishing.

 

[Davidpt]

So, you won't even apologize for the way you talked to me for no good reason by falsely accusing me of ignoring things that you now know that I did not ignore at all? Don't you know me better than that by now? I ignore NOTHING. If I talked to you the way you talked to me and then found out that what I said to you was completely inappropriate and completely misrepresented what you actually believe, I would apologize for that.

We're talking about post #4, correct? If yes, the only thing I see that I said in regards to ignoring anything was this---I guess we just ignore the 'now' recorded in that verse, right? And then this---Unless one is a Preterist, most of the rest of us see this pertaining to His 2nd coming being close and at the door, thus right around the corner. But let's just ignore this as well, this part---the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

And in both cases I was simply using it as an argument in general. Why can't someone say things like this in order to simply make a point, in order to present an argument? I can't help it if that's the way my mind operates. It is what is. Therefore, I should be apologizing for simply making an argument? Obviously, the way you are seeing what I am doing it is not the way I'm seeing what I am doing. I didn't realize that anyone, no matter who they are, should need to apologize for simply making a point, thus submitting an argument.

Let's keep in mind though, post #4 was submitted before post #5 was submitted. But now that post #5 makes your position clearer, I guess I least do owe you an apology for making some straw man arguments here and there, which you pointed out. I apologize for doing that.

But getting back to this ignore thing. You have to keep in mind that I'm attempting to prove that there will be a thousand year reign once Jesus returns, and that parables such as Luke 19 tend to prove it. Because, after all, no one can deny, not even Amils, that everything pertaining to that parable is meaning before 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled. And that that parable involves Jesus rewarding the faithful with authority over cities, whatever that might look like.

And that it makes zero sense, that once 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled, that the faithful followers maintain this same authority over cities for ever since there would be no time period at this point preventing them from having this authority forever. The keyword being 'authority', thus having authority over something.

Therefore, logically there has to be a period of time after Jesus gives them this authority and before 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled, in order to execute this authority, otherwise, this authority He gives them is all in vain, totally pointless, especially the fact this authority wouldn't be needed post the fulfilling of 1 Corinthians 15:28.

Where that takes place is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If it takes place on the earth it would have to be the new (renewed) earth because Jesus will be burning up this earth when He comes (2 Peter 3:10-12).

That would be my position since it certainly doesn't make sense that it could be referring to this same present earth at this point. But as to you, how can you even entertain this possibility when your position appears to be that there cannot even be any NHNE until the GWTJ has concluded first?

If per your view you see it being a possibility that Luke 19 can be involving Jesus doing this on the NHNE, how do you reconcile your view of the following with the following?

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death , neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me

 

[Scott Downey]

I think revelation 19 follows the apocalyptic motif, and is not meant to be taken literally nor chronologically, as that is not the point of apocalyptic literature. It alludes to and combines passages like psalm 2 and Ezekiel 38/39 to display an ultra violent victory for Christ.

that being said - notice the end of the psalm 2:

Psalm 2: 9-12 (lxx) Thou shalt shepherd them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces as a potter’s vessel. 10 Now therefore understand, ye kings: be instructed, all ye that judge the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice in him with trembling. 12 Accept correction, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and ye should perish from the righteous way

I think this ending is the explanation of Christs authority to shepherd with a rod of iron, and to dash to pieces - serve the Lord and accept correction (shepherd) or perish (dash to pieces). This is where I think there is broader application.

• Herod, Pilate, the gentiles, and people of Israel raged and gathered together against Christ (crucifixion)
• Thou art my son whom I have begotten (resurrectection)
• Inherited the nations, has authority shepherds with a rod of iron and to dash to pieces (ascension)

So now because of this (death, resurrection, ascension) serve the Lord and accept correction or perish. With this in mind, revelation may allude to psalm 2 vs 1-2, but its main point is vs 10-12 - those who have not accepted correction, perishing.

Jesus is the good shepherd, and does not use rebar rods on His sheep.
I don't divide that verse apart like you're doing, hitting with the iron rod is breaking the clay pot, meaning it is destroyed for any useful purposes. Such vessels are known as vessels of wrath.

Psalm 2 is a warning to the wicked they will perish, not be lovingly shepherded for eternal life.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[Wick Stick]

Sure, the world includes all them that are of the world. It also is everything the world is including it's dust.

But believers, we are not of the world and we will not share in the fate of the world. And Jesus does not pray for the world.

Just saying - if believers are 'not of the world' does that make us little green men from outer space? No...

So it stands to reason that where the quotation says 'world,' it doesn't exactly mean planet earth.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus said a lot about His sheep. and also the wolves.
I could see Christ as the good shepherd whacking the wolves out cold killing them using an iron rod.
A good shepherd defends the flock from the enemy.

 

[Scott Downey]

Just saying - if believers are 'not of the world' does that make us little green men from outer space? No...

So it stands to reason that where the quotation says 'world,' it doesn't exactly mean planet earth.

I tie it to the coming destruction of the world and them who are of the world, as the world after the fall in Eden is under the sway of the Devil.

1 John 5
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

 

[Zao is life]

Sorry, but I'm not interested in your lies. Read my post #5 in this thread and learn how to properly interpret John 18:36.

Let's not talk idly. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. -- Romans 14:17.

The kingdom of God is demonstrated not in idle talk but with power. -- 1 Corinthians 4:20:

But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has already come to you. --Matthew 12:28.

For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. --1 Corinthians 4:20

Mark 4
26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
27 And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.
28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full grain in the head.
29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.

30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?
31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:
32 But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. -- John 8:23.

My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now, of this present time [nyn], is my kingdom not from hence. -- John 18:36.

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign to the ages of the ages.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall shepherd [4165 ποιμαίνω poimaino] them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. -- Revelation 19:15.

And he who overcomes and keeps My works to the end, to him I will give power over the nations. And he will shepherd [4165 ποιμαίνω poimaino] them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter they will be broken to pieces, even as I received from My Father. And I will give him the Morning Star. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. (Rev.2:26-29). -- Revelation 2:26-29.

-- For some reason that Amillennialists will ignore, the Revelation speaks of the nations being shepherded - both by Christ and by those who overcome - following His return described in Revelation 19, where it is said He will smite the nations with the sword that proceeds out of His mouth, and then shepherd them with a rod of iron --

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. -- Revelation 3:18-22.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;

and they were alive [zao] and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection of the body [anastasis].

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. -- 1 Corinthians 15:22-23.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. -- 1 Corinthians 15:50.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection of the body [anastasis]: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. -- Revelation 20:4-6.

Why Amillennialists will keep speaking about the fact that Psalm 2 says that he will break the nations with a rod of iron, ignoring the fact that after Revelation says that He will smite the nations with the sword that proceeds from His mouth, it continues to say that He and those who overcome, will then shepherd the nations with a rod of iron,

is not something that "only Amillennialists will understand" - we can all see that Amillennialists will only see one half of biblical scripture whenever the half they don't see (or refuse to see) does not comply with Amillennial theology.

You only see half the scriptures half the time.

Scripture does not teach that the "thousand" years began 2,000 years ago and will come to a close with return of Christ. Paul speaks a lot about the kind of things that will cause someone not to inherit the Kingdom of God.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world -- Matthew 25:34.

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21/

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world -- Matthew 25:34.

So let's not talk idly. It means the Kingdom has come and is still coming.

 

[Davidpt]

Just saying - if believers are 'not of the world' does that make us little green men from outer space? No...

So it stands to reason that where the quotation says 'world,' it doesn't exactly mean planet earth.

It likely means in a sense such as the following.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


But once Jesus returns with the kingdom, one then should love this world since it will then be a new world wherein dwelleth righteousness, unlike the world currently. Maybe why He said, but now is my kingdom not from hence. But will that still be true once He returns with the kingdom, though?

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

The world has been corrupted by the Devil, the demons and the wicked live in and are now of the world

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

1 John 2:15
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

1 John 2:17
And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

There is a world to come, and it won't be this one.

Hebrews 2:5
For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels.

Hebrews 1

The Son Exalted Above Angels​

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says:

“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

10 And:

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;

12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

******************
An actual new earth is on the way, the world to come of which we speak, wherein dwells righteousness.
This old earth is full of unrighteousness.

 

[Zao is life]

11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;

12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

******************

You're employing eisegesis even regarding what Premillennialists believe - inserting into Premillennialism a non-belief in the fact that there is a new heavens and a new earth coming.

Your statement above proves no point at all, because all Premillennialist believe in a new heavens and new earth, and most Premillennialists believe it will follow the millennium - and all Amillennialists believe the same - that a new heavens and new earth will follow the millennium.

So your point above is a non-argument regarding when the millennium plays itself out.

 

[Davidpt]

Why Amillennialists will keep speaking about the fact that Psalm 2 says that he will break the nations with a rod of iron, ignoring the fact that after Revelation says that He will smite the nations with the sword that proceeds from His mouth, it continues to say that He and those who overcome, will then shepherd the nations with a rod of iron,

Speaking of Psalms 2.

Psalms 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.


What about this part---I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance. To then do what with His inheritance? What Amils conclude He does? Isn't verse 9 pertaining to these same heathen meant in verse 8, the heathen given Him as an inheritance? Generally speaking, do ppl generally destroy what they have inherited?

 

[Zao is life]

Speaking of Psalms 2.

Psalms 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.


What about this part---I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance. To then do what with His inheritance? What Amils conclude He does? Isn't verse 9 pertaining to these same heathen meant in verse 8, the heathen given Him as an inheritance? Generally speaking, do ppl generally destroy what they have inherited?

No, no one destroys what he has inherited, but again, Amils see only that half of biblical scripture that their minds can see once Amilllennialism has covered scripture in the thick fog of Amil theology.

 

[Zao is life]

It likely means in a sense such as the following.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


But once Jesus returns with the kingdom, one then should love this world since it will then be a new world wherein dwelleth righteousness, unlike the world currently. Maybe why He said, but now is my kingdom not from hence. But will that still be true once He returns with the kingdom, though?

I agree. It's so easy to understand why Jesus said we should not love this present world. If we do we will end up loving a lot of the evil things this world has to offer us. If His Kingdom were of this world NOW, then we would not be seeing any of the evil we see. We could go on and on ..

 

[grafted branch]

Jesus said a lot about His sheep. and also the wolves.
I could see Christ as the good shepherd whacking the wolves out cold killing them using an iron rod.
A good shepherd defends the flock from the enemy.

The Premils seem to be saying the ruling with the rod of iron takes place in the millennium, not happening now. Your comment about the good Shepherd defending the flock by whacking the wolves would have to be taking place in an Amil millennium (currently), right? If so then wouldn’t that place the Revelation 19:15 statement about ruling with a rod of iron as already being fulfilled?

 

[Scott Downey]

The Premils seem to be saying the ruling with the rod of iron takes place in the millennium, not happening now. Your comment about the good Shepherd defending the flock by whacking the wolves would have to be taking place in an Amil millennium (currently), right? If so then wouldn’t that place the Revelation 19:15 statement about ruling with a rod of iron as already being fulfilled?

I certainly view this happening on the Day of Vengeance of our God when Christ returns.

If you live a godly life in this world, you will be subject to some tribulation from this world. Though God can and does limit it for some.

Herod dies of worms, as a judgment from God for his attack on the church and not giving God the glory.

Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four [a]squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

Peter Freed from Prison​

5 Peter was therefore kept in prison, but [b]constant prayer was offered to God for him by the church. 6 And when Herod was about to bring him out, that night Peter was sleeping, bound with two chains between two soldiers; and the guards before the door were [c]keeping the prison. 7 Now behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him, and a light shone in the prison; and he struck Peter on the side and raised him up, saying, “Arise quickly!” And his chains fell off his hands. 8 Then the angel said to him, “Gird yourself and tie on your sandals”; and so he did. And he said to him, “Put on your garment and follow me.” 9 So he went out and followed him, and did not know that what was done by the angel was real, but thought he was seeing a vision. 10 When they were past the first and the second guard posts, they came to the iron gate that leads to the city, which opened to them of its own accord; and they went out and went down one street, and immediately the angel departed from him.

11 And when Peter had come to himself, he said, “Now I know for certain that the Lord has sent His angel, and has delivered me from the hand of Herod and from all the expectation of the Jewish people.”

12 So, when he had considered this, he came to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose surname was Mark, where many were gathered together praying. 13 And as Peter knocked at the door of the gate, a girl named Rhoda came to answer. 14 When she recognized Peter’s voice, because of her gladness she did not open the gate, but ran in and announced that Peter stood before the gate. 15 But they said to her, “You are beside yourself!” Yet she kept insisting that it was so. So they said, “It is his angel.”

16 Now Peter continued knocking; and when they opened the door and saw him, they were astonished. 17 But motioning to them with his hand to keep silent, he declared to them how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. And he said, “Go, tell these things to James and to the brethren.” And he departed and went to another place.

18 Then, as soon as it was day, there was no small [d]stir among the soldiers about what had become of Peter. 19 But when Herod had searched for him and not found him, he examined the guards and commanded that they should be put to death.

And he went down from Judea to Caesarea, and stayed there.

Herod’s Violent Death​

20 Now Herod had been very angry with the people of Tyre and Sidon; but they came to him with one accord, and having made Blastus [e]the king’s personal aide their friend, they asked for peace, because their country was [f]supplied with food by the king’s country.

21 So on a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat on his throne and gave an oration to them. 22 And the people kept shouting, “The voice of a god and not of a man!” 23 Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and [g]died.

24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.

Barnabas and Saul Appointed​

25 And Barnabas and Saul returned [h]from Jerusalem when they had fulfilled their ministry, and they also took with them John whose surname was Mark.

 

[grafted branch]

I certainly view this happening on the Day of Vengeance of our God when Christ returns.

If you live a godly life in this world, you will be subject to some tribulation from this world. Though God can and does limit it for some.

Herod dies of worms, as a judgment from God for his attack on the church and not giving God the glory.

Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four [a]squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

Peter Freed from Prison​

5 Peter was therefore kept in prison, but [b]constant prayer was offered to God for him by the church. 6 And when Herod was about to bring him out, that night Peter was sleeping, bound with two chains between two soldiers; and the guards before the door were [c]keeping the prison. 7 Now behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him, and a light shone in the prison; and he struck Peter on the side and raised him up, saying, “Arise quickly!” And his chains fell off his hands. 8 Then the angel said to him, “Gird yourself and tie on your sandals”; and so he did. And he said to him, “Put on your garment and follow me.” 9 So he went out and followed him, and did not know that what was done by the angel was real, but thought he was seeing a vision. 10 When they were past the first and the second guard posts, they came to the iron gate that leads to the city, which opened to them of its own accord; and they went out and went down one street, and immediately the angel departed from him.

11 And when Peter had come to himself, he said, “Now I know for certain that the Lord has sent His angel, and has delivered me from the hand of Herod and from all the expectation of the Jewish people.”

12 So, when he had considered this, he came to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose surname was Mark, where many were gathered together praying. 13 And as Peter knocked at the door of the gate, a girl named Rhoda came to answer. 14 When she recognized Peter’s voice, because of her gladness she did not open the gate, but ran in and announced that Peter stood before the gate. 15 But they said to her, “You are beside yourself!” Yet she kept insisting that it was so. So they said, “It is his angel.”

16 Now Peter continued knocking; and when they opened the door and saw him, they were astonished. 17 But motioning to them with his hand to keep silent, he declared to them how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. And he said, “Go, tell these things to James and to the brethren.” And he departed and went to another place.

18 Then, as soon as it was day, there was no small [d]stir among the soldiers about what had become of Peter. 19 But when Herod had searched for him and not found him, he examined the guards and commanded that they should be put to death.

And he went down from Judea to Caesarea, and stayed there.

Herod’s Violent Death​

20 Now Herod had been very angry with the people of Tyre and Sidon; but they came to him with one accord, and having made Blastus [e]the king’s personal aide their friend, they asked for peace, because their country was [f]supplied with food by the king’s country.

21 So on a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat on his throne and gave an oration to them. 22 And the people kept shouting, “The voice of a god and not of a man!” 23 Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and [g]died.

24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.

Barnabas and Saul Appointed​

25 And Barnabas and Saul returned [h]from Jerusalem when they had fulfilled their ministry, and they also took with them John whose surname was Mark.

Ok, after His future coming, why is the rod of iron needed? The unsaved would be in the LOF and there is no sorrow, crying, or pain in the NHNE.