It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[MA2444]

Everyday His sheep Hear His Voice - AMEN = HalleluYAH and Good Morning Brother

Not everybody does. They might hear it but they think it's their own thoughts, so they dont put any stock in it or engage it. Then you hear them askiing, how do your hear God talking to you? Like they cant.
Good Morning Brother!

 

[MA2444]

I am deeply worried and highly concerned about the state i see much of christendom has fallen into my friend .
Very fearful that the voice many do think is the voice of Christ , IS RATHER the Voice of the stranger .
I shudder in terror at the condition i am seeing most all of christendom falling under its spell .
This voice cometh not of GOD , it testifies NOT OF JESUS the CHRIST
its testifies of another love and by this love has made the path to GOD VERY BROAD and the end of that road is DESTRUCTION .
Many are hearing the voice of another and they believe its voice , its version of the love that accepts sins and other paths ,
IS COMING FROM GOD . IT AINT . OH DEAR DAVID IT AINT the voice of GOD and it aint HIS LOVE .
ITS the DRAGON preaching an anti christ message and has cloaked it in WOOL .

That's the kind of post that triggers prudent men to pray!
Test them spirits boy and girls! In Jesus name.

 

[David in NJ]

Can you expound on your experience in hearing the Lords voice? Please?

Do you hear the still small voice of God within you?
Or is it more like an inner assurance in your spirit or what?

Because you have definitely made the implication that you hear the voice of God, and if you ask 1000 people how they hear God, you will get 1000 different answers! No, they're not lying, God has many ways, and I love hearing that sort of thing to compare with my own experiences.

So...please?

TY
#1 - VERY STRONG = It is a TRUE ASSURANCE of Salvation granted to me via His MERCY
#2 - This STRONG ASSURANCE(SA) is from being Born-Again by the Spirit of God by the WORD
#3 - SA grows STRONGER when HE reveals to us "not of works lest any man should boast"
#4 - i received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit(HS) a few months to about a year AFTER (#1-3)
#5 - the HS seals our spirit unto the Day of FULL Redemption = His Second Coming(HSC)
#6 - the HS inside me speaks(imS) thru building my Confidence in the Word of Truth
#7 - the HS imS thru correcting me without condemnation
#8 - the HS imS thru Sanctification in the Word = John 17:17-28

i have to go now - be back later

SHALOM to ALL who Call upon the Name ABOVE all names = LORD Jesus Christ

 

[amigo de christo]

That's the kind of post that triggers prudent men to pray!
Test them spirits boy and girls! In Jesus name.

Yes it is my friend . this is what we must all do now .
and i also advise us all to get back into the bible and to learn for ourselves my friend .
I actually do love the peoples and desire none to perish . But this generation is in total trouble my friend .
We must pray , be diligent and let us learn of the LORD . Be refreshed in the bible daily my friend and be in prayer .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nasty? Oh grow a pair this is how men talk. You want to play a vicitim card for him because what I said? Maaaann, brother you hang out with the women too much or something.

It's how unsaved men talk. I'm not wasting any more time on you until you decide to grow up and stop being a childish, sexist fake tough guy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I remember that post! I'm sorry brother, I hope I didnt make you actually cry. I never knew how sensitive you are. He had a lot of my quotes on the post.

This is what you're saying about posts basically saying we were possessed by evil spirits and serving Satan and other over the top things. You think we're being too sensitive by having a problem with those kinds of posts? There's something very seriously wrong with you and you need to seek professional help. You are mentally ill.

 

[marks]

Something to ponder/meditate on: the 70th Week came when JESUS was born and we are still in the 70th week
Take a closer look at Daniel 9:24 and then compare to JESUS words, the Apostles words

After the 62nd week Messiah is cut off, but not for Himself. After the 62nd week. Ponder that. The 70th week is yet future.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Watching for what ?

You have already determined in your view that the rapture is not going to take place until after the great tribulation - so why are you watching now for the rapture as you claim?

You are not watching for the rapture to happen at any time. And you ridicule my any time rapture view.

You are making every effort to discourage others to the possibility that the rapture could happen pre-trib.

Doug, do you have to misunderstand everything you read and make a fool of yourself incessantly? Is that just something you have decided to do?

Why didn't you just ask me the question "Watching for what?" and let me answer before saying the rest of your nonsense?

What did Jesus say to watch for? Just for Him to return and nothing else?

Matthew 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

Matthew 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. 26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

Matthew 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Watching isn't just looking up at the sky to see if Jesus is returning. It's watching out that we're not deceived. It's keeping watch on our spiritual status so that we are ready for when He comes.

I ridicule your anytime rapture view because it ignores that certain things had to happen first before the rapture occurs, as indicated in 2 Thess 2:3. Such as a mass falling away from the faith. Also, I ridicule it because you have a bunch of things happening even after Jesus comes and the rapture occurs even though scripture does not teach such a thing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

After the 69th week Messiah is cut off, but not for Himself. After the 69th week. Ponder that. The 70th week is yet future.

Much love!

After the 69th week means some time after the 69th week ends. That places it in the 70th week. I don't know why people who put a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks always try to act as if the word "after" means "at the end of". In no dictionary in the world does it mean that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'd just love to see a greater level of maturity being displayed.

Much love!

But, it's just post-tribs that are the problem, right. You are totally fine with MA2444's style of posting?

 

[marks]

First comes MR JUDGE NOT CORRECT NOT , and always HIS BUDDY LEAVEN COMES WITH LOTS OF LEAVEN .

What I'm referring to are those who claim faith in Jesus, and act towards others like young children in the school yard who have not yet been socialized. As if they have no regard for their behavior, or how it does or does not conform to the fruit of the Spirit, and the Law of Love. The conduct of quite a few members on this forum is in my opinion shameful, though not so much if people are actually wanting to do better.

But what I see speaks more towards a self-justified "I can talk this way if I want to!" attitude.

Much love!

 

[marks]

After the 69th week means some time after the 69th week ends. That places it in the 70th week. I don't know why people who put a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks always try to act as if the word "after" means "at the end of". In no dictionary in the world does it mean that.

Just pay attention to the wording of the passage and you'll see it.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just pay attention to the wording of the passage and you'll see it.

Much love!

See what exactly? I know what the word after means. Do you? Show me what you're talking about so I don't have to guess.

 

[marks]

But, it's just post-tribs that are the problem, right. You are totally fine with MA2444's style of posting?

Anyone who isn't presenting themself in a Christian manner should begin doing so. I've spoken in generalities. I've addressed some of what I've specifically seen, and there are many posts on this thread I haven't read.

Let me ask you . . . is it the good response to say, "But what about him??" If the shoe fits, wear it. If others around you are telling you something you yourself don't see, just take another good faith look. It only helps.

I'm not trying to tear down by pointing fingers, except at the behavior. I'm hoping to elevate by bringing this to the awareness of reasonable and well-intentioned people.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Anyone who isn't presenting themself in a Christian manner should begin doing so. I've spoken in generalities. I've addressed some of what I've specifically seen, and there are many posts on this thread I haven't read.

Let me ask you . . . is it the good response to say, "But what about him??" If the shoe fits, wear it. If others around you are telling you something you yourself don't see, just take another good faith look. It only helps.

I'm not trying to tear down by pointing fingers, except at the behavior. I'm hoping to elevate by bringing this to the awareness of reasonable and well-intentioned people.

Much love!

You singled out post-trib's treatment of pretribs in particular, but you won't say anything against the behavior of your fellow pretribs. Do you think that isn't noticeable? You say there's many posts you haven't read, so maybe you haven't seen the posts I'm talking about. I'm not making it up. You can see the recent posts here made by MA2444, can't you? Do you think those posts contain acceptable behavior?

 

[marks]

See what exactly? I know what the word after means. Do you? Show me what you're talking about so I don't have to guess.

Just saying "after the sixty two weeks" doesn't specifically mean "during the 70th week", it can mean before, during, or after. So you have to be able to solve that outside of that particular verse, it's not specific. It's ambiguous. Therefore you need Scripture that solves this question, Scripture that is not ambiguous.


The question is, by what Scripture do you show whether Jesus is crucified before, during, or after the 70th week. A simple thing to say is that the weeks are naturally contiguous, but I'd ask the question, why did the angel tell Daniel that Messiah is cut off after the 62 weeks, instead of saying, in the 70th week? These things all need Scripture to address them.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You singled out post-trib's treatment of pretribs in particular, but you won't say anything against the behavior of your fellow pretribs. Do you think that isn't noticeable? You say there's many posts you haven't read, so maybe you haven't seen the posts I'm talking about. I'm not making it up. You can see the recent posts here made by MA2444, can't you? Do you think those posts contain acceptable behavior?

I've been primarily discussion this with you and David, so most of the posts I've read on this thread were those from you two. I often don't read someones post to someone else, particularly if I'm in a couple or more interesting discussions. Yeah, I know there are others who post as the two of you do, what I'm saying is, I read what I read, and I'm calling out what I see. That's it.

I've made it a general address in all fairness.

Now it's time to put this to bed.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just saying "after the sixty nine weeks" doesn't specifically mean "during the 70th week", it can mean before, during, or after.

Where is there any indication in the prophecy itself that the 70 determined weeks would not all be continuous from beginning to end? Why would just the first 69 weeks be continuous and then a large gap?

So you have to be able to solve that outside of that particular verse, it's not specific. It's ambiguous.

Not to me it isn't. When week 1 ended, week 2 began. When week 2 ended, week 3 began. And so on up until week 69. When that time period ended, week 70 began.

Therefore you need Scripture that solves this question, Scripture that is not ambiguous.

You make it ambiguous, not me. It's not ambiguous at all to me.

The question is, by what Scripture do you show whether Jesus is crucified before, during, or after the 70th week. A simple thing to say is that the weeks are naturally contiguous, but I'd ask the question, why did the angel tell Daniel that Messiah is cut off after the 69 weeks, instead of saying, in the 70th week? These things all need Scripture to address them.

Why does it all have to be explicitly spelled out to you in order for you to discern what it means? There is no basis whatsoever for putting any gaps in the 70 weeks.

The six things listed in the following verse had to all be fulfilled within the 70 weeks. Do you think Christ's death was not necessary for these things to be fulfilled?

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

For example, how else can reconciliation for iniquity be made apart from the shed blood of Christ?

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I've been primarily discussion this with you and David, so most of the posts I've read on this thread were those from you two. I often don't read someones post to someone else, particularly if I'm in a couple or more interesting discussions. Yeah, I know there are others who post as the two of you do, what I'm saying is, I read what I read, and I'm calling out what I see. That's it.

I've made it a general address in all fairness.

Now it's time to put this to bed.

Much love!

You won't say a word against the behavior of your fellow pretribs. I see how it is whether you'll admit it or not.

 

[marks]

You won't say a word against the behavior of your fellow pretribs. I see how it is whether you'll admit it or not.

I've addressed pre-tribbers with the same complaints at times. Enough.

Much love!