It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, it was after you started to me again and it came up in discussion between us, to exegete Daniel. I may have been the first to suggest Daniel, but as I see how you are talking about everything, you have refreshed my memory into why I cant talk to you. It wont work. You dont seem able to work and play well wilth others. You dont seem able to exegete scriptures with pretribbers in an intelligent manner.

Look in the mirror, buddy. You're constantly clowning around on here and it's extremely difficult to take you seriously. You don't know how to use humor in moderation. Everything is a joke to you. I don't want to deal with that anymore.

So now, yeah I have made up my mind. So what? Let's just say we dont speak each others language....

I'm glad you've made up your mind. I've made up my mind, too. You're not worth my time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not bent out of shape lol. Why? Because some guy wants to talk to me to and I wont?

Oh, the horror of it! WHatever shall I do?! I need a Therapist, yes that's it!

Lol.

Let me know if you need me to recommend a therapist for you. I truly do think you need one.

 

[David in NJ]

I'll buy that. All except the last line.

So you and I have differing beliefs, ok. Maybe you denounce it now because it is not something that you ever learned completely for yourself? But I would caution you that denouncing others beliefs is probably some sort of mistake. Probably not life threatening but still a mistake. So to denounce pretribbers is like the hand putting the foot down because it is a darn foot and not the hand! I can sense a wrongness in it.

And you should be careful, because you sound an awful lot like those smart mouth amils at times and I'm just sayin, it dont look good on you Brother! God bless you and bring you much wisdom.

I'll buy that. All except the last line.

the last line was the BEST = "but YOU @MA2444 are in the HEART of God if you be in CHRIST"

 

[David in NJ]

I'll buy that. All except the last line.

So you and I have differing beliefs, ok. Maybe you denounce it now because it is not something that you ever learned completely for yourself? But I would caution you that denouncing others beliefs is probably some sort of mistake. Probably not life threatening but still a mistake. So to denounce pretribbers is like the hand putting the foot down because it is a darn foot and not the hand! I can sense a wrongness in it.

And you should be careful, because you sound an awful lot like those smart mouth amils at times and I'm just sayin, it dont look good on you Brother! God bless you and bring you much wisdom.

Maybe you denounce it now because it is not something that you ever learned completely for yourself?

On the CONTRARY

God denounces it in His word = i believe every word that comes from the Mouth of God
AND
to make 100% CERTAIN, i tested every word of pre-trib rapture against God's words.
AND
God's words PREVAILED simply because God NEVER lies
AND
pre-trib rapture NEVER came out of the Mouth of God
AND
this is why you can gather all your 'doctorate of divinity' little army, for they DO NOT stand a chance against this little old stone in the Kingdom of God.

 

[MA2444]

You're not worth my time.

You got it! Good job Brother!

1 John 2:27
27 But you have received the Holy Spirit,[a] and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit[b] teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ..../NLT

I'll go ahead and reject your sarcasm and say God bless you brother, may the Lord bring you much wisdom.

 

[MA2444]

the last line was the BEST = "but YOU @MA2444 are in the HEART of God if you be in CHRIST"

Not that part of it, lol, The first part.
Ok, I said last line, my mistake. Next to last line.

 

[David in NJ]

You got it! Good job Brother!

1 John 2:27
27 But you have received the Holy Spirit,[a] and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit[b] teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ..../NLT

I'll go ahead and reject your sarcasm and say God bless you brother, may the Lord bring you much wisdom.

Now we are back on the PATH that leads to LIFE when we give Thanks to God for each other and Pray for each other.

 

[David in NJ]

Not that part of it, lol, The first part.
Ok, I said last line, my mistake. Next to last line.

Good Night Brother

 

[Douggg]

Everyone, please stop throwing rocks at each other - across the Pre-trib fence, dividing your yards.

Concentrate your posts on why you either believe in the Pre-trib view or don't.

 

[Keraz]

I reject any 'rapture to heaven'.
The only event which can be called a rapture, will happen when Jesus Returns and sends His angels to gather His people to Him - to Jerusalem. 1 Thess 4:16-17, Matthew 24:30-31

The Prophetic Word is clear: the Christian peoples will go to live in all of the holy Land, under the Lords protection and Blessed with peace and prosperity. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 62:1-5, Zechariah 8:1-8, +
BEFORE the glorious Return.

 

[David in NJ]

Everyone, please stop throwing rocks at each other - across the Pre-trib fence, dividing your yards.

Concentrate your posts on why you either believe in the Pre-trib view or don't.

Good Morning Brother @Douggg,

Can you please answer(not to me but unto God) the scriptural answers to the 3 questions.

3 simple questions by the Word of the LORD spoken in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

#1 - What location is JESUS leaving when He comes for the rapture?

#2- Who is HE bringing with Himself?
a.) "the dead in Christ" or
b.) previously raptured saints

#3 - Which occurs FIRST?
a.) the Resurrection or
b.) the Rapture

 

[Davidpt]

Everyone, please stop throwing rocks at each other - across the Pre-trib fence, dividing your yards.

Concentrate your posts on why you either believe in the Pre-trib view or don't.

Why, though? A person can be as respectful as can be, and still no one is going to change their mind about anything. You are a perfect example. You always remain respectful, but even so, not one single time have you managed to convince me you are right about the things I disagree with you about.

The church is being attacked here, and the ones helping to attack it, in this case, are Pretribbers. They are rebelling against God's will that the church must go through great tribulation. Pretribbers think they deserve an easy way out. Tell that to every single saint that has been maryred over the past 2000 years then, some of them experienced cruel deaths, that you Pretribbers deserve an easy way out but that they didn't. Where was their easy way out? Why do Pretibbers deserve an easy way out but they didn't?

 

[rebuilder 454]

But I did explain why they have to be the same trump in this case. That being that someone is rising from the dead and that 1 Corinthians 15:52 is the only Scripture I'm aware of that tells us when someone rising from the dead puts on bodily immortality, that being the last trump. IOW, it is impossible to put on bodily immortality before the last trump if it is not until the last trump that that can happen. It is nonsensical to rise from the dead and not even be in an immortal body yet, but have to wait 3.5 years or more(the length of great tribulation) to put on bodily immortality. What are they doing in the meantime, the fact their bodies have risen from the dead except they are not immortal bodies yet?

If Pretribbers want to insist Pretrib is true, simply submit the Scripture that proves when the dead in Christ allegedly rise prior to great tribulation, they put on bodily immortality the moment they rise. IOW, I'm looking for a clear Scripture like 1 Corinthians 15:52, except Pretribbers obviously can't use that Scripture since that Scripture is meaning post trib not pre trib.

The AC kills all refusing the mark.
So no matter what, no Christian makes it through the GT.
Postribber workbook proves their Doctrine is poorly thought out.
I showed you Jesus appearing to John on Patmos with a trump.
Was that the rapture?
According to your model , that HAD TO BE the rapture.

 

[The Light]

The church is being attacked here, and the ones helping to attack it, in this case, are Pretribbers.

What a crock David. Pretrib is watching for the Lord as instructed. Post trib thinks the Lord delays His coming and smites his fellow servants.

They are rebelling against God's will that the church must go through great tribulation.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Pretib is watching as instructed.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Pretribbers think they deserve an easy way out.

Pretribbers believe the Word as written and don't make up a bunch of spiritualization nonsense.

Tell that to every single saint that has been maryred over the past 2000 years then, some of them experienced cruel deaths, that you Pretribbers deserve an easy way out but that they didn't. Where was their easy way out? Why do Pretibbers deserve an easy way out but they didn't?

We understand the word. Amil thinks the trumpet of wrath have been happening for 2000 years when we are not appointed to wrath.

The time is very short for you to open your eyes. The bridegroom comes soon. If you understood the Word you would know that.

Who do you think the foolish virgins are?

 

[rebuilder 454]

On the CONTRARY

God denounces it in His word = i believe every word that comes from the Mouth of God
AND
to make 100% CERTAIN, i tested every word of pre-trib rapture against God's words.
AND
God's words PREVAILED simply because God NEVER lies
AND
pre-trib rapture NEVER came out of the Mouth of God
AND
this is why you can gather all your 'doctorate of divinity' little army, for they DO NOT stand a chance against this little old stone in the Kingdom of God.

"Before the flood....
One taken, one left"
Read it into a miiror..
Maybe it could have a remote chance to stick


QUOTE="Davidpt, post: 1916086, member: 24559"]
Why, though? A person can be as respectful as can be, and still no one is going to change their mind about anything. You are a perfect example. You always remain respectful, but even so, not one single time have you managed to convince me you are right about the things I disagree with you about.

The church is being attacked here, and the ones helping to attack it, in this case, are Pretribbers. They are rebelling against God's will that the church must go through great tribulation. Pretribbers think they deserve an easy way out. Tell that to every single saint that has been maryred over the past 2000 years then, some of them experienced cruel deaths, that you Pretribbers deserve an easy way out but that they didn't. Where was their easy way out? Why do Pretibbers deserve an easy way out but they didn't?
[/QUOTE]
EVERY Time I see reason over the word of God, it indicates condemnation prior to investigation .
We get weary of you guys refusing to debate verses.
Look, you do not have a single postrib rapture verse.
I challenged you guys a year ago to produce one.
Here we are a year later...NO VERSES.
All you have left is one liners and cliche's
Trump
Trumpet
Last trump
"After"
"Day of the Lord"
LaHaye
Darby
Schofield
Margaret Mcdonald
Name calling
Character assassination
Mocking

That is the postrib rapture doctrine

Without a doubt, the emptiest wagon on the trail.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Why, though? A person can be as respectful as can be, and still no one is going to change their mind about anything. You are a perfect example. You always remain respectful, but even so, not one single time have you managed to convince me you are right about the things I disagree with you about.

The church is being attacked here, and the ones helping to attack it, in this case, are Pretribbers. They are rebelling against God's will that the church must go through great tribulation. Pretribbers think they deserve an easy way out. Tell that to every single saint that has been maryred over the past 2000 years then, some of them experienced cruel deaths, that you Pretribbers deserve an easy way out but that they didn't. Where was their easy way out? Why do Pretibbers deserve an easy way out but they didn't?

You guys must hate it that Lot and the baby Jesus were gathered up and removed pretrib.

That small item just destroyed every word of your post.

 

[David in NJ]

"Before the flood....
One taken, one left"
Read it into a miiror..
Maybe it could have a remote chance to stick


QUOTE="Davidpt, post: 1916086, member: 24559"]
Why, though? A person can be as respectful as can be, and still no one is going to change their mind about anything. You are a perfect example. You always remain respectful, but even so, not one single time have you managed to convince me you are right about the things I disagree with you about.

The church is being attacked here, and the ones helping to attack it, in this case, are Pretribbers. They are rebelling against God's will that the church must go through great tribulation. Pretribbers think they deserve an easy way out. Tell that to every single saint that has been maryred over the past 2000 years then, some of them experienced cruel deaths, that you Pretribbers deserve an easy way out but that they didn't. Where was their easy way out? Why do Pretibbers deserve an easy way out but they didn't?

EVERY Time I see reason over the word of God, it indicates condemnation prior to investigation .
We get weary of you guys refusing to debate verses.
Look, you do not have a single postrib rapture verse.
I challenged you guys a year ago to produce one.
Here we are a year later...NO VERSES.
All you have left is one liners and cliche's
Trump
Trumpet
Last trump
"After"
"Day of the Lord"
LaHaye
Darby
Schofield
Margaret Mcdonald
Name calling
Character assassination
Mocking

That is the postrib rapture doctrine

Without a doubt, the emptiest wagon on the trail.
[/QUOTE]

Look, you do not have a single postrib rapture verse.

Why are you resisting the very words of CHRIST???

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched,
He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven,
will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

 

[The Light]

Why are you resisting the very words of CHRIST???

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched,
He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven,
will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins. We are not appointed to wrath. Tribulation is not wrath.

Do you think that the 7 trumpets of wrath have occurred? Do you think any of the trumpets have occurred?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You guys must hate it that Lot and the baby Jesus were gathered up and removed pretrib.

That small item just destroyed every word of your post.

Not at all. For you to think this shows that you have no understanding of what post-tribs believe. We are pre-wrath (what you call pretrib) just like you. How can we trust you that you understand scripture when you can't even understand what post-tribs believe? We agree that just as God's wrath occurred AFTER Noah got on to the ark and AFTER Lot went out of Sodom, God's wrath will come down on unbelievers right AFTER the rapture when Jesus comes.

 

[David in NJ]

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins. We are not appointed to wrath. Tribulation is not wrath.

Do you think that the 7 trumpets of wrath have occurred? Do you think any of the trumpets have occurred?

Good Morning and EXCELLENT question(s) - thank you

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