I pray God give you soon relief! That He will accomplish His plans through the pain you endure, that you will have patience to endure, that you will see the blessedness in your life, to the glory of God!
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It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial
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MA2444
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Then I will again say . . . the wrath that all the redeemed are saved from is not the wrath of the plagues during the 70th Week, rather it's the wrath of final judgment.
Otherwise, you'd have to have Paul and Peter and all the other believers, resurrected onto the earth to be there for the plagues.
We simply need to pay attention to every word in the passage, holding each as a serious part of what God is telling us.
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In fact, this is not true. If it were, you'd quote the passage. But this statement does not -does not - appear in Scripture.
Much love!
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Something to ponder/meditate on: the 70th Week came when JESUS was born and we are still in the 70th week
Take a closer look at Daniel 9:24 and then compare to JESUS words, the Apostles words
24“Seventy [e]weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
[f]To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint [g]the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the https://biblehub.com/nkjv/daniel/9.htm#footnoteswall,
Even in troublesome times.
26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself;
amigo de christo
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Well i sure dont bet either .
There is a real simple solution to all of this .
And i sure dont say this just because of the pre , mid , or post view on rapture .
What i am about to say goes far beyond that .
Did you know that many no longer even truly believe in the absolute dire need
to even preach the need to BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
they dont even believe the very gospel anymore . That number is growing every day .
So the solution is folks had better return to the bible for their own selves and read it daily
I dont mean a verse of the day , or through the lens of some teachers book or teaching either .
I mean actually to read and enjoy it for ourselves .
I am gonna leave you with some numbers and show you and the others something .
Two thousand . about twenty percent .
two thousand and eighteen . about fifty percent .
Two thousand twenty one , right at seventy percent .
DO you see that increase . Take note it took about eighteen years to rise from twenty to about fifty .
Take note it took only a mere three years to then rise to right at seventy . AND only GOD knows
what that number is right now .
THOSE numbers . represent the belief of christendom .
FOLKS believe that GOD is fine with all religoins , that we just need to do good and love .
THAT IS ANTI CHRIST LIE . its swallowing up the churches . Most folks dont even know
or can discern the difference between the love of the world and the true love of GOD .
And yet they will war all day over concepts .
WE got a delusion in the house .
amigo de christo
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To HE we owe all . Raise those hands and let the glorious Lord be praised .
David in NJ
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TODAY, if we Hear His Voice........................
Do you know why i capitalized "Hear" ???
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
David in NJ
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amigo de christo
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How do you think those numbers have rose so quickly .
twenty , fifty , seventy and now who knows who high it is .
How did such concepts even get themselves into the churches .
Through these two buddies who always travel together .
First comes MR JUDGE NOT CORRECT NOT , and always HIS BUDDY LEAVEN COMES WITH LOTS OF LEAVEN .
in other words the churches stopped correcting sin and error and got enamored
with lets just get along , have unity , and love . and them version of said words were WORLDY versions , NOT OF GOD at all .
There is a unity of GOD , THESE DO NOT PREACH IT
there is the love of GOD , THESE DO NOT PREACH IT
THERE is , well i think you get the picture . that satan and his men
of the world can use any word but beware their version .
COMMON GROUND with darkness leads to the down fall of all .
Always remember that .
amigo de christo
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Well something JESUS said just popped into my head .
Ye are not of my sheep , as i said my sheep HEAR my Voice .
A stranger they will not follow .
David in NJ
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Everyday His sheep Hear His Voice - AMEN = HalleluYAH and Good Morning Brother
amigo de christo
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I am deeply worried and highly concerned about the state i see much of christendom has fallen into my friend .
Very fearful that the voice many do think is the voice of Christ , IS RATHER the Voice of the stranger .
I shudder in terror at the condition i am seeing most all of christendom falling under its spell .
This voice cometh not of GOD , it testifies NOT OF JESUS the CHRIST
its testifies of another love and by this love has made the path to GOD VERY BROAD and the end of that road is DESTRUCTION .
Many are hearing the voice of another and they believe its voice , its version of the love that accepts sins and other paths ,
IS COMING FROM GOD . IT AINT . OH DEAR DAVID IT AINT the voice of GOD and it aint HIS LOVE .
ITS the DRAGON preaching an anti christ message and has cloaked it in WOOL .
David in NJ
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Let me share with you a 'Secret', which is only a secret to those who either cannot see or refuse to see.
Here it is: Acts ch7
However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
49‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
50Has My hand not made all these things?’
You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”
Did the 'church building controllers' repent at the words of God spoken thru His little lamb???
HELL says No!
When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth.
Did the Gates of HELL prevail against His Church???
HEAVEN says No
But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
David in NJ
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amigo de christo
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What was the main warning that JESUS told his own .
This warning most no longer even beleive . now paul knew it and thus he warned about it too .
But what DID JESUS IMMEDIATELY tell the people .
I will leave it in an A or B response . YOU PICK the right one my friend .
Was it A . beware of those wolves outside who try and seduce you
Was it B . beware of wolves IN WOOL .
The most dangeous , deceptive wolf , is not the one growling with his sharp teeth
for that wolf can at most kill the body .
THe most dangerous and deadly wolf of all , Is the one that grabs his WOOL COAT
and comes within and convinces the sheep . For deceptoin leads to the second death .
And now a word from paul .
And marvel not that satans ministirs can appear as MEN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS , THAT MEANS RIGHT IN THOSE CHURCHES ,
for satan himself can appear as an angel of light .
SOMETHING ol christendom seems to no longer really believe at all . cause i see lots of his ministirs
at work preaching another so called broad sin accept road to GOD . and i see folks LOVING TO HEAR IT
as though its the SOLUTION and ANSWER OF GOD . that is scary david . for them .
amigo de christo
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charity rejoices IN THE TRUTH .
now for a trivia question . can satan quoate scripture .
Well , YES he can .
SO can satan say GOD is love and yet by the version of his love LEAD FOLKS RIGHT AGAINST GOD < CHRIST
WHY YES HE CAN DAVID .
LOOK at how many now treat the scrips . And look at what their love seems to love and to accept
and ALSO look at what their love seemth to imediately REJECT and hate . BIBLCAL TRUTH aint too loved
in these churches that holler love love love all day long .
AINT that something . but no marvel for even satan himself sure can appear as an angel of light .
YET HE BE DARKNESS . We better be on gaurd . A strong delusoin has come .............and has done so
under the guise that is is love , it is of GOD , lets find common ground and be as one .
I sure dont hear messages about how them other religions NEED TO repent to BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST either
I hear messages that try and say our TRUTH is no better than their truth . WHAT a lie that crock is .
MA2444
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Thats how I read it, for myself. Me & the Holy Spirit. and when I do that, I see the pre trib rapture, all over the place! And I have the peace of God in my spirit because of it.
I didnt say anything about all the rest of that stuff you posted about. What are those numbers? Numbers of the website? The percentage of the members that believe as you do? I'm guessing, I dunno. You really didnt say what the numbers are, just, here's some numbers for you...??
Are you trying to show me the error of my ways? I appreciate the sentiment brother but, I'm doing real good with a pre trib view. I'm looking for today, lol! It's pretty cloudy out!
I actually personally guess/believe that they delayed the rapture and will maybe be in 2028? Because I believe that God is installing Mr. Trump as our new President, so He'll prolly wait to let Trump finish his term in office? Just a SWAG guess, lol
MA2444
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Can you expound on your experience in hearing the Lords voice? Please?
Do you hear the still small voice of God within you?
Or is it more like an inner assurance in your spirit or what?
Because you have definitely made the implication that you hear the voice of God, and if you ask 1000 people how they hear God, you will get 1000 different answers! No, they're not lying, God has many ways, and I love hearing that sort of thing to compare with my own experiences.
So...please?
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