James Was Not Talking about Faith in Jesus Christ for Salvation

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Do you believe a believer loses salvation when they sin or they are in danger of losing salvation when they sin?

What does God say about this?

Here's what the Bible says.

Hebrews 7:23-25 KJV
23) And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24) But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Romans 8:31-34 KJV
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

So you tell me . . . who is he that condemns? Because Jesus, Who has been declared the judge of Humanity, is our Intercessor.

Much love!

 

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ount of time and you tell this to a child and never see them again, they could potentially turn out to be the next George Sodini who murdered a bunch of people and killed himself all while thinking Jesus had forgiven him of these sins.

Hypotheticals are a fiction, not real, and you can turn them any direction you wish.

When you know the truth, the truth will set you free. And he whom the Son sets free, is free indeed!

Much love!

 

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What does God say about this?

Here's what the Bible says.

Hebrews 7:23-25 KJV
23) And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24) But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Romans 8:31-34 KJV
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

So you tell me . . . who is he that condemns? Because Jesus, Who has been declared the judge of Humanity, is our Intercessor.

Much love!

In an LA Fitness Gym in Pennsylvania on August 4, 2009, a man named George Sodini fired 50 rounds into an aerobic class before turning the gun on himself. The shooting resulted four deaths (including Sodini himself) and nine injured. George Sodini was a member of the Tetelestai Church where he sat quietly for many years, listening to the deceptions of his preacher. Talking about the pastor of his Church, Sodini wrote in his blog dated Dec. 31, 2008,

“this guy” (Alan “Rick” Knapp) “teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder then still go to heaven. Ask him.“

And in a post dated August 3, 2009, Sodini said;

“Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for every sin, so how can I or you be judged by GOD for a sin when the penalty was already paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.

After the horrible incident in Pennsylvania, Pastor Knapp’s deacon, Jack Rickard commented on Sodini’s death and said;

“George is going to heaven, but he’s not going to get his rewards,” (SOURCE )

Kenneth Nally, another believer of this unscrupulous doctrine, committed suicide in 1980 after he was taught that even self-murder would not stop a person once saved from going to heaven. Definitely! This kind of belief would reclaim many people to Satan, the author of all lies and abominations.

I also remembered a certain time when I tried to ask a Born Again pastor who preaches about the assured salvation. I asked him, “Pastor. If doing good works is unnecessary for salvation so that I decided to cease from giving my tithes, am I still saved?” The pastor answered and said, “Definitely not, son. If you will cease from giving your tithes and offerings, you will become a robber, because the Bible said, ‘ye rob God’.” See??? Born Again and many Baptist and Evangelical pastors who hold this kind of shameful doctrine are just after to our tithes! They don’t care about our salvation. They don’t care whether we will become evil or not, but what matters most is our money. They telling their members that in salvation, good works are unnecessary things, except the giving of tithes and donations!

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O.S.A.S. – THE WATCHMAN'S CRY

 

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Hypotheticals are a fiction, not real, and you can turn them any direction you wish.

When you know the truth, the truth will set you free. And he whom the Son sets free, is free indeed!

Much love!

I’ve talked with OSAS folk who said to me in person and online that they can mow down a crowd with a sub machine gun and be saved while doing so. Is this also what you believe? Do you believe George Sodini was saved?

 

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I’ve talked with OSAS folk who said to me in person and online that they can mow down a crowd with a sub machine gun and be saved while doing so. Is this also what you believe? Do you believe George Sodini was saved?

And I've met people who spout all sorts of nonsense, and here too. Hypothetical situations are fictional and meaningless. Judging someone's relationship with God is foolishness.

Are we discussing anecdotes? Or Scripture?

It seems to me that for you, our works determine our salvation status, is that fair to say? It must be I should think! You are reconciled by faith, but that reconciliation can be undone by your bad behavior, is that correct?

Much love!

 

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I’ve talked with OSAS folk who said to me in person and online that they can mow down a crowd with a sub machine gun and be saved while doing so. Is this also what you believe? Do you believe George Sodini was saved?

What does God say about this?

Here's what the Bible says.

Hebrews 7:23-25 KJV
23) And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24) But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Romans 8:31-34 KJV
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

So you tell me . . . who is he that condemns? Because Jesus, Who has been declared the judge of Humanity, is our Intercessor.

Much love!

 

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Wow. We truly are living in the last days.

2 Timothy 3:1-9 says:
[1] “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, [3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, [4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. [6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, [7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. [8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. [9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.”

Jesus says in Matthew 5:28-30:
[28] “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. [29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. [30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.”

Paul states in 1 Timothy 6:3-4:
[3] “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [4] He is proud, knowing nothing,…”

James 4:6 basically says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

 

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Wow. We truly are living in the last days.

Why are you ignoring my post? And instead just disparage me?

This is so common, I find, that many people I engage with in discussing the Scriptures, we get to a point where they disregard the passages I post, and start to denigrate me.

That makes for very poor discussion in my opinion.

"If a Christian is a mass murderer, is he still a Christian?" This question makes your works the determiner of your are reborn, but Biblically, faith is the determiner.

Your hypothetical situation is that a Christian is a mass murderer, but that's just your hypothetical situation - a fiction, not reality. And no matter what someone answers to an hypothetical situation, you can just drop in more hypothetical qualifications, it's putty in your hand. Not real.

The Bible is real.

Much love!

 

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Why are you ignoring my post?

Much love!

I am busy and I limited on time and can only give brief replies. So why do you not reply to my recent post? Matthew 5:28-30. How do you understand that passage? It appears to contradict your sin and still be saved type belief you have acknowledged to. What about 1 Timothy 6:3-4? James 4:6?

How do you see your George Sodini belief not being a contradiction with a normal reading on Jude 1:4 and 1 Timothy 3:1-9?

 

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I am busy and I limited on time and can only give brief replies. So why do you not reply to my recent post? Matthew 5:28-30. How do you understand that passage? It appears to contradict your sin and still be saved type belief you have acknowledged to. What about 1 Timothy 6:3-4? James 4:6?

How do you see your George Sodini belief not being a contradiction with a normal reading on Jude 1:4 and 1 Timothy 3:1-9?

Naw. You've been skipping past what I've written for a while now.

And the passages I've quoted are explicit. There's nothing that "seems like" anything, they are plain and bold.

Much love!

 

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Wow. We truly are living in the last days.

And this tells me a lot about how you go about your debates.

Much love!

 

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Patience! You haven't even posed a question or assertion, at least that I recall, only, you have to deal with the passage. OK.

Matthew 5:28-30 KJV
28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

OK, what specifically are you asking me?

Is this passage teaching that those who were baptized into Jesus Christ's death, who have been recreated in God's pattern, God's spirit children, that God may cast them into hell? Is that what you are asking me?

Much love!

I was asking you about this passage for a while now and you avoided explaining it. Tell me how your “Sin and still be saved George Sodini belief” works with this passage? Keep in mind God is not a respecter of persons (According to Scripture).

 

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I was asking you about this passage for a while now and you avoided explaining it

I think I've addressed this a couple of times, but hey, it gets long and maybe you or I missed something.

My preferred way is that you would quote the passage, and ask a particular question regarding it.

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Patience! You haven't even posed a question or assertion, at least that I recall, only, you have to deal with the passage. OK.

Matthew 5:28-30 KJV
28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

OK, what specifically are you asking me?

Is this passage teaching that those who were baptized into Jesus Christ's death, who have been recreated in God's pattern, God's spirit children, that God may cast them into hell? Is that what you are asking me?

Much love!

 

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Naw. You've been skipping past what I've written for a while now.

And the passages I've quoted are explicit. There's nothing that "seems like" anything, they are plain and bold.

Much love!

People have lives and they can many times be too busy to give a proper lengthy reply on a computer in the comfort of their own home.

 

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I think I've addressed this a couple of times, but hey, it gets long and maybe you or I missed something.

My preferred way is that you would quote the passage, and ask a particular question regarding it.

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Patience! You haven't even posed a question or assertion, at least that I recall, only, you have to deal with the passage. OK.

Matthew 5:28-30 KJV
28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

OK, what specifically are you asking me?

Is this passage teaching that those who were baptized into Jesus Christ's death, who have been recreated in God's pattern, God's spirit children, that God may cast them into hell? Is that what you are asking me?

Much love!

Asking a question is not an explanation. How do you see this passage as not applying to believers today or how do you explain it in light of your George Sodini belief?

 

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I was asking you about this passage for a while now and you avoided explaining it. Tell me how your “Sin and still be saved George Sodini belief” works with this passage? Keep in mind God is not a respecter of persons (According to Scripture).

I've never met George, I know nothing about George, and I'm not interested in George, or other anecdotal stories. I'm interested in discussing the Bible, and what God tells us in it. I'm not into philosophical arguments, or hypothetical speculations, or that sort of thing.

Much love!

 

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People have lives and they can many times be too busy to give a proper lengthy reply on a computer in the comfort of their own home.

No worries! All at your own speed.

Much love!

 

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And this tells me a lot about how you go about your debates.

Much love!

I have given an extreme in-depth reply to Christian’s posts on a wide variety of topics on various different Christian forums. I have responded to people’s post many times in great detail without missing a beat (or post). You can check my track record to confirm this at ChristianForms.com. This to me is an old topic and I have debated against this false belief with many for 12 years approximately.

When I have the proper time, I will explain the verses you put forth if allow me time to catch up from your previous lengthy posts. Now I cannot give a proper reply to lengthy posts.

 

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of your George Sodini belief?

What is this? I don't have a "george belief".

Again . . . I'm not responding to hypotheticals or anecdotes.

Much love!

 

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I have given an extreme in-depth reply to Christian’s posts on a wide variety of topics on various different Christian forums. I have responded to people’s post many times in great detail without missing a beat (or post). You can check my track record to confirm this at ChristianForms.com. This to me is an old topic and I have debated against this false belief with many for 12 years approximately.

When I have the proper time, I will explain the verses you put forth if allow me time to catch up from your previous lengthy posts. Now I cannot give a proper reply to lengthy posts.

Ok, again, no worries! You know what I'm about, and that I like to stay on point in the Bible.

I'll leave you to get caught up or not as you wish.

Much love!