Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Spiritual Israelite]

It has broad application to how the heathen resist and fight against Christ.

Right. When we keep reading from there it shows how Christ will one day destroy the heathen with His rod of iron.

 

[claninja]

It has broad application to how the heathen resist and fight against Christ.

The problem with making it broader, is vs 28 —> “They” carried out “what had been decided before hand”.

“What had been decided beforehand” was the nations raging and the kings and rulers of the earth standing against God and his anointed - in other words, Christ being crucified was decided beforehand.

The “they” that carried this out was - Herod, Pilate, the gentiles, and peoples of Israel.

According to acts 4, this prophecy is about the crucifixion, so since it is not applied in a broader sense in this passage, i disagree with your position. Unless, you have any NT passages that clearly, in non symbolic or apocalyptic language, apply it more broadly?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The problem with making it broader, is vs 28 —> “They” carried out “what had been decided before hand”.

“What had been decided beforehand” was the nations raging and the kings and rulers of the earth standing against God and his anointed - in other words, Christ being crucified was decided beforehand.

The “they” that carried this out was - Herod, Pilate, the gentiles, and peoples of Israel.

According to acts 4, this prophecy is about the crucifixion, so since it is not applied in a broader sense in this passage, i disagree with your position. Unless, you have any NT passages that clearly, in non symbolic or apocalyptic language, apply it more broadly?

Do you not see any relation between the first few verses of Psalm 2 and Psalm 2:7-9? Do you think Psalm 2:7-9 is about the crucifixion, too?

 

[Zao is life]

Do you not see any relation between the first few verses of Psalm 2 and Psalm 2:7-9? Do you think Psalm 2:7-9 is about the crucifixion, too?

His interpretation is based upon the fact that he only sees half of scripture half of the time. It's a symptom of the Amillennialist way of interpreting biblical scripture regarding the Kingdom of Christ. You all do it, just not all with the same passages.

 

[claninja]

Do you not see any relation between the first few verses of Psalm 2 and Psalm 2:7-9? Do you think Psalm 2:7-9 is about the crucifixion, too?

I definitely think there is relation.

Psalm 2:1-2 about the crucifixion

Psalm 2:7 fulfilled in the resurrection

• Acts 13:33 this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you.’

Psalm 2:8-9, Christ already received that authority - death, resurrection, ascension.

• Revelation 2:27 27and he will rulec them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I definitely think there is relation.

Psalm 2:1-2 about the crucifixion

Psalm 2:7 fulfilled in the resurrection

• Acts 13:33 this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you.’

Psalm 2:8-9, Christ already received that authority - death, resurrection, ascension.

• Revelation 2:27 27and he will rulec them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.

So, you think that the following passage, which references Psalm 2:8-9 in verse 15, is about Christ's death, resurrection and ascension?

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[Zao is life]

The problem with making it broader, is vs 28 —> “They” carried out “what had been decided before hand”.

“What had been decided beforehand” was the nations raging and the kings and rulers of the earth standing against God and his anointed - in other words, Christ being crucified was decided beforehand.

The “they” that carried this out was - Herod, Pilate, the gentiles, and peoples of Israel.

According to acts 4, this prophecy is about the crucifixion, so since it is not applied in a broader sense in this passage, i disagree with your position. Unless, you have any NT passages that clearly, in non symbolic or apocalyptic language, apply it more broadly?

So according to your interpretation of scripture He destroyed the heathen with an iron rod at that time.

Yet Rome continued to exist. So did Judea, until 70AD, and today the Jews exist in another part of the territory and call the place Israel.

When did He destroy the heathen?

Christ has come, and is coming. The Kingdom of Christ is come, and His Kingdom is coming. But as a Preterist you have Christ as having come, and then having come in His Kingdom in 70 AD (though you may say you're a "Partial" Preterist who does not believe that He has already returned, but then contradict yourself with the way you interpret Psalm 2).

Psalm 2 is a near -and - far prophecy that has an application for more than one period in time, specifically because Messiah came but was cut off, departed (ascended into heaven) and will return, and His Kingdom likewise is now IN this world but is not OF this world. But you won't understand that because of Amillennialism + your own brand of it.

 

[Scott Downey]

So, you won't even apologize for the way you talked to me for no good reason by falsely accusing me of ignoring things that you now know that I did not ignore at all? Don't you know me better than that by now? I ignore NOTHING. If I talked to you the way you talked to me and then found out that what I said to you was completely inappropriate and completely misrepresented what you actually believe, I would apologize for that.


Because Jesus never said that He would ever rule over an earthly kingdom. He only ever said that His kingdom is not earthly. It did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). What is hard to understand about that? Where did He ever say that He would rule over an earthly kingdom? He never did.


Where that takes place is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If it takes place on the earth it would have to be the new (renewed) earth because Jesus will be burning up this earth when He comes (2 Peter 3:10-12). Compare that Luke 19 parable to Matthew 25:31-46. What happens first at the judgment after Jesus comes? The sheep, representing believers, are told to inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world. And they will be immortal since we know believers will all be changed to have immortal bodies when Jesus comes. At that same time, the goats, representing unbelievers, will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt 25:41). With me so far? So, compare Matthew 25:41 to Luke 19:27. They are talking about the same thing.

So, tell me who are the mortals at this point that you think will populate the earth, keeping in mind that believers all have mortal bodies at this point and unbelievers are all cast into the fire at this point?



Sure, let's say He returns to the earth then. Who cares? That is completely besides the point I'm making. That proves NOTHING in relation to whether Amill or Premill is true. What we need to discuss is what happens at that point when He returns? He reigns over people for a thousand years as you believe? How? Who would those people be exactly, keeping in mind what I said above?


I don't know what your point is exactly in relation to 1 Corinthians 15:28. Can you elaborate on that? That verse is related to Jesus delivering the kingdom to the Father. Obviously, the judgment would have to take place first before He does that. So? I'm not seeing your point here as it relates to that verse.


Good grief, man. You focus so much on things that are irrelevant. Okay, sure, let's say He returns to earth. So what? What is the earth like at that point and what happens at that point? That's what we are discussing here.


LOL. what foolishness? Stop your own foolishness and address the topic at hand which is regarding what happens when Jesus returns. You're so focused on trying to prove He returns to earth that you forgot you're supposed to be showing that He supposedly rules on the earth for a thousand years at that point .Where are you doing anything to show that?


Yes, those things that don't do anything to support your Premill view at all, which is such a waste of time.


Hello? Have I ever said that He doesn't set foot on earth again? No. What have I said many times? I know you forget a lot of what I say, so let me remind you. I have said many times that I believe He will renew this earth, making it the new (renewed) earth. So, I say that He will not set foot on this earth as we know it again, but I don't say He won't set foot on the earth again at all. He will set foot on the earth again after He renews it by fire first (2 Peter 3:10-13).


Okay, stop wasting time on that and show me where any of this means that He has to rule on earth for a thousand years at that point.

He refuses to even admit that all the wicked, unbelieving, and those who do not obey the gospel are killed at the return of Christ, as do many other pr-mills, even though it clearly stats that in the scriptures. These pre - mills talk about survivors who survive the return of Christ even though they are ungodly persons. You are basically trying to turn a cult believer to the truth who continually refuses New Testament scripture written by the Holy Spirit.
They must have that doctrine for their false theology to function of Christ and His people ruling over stubborn evil people, Satan followers in their 1000 year reign in the flesh, striking them with a rod of iron and dashing them to pieces continuously while they get to keep on resisting the Holy Spirit.

Exactly why Christ tells us we are to wipe the dust of them off our feet, as there is no peace there in that place as in reality you are wasting your time with them. We are not required to continue with them by Christ.

3 Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5 But whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

10 But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 ‘The very dust of your city which clings to [b]us we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you.’ 12 [c]But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city.

 

[Scott Downey]

With destructions that have happened, God has stated this, that He will not strive with man forever, but He sets a time for their destruction.
in v3, 120 years and then the flood will come. Ninevah got 40 days to repent. There was no repentance found or allowed for those of Noah's day.

Peter even said God was longsuffering towards us, not wishing for any to perish, (actually for the foreknown sheep to be saved) but He appointed a DAY when Christ will judge the world in righteousness. Which means at the return of Christ, this is the Day of vengeance of God on the unbelieving. There will be no additional 1000 years offered to man in the flesh to continue on resisting the Holy Spirit.


Genesis 6

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were [b]giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then [c]the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent[d] of the thoughts of his heart was only evil [e]continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

2 Thess 1
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

His interpretation is based upon the fact that he only sees half of scripture half of the time. It's a symptom of the Amillennialist way of interpreting biblical scripture regarding the Kingdom of Christ. You all do it, just not all with the same passages.

Sorry, but I'm not interested in your lies. Read my post #5 in this thread and learn how to properly interpret John 18:36.

 

[covenantee]

You only see half of biblical scripture half of the time so I'm not surprised you never saw the part of my post mentioning it. Not going to repeat it.

But you will only misinterpret - change the meaning - of Biblical scripture to ensure scripture complies with your Preterist Amil theology so it's useless anyway because according to you and all other Amillennialists Christ will never inherit the nations as His Kingdom because He "already has" (even though He said His Kingdom is not now of this world), and according to you the kingdoms of this world will never become the Kingdoms of Christ because they "already are".

Your Amil friend here has already made it known that the meaning of the scriptures talking about Christ's Kingdom vs. the kingdoms of this world has been changed by Amillennialists to mean what they do not mean, and you agreed with his posts. So it's no use.

Thanks for your confirmation that no Scripture tells us that His Kingdom will be "of this world".

 

[ScottA]

1. 
   John 18:36
   Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

The heathen are still raging and fighting against the Father and the Son.
The only time they can no longer fight is when we get new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
Even pre-mills admit there is evil rebellion of the wicked and Satan during their earthly millennial reign.

Psalm 2
.
Why do the [a]nations [b]rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

Matthew 28:18​

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.​

Which is not to say there will be a thousand year reign of Christ on earth--that is not what is meant by a thousand year reign on earth.

I have said this many times: "Thousand" in scripture often means: Forever.

Thus, John 18:36 and Matthew 28:18 are reconciled as both meaning: Christ was given authority over the earth forever. That's it!

But men of flesh and blood and time--and of this world, have translated and taught their own errored understanding. In other words, the scriptures are not wrong, but many have been wrong in their interpretation of them. Again, that's it! Even so, the times of their folly were to come to and end, and have come. These are the times foretold when the restraints of words sealed are to be revealed finishing the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets.

 

[Scott Downey]

Matthew 28:18​

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.​

Which is not to say there will be a thousand year reign of Christ on earth--that is not what is meant by a thousand year reign on earth.

I have said this many times: "Thousand" in scripture often means: Forever.

Thus, John 18:36 and Matthew 28:18 are reconciled as both meaning: Christ was given authority over the earth forever. That's it!

But men of flesh and blood and time--and of this world, have translated and taught their own errored understanding. In other words, the scriptures are not wrong, but many have been wrong in their interpretation of them. Again, that's it! Even so, the times of their folly were to come to and end, and have come. These are the times foretold when the restraints of words sealed are to be revealed finishing the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Thousand years means a long indeterminate period of time. Only God knows the ending of that time.
Thousand cattle on a thousand hills means a whole lot of cattle too
It signifies a very large number.
10 thousands of His saints, means also a very large number, not just ten thousand.

Jude describes what happens to all the ungodly when Christ returns, No survivors, they are marked out for condemnation.
God destroys those who do not believe.

Greeting to the Called​

1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,

To those who are called, [a]sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:

2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.

Contend for the Faith​

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord [b]God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Old and New Apostates​

5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of [e]dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in [f]contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

Apostates Depraved and Doomed​

12 These are [g]spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried [h]about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying,

“Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

Apostates Predicted​

16 These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. 17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. 19 These are [i]sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.

Maintain Your Life with God​

20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And on some have compassion, [j]making a distinction; 23 but others save [k]with fear, pulling them out of the [l]fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You only see half of biblical scripture half of the time so I'm not surprised you never saw the part of my post mentioning it. Not going to repeat it.

But you will only misinterpret - change the meaning - of Biblical scripture to ensure scripture complies with your Preterist Amil theology so it's useless anyway because according to you and all other Amillennialists Christ will never inherit the nations as His Kingdom because He "already has" (even though He said His Kingdom is not now of this world), and according to you the kingdoms of this world will never become the Kingdoms of Christ because they "already are".

You are basically saying that all Amills believe Revelation 11:15 is already fulfilled and that is absolutely not true! I certainly do not believe that. Only partial preterist Amills believe that. Don't lump all Amills together like this. That is completely disingenuous and not fair to non-preterist Amills like me.

You misinterpret what it means for Christ's kingdom to not be of this world. I'm sure you are aware that Jesus said He and His followers are not of this world (John 17:14-18). Do you think that means we are not of this world now, but one day we will be? Which would mean one day we would be like the ones Jesus described here:

John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. 22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. 23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Jesus equated being of this world with being sinful and with rejecting Him. That's why He said He is not of this world and His followers are not of this world. It means that we are not evil and sinful and we don't reject Christ. His kingdom not being of this world should be understood similarly. It is not evil and sinful like an earthly/worldly kingdom, so it is not of this world in that sense. It is instead spiritual and heavenly in nature. It will never be of this world just as Jesus Himself and His followers will never be of this world.

 

[Scott Downey]

12 These are [g]spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves.

They are clouds without water, carried [h]about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;.

13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

The above shows us they are truly already prepared as vessels of His wrath

Malachi 4 and the Great Day of the Lord
Elijah described here was john the Baptist, who prepared the way for the Lord Christ.

The Great Day of God​

1 “For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“That will leave them neither root nor branch.

2 But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.

3 You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,”
Says the Lord of hosts.

4 “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

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Matthew 11
7 As they departed, Jesus began to say to the multitudes concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8 But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in soft garments? Indeed, those who wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses. 9 But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and more than a prophet. 10 For this is he of whom it is written:

‘Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.’
11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

16 “But to what shall I liken this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their companions, 17 and saying:

‘We played the flute for you,
And you did not dance;
We mourned to you,
And you did not [b]lament.’
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a [c]winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her [d]children.”

Woe to the Impenitent Cities​

20 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent:

21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.

23 And you, Capernaum, who[e] are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.”

Jesus Gives True Rest​

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [f]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

 

[Wick Stick]

1. 
   John 18:36
   Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

You've understood the word 'world' in the verse to mean the earth. That's understandable - it's the modern meaning of the word.

However, I don't think that's the right meaning. The word there translated world means something like 'the order of things.'

 

[soberxp]

What Scripture tells us that His Kingdom will be "of this world"?

Lord's pray. Your kingdom come as it is in heaven on earth.........

 

[Scott Downey]

You've understood the word 'world' in the verse to mean the earth. That's understandable - it's the modern meaning of the word.

However, I don't think that's the right meaning. The word there translated world means something like 'the order of things.'

Sure, the world includes all them that are of the world. It also is everything the world is including it's dust.

But believers, we are not of the world and we will not share in the fate of the world. And Jesus does not pray for the world.

Proverbs 8:26
While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields, Or the primal dust of the world.

Jeremiah 51:15
He has made the earth by His power; He has established the world by His wisdom, And stretched out the heaven by His understanding.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Acts 17:24
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He refuses to even admit that all the wicked, unbelieving, and those who do not obey the gospel are killed at the return of Christ, as do many other pr-mills, even though it clearly stats that in the scriptures. These pre - mills talk about survivors who survive the return of Christ even though they are ungodly persons. You are basically trying to turn a cult believer to the truth who continually refuses New Testament scripture written by the Holy Spirit.
They must have that doctrine for their false theology to function of Christ and His people ruling over stubborn evil people, Satan followers in their 1000 year reign in the flesh, striking them with a rod of iron and dashing them to pieces continuously while they get to keep on resisting the Holy Spirit.

Exactly why Christ tells us we are to wipe the dust of them off our feet, as there is no peace there in that place as in reality you are wasting your time with them. We are not required to continue with them by Christ.

3 Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5 But whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

10 But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 ‘The very dust of your city which clings to [b]us we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you.’ 12 [c]But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city.

All of the Premills here are that way but it doesn't stop you from talking to some of them. Why do you talk to any of them if it's all just a waste of time? I'll tell you why I do. It's not for them. It's for the lurkers out there who read these discussions. Those with open minds can see that our arguments are far stronger than theirs and they can learn from us.

 

[Scott Downey]

All of the Premills here are that way but it doesn't stop you from talking to some of them. Why do you talk to any of them if it's all just a waste of time? I'll tell you why I do. It's not for them. It's for the lurkers out there who read these discussions. Those with open minds can see that our arguments are far stronger than theirs and they can learn from us.

I don't shut down talking, I just move on.