Eternally Grateful
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So your saying from the time Jerusalem was built, which was 49 years or 7 weeks.Daniel 9:25-26a says, “Know therefore and understand, that from (1) the going forth of the commandment to (2) restore and to build Jerusalem unto (3) the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.”
In the previous verse we have the total duration described as 70 weeks or 490 years. In verse 25 these 70 weeks are split into 3 parts, albeit the last week is still not yet specifically described:
7 = 49 yrs
62 = 434 yrs
1 = 7 yrs
Whilst, the last week is still not fully described we will look at the overall outline at this juncture for a blueprint.
(1) The first part (7 weeks) relates to the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The angel said of the first aspect relating to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, in the first seven weeks, “the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”
(2) The second part (62 weeks) takes up to the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.
until Jesus begins his ministry, there is a gap. and the 62 weeks starts then??
when was the 7 year covenant confirmed?(3) The third part (1 week) commences with the start of Christ’s earthly ministry and sees the crucifixion half way through it (3 ½ yrs).
and in this prophecy, Messiah comes at the end of the 69th week. And we are told when the messiah would come, on a donkey, remembering, until this time, jesus continually said, it is not my time, it is not my time.
as for messiah being cut off. It happens AFTER (inhebrew it is immediately after, the next event) he comes to jerusalem. not 3. 5 years after.
So Christ comes at this time? And the abomination of desolation has been standing in the holy place for 3.5 years when this happens?The other 3 ½ yrs saw the Church receive its baptism of fire at Pentecost and enter into the fulfilment of advancing the Gospel – the nations now being open to the Gospel, unlike before.
Thats odd. Sacrifice and burnt offering continued.. and would continue until 70 AD when Titus destroyed the temple. Just like Daniel was told he would
do what? where does the 8th week come in, I see no 8th week mentioned in dan 9. now your making things upThe question the futurists must answer is: is there any division in time between the 7th and 8th weeks?
Yet I showed you two passages which prove it.The answer, of course, is a categorical NO!
Then, what scriptural warrant is there for, in unprecedented manner, decapitating this harmonious cohesive Messianic prophecy, aimlessly and indefinitely projecting the final week 2000 years+ into the unknown to a supposed end-time 7-year period, when it was perfectly fulfilled in the life and time of our Lord’s ministry, especially when there is absolutely NO corroborated in the New Testament for this 70th week gap-theory. As we have already stated, probably, the most distasteful aspect of this corrupt teaching is how they corruptly attribute it to anti-Christ at the end when it explicitly relates to Christ and His atonement 2000 years ago? To be honest, with this form of hermeneutics you could potentially corrupt any Old Testament passage and apply it to whatever time-period or matter one wishes.
Well,. thanks for your opinion. But as I proved, it most definatly does.The text does not in any way demand a gap;
I did not insert one. Gabriel inserted one, between the messiah the prince and the confirming of a covenant for one week.the Futurists unilaterally (without any scriptural warrant and for his own reason) chooses to insert one there in order to support his unsound theology. Those who do or condone such are unquestionably gap-theorists.
in between this time, the city would be destroyed and left deolate until war desolations are determined (As see here what jesus said,l there will be ward and rumers of wars. kingdom will rise against kingdom, nation against nation, but the end is not yet.
THEN you will see the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel
Again, Your in error. It would be fulilled at the end of the 70th week.The text does demand – “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).
These 6 elements must therefore be fulfilled (1) in Messiah, and (2) must come mid-way through the final week. The desolation is not within the 70 weeks, it is the visible result of the fulfilment of numbers 1-6 in the midst of the week i.e. the rendering of the temple’s former use obsolete.
And it concerns daniels people and his holy city.
Nothing has been fulfilled to this day..
No one is rejecting the sacrifice, this prophecy is not about the sacrifice. the cross is a mention, and part of a time period. thats itWhat is the greater abomination, rejecting the once all-sufficient sacrifice of Calvary, as the Jews evidently did (and are doing), or abolishing or rejecting any idolatrous animal sacrifices in an imaginary temple? The Pretrib scenario is fanciful anyway as the temple has been (and is being) built – Christ’s body.
the message os about Israel, who is in sin, and the city, which at the time was in ruins.
No.The “overspreading of abominations” was the rebellious idolatrous continuing of the temple sacrifices by the Jews after they were abolished at Calvary (1/2 way through the final week). And despite God allowing them time to repent in the intervening 40-year period (AD 30-AD 70), they stubbornly rebelled. The blasphemous continuing of the old order – the abolished (imperfect) sacrifices – occasioned the destruction of the temple – 40 being a perfect probationary period. When the practicing of the temple sacrifices had reached their allotted time-span, God destroyed them and the temple.
The abomination of desolation is an idol or unclean things placed in a holy place. which renders the holy place unclean, rendering it desolate and causes sacrifice and burnt offering to cease.
We have an example when during the maccabean period. a gentile king slaughtered a pig in the holy place.
Israel was in sin for the whole time, they never repented. thats why they were still slaved..