Israel reigns over the nations

[Marty fox]

But it is Israel that is being persecuted in these verses.Dont you agree?


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come

Yes of course, the disciples were Jewish

 

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Yes of course, the disciples were Jewish

These disciples who are being persecuted throughout Israel before Jesus coming are Jewish too.


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come



Do you understand why they can't buy anything before Jesus comes?They can't even go to McDonald's and buy a cheeseburger.


9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.



I will be able to go to McDonalds and buy a cheeseburger.But they won't be able to in Israel.

 

[Marty fox]

These disciples who are being persecuted throughout Israel before Jesus coming are Jewish too.


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come



Do you understand why they can't buy anything before Jesus comes?They can't even go to McDonald's and buy a cheeseburger.


9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.



I will be able to go to McDonalds and buy a cheeseburger.But they won't be able to in Israel.

Read the chapter these were the instructions that Jesus gave the the deciples when He sent them out. We then hear the stories that they experienced. The were the actual deciples that He lived with. The coming He talked about was His coming in judgement about 40 years later

 

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Read the chapter these were the instructions that Jesus gave the the deciples when He sent them out. We then hear the stories that they experienced. The were the actual deciples that He lived with. The coming He talked about was His coming in judgement about 40 years later

You believe the end was 40 years after Jesus sent the apostles into all the world to preach the gospel?

Since the church was in its infancy,what do you believe it was the end of?About all the apostles died in other countries while preaching the gospel so what was it the end of?





22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Romans 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Yes, israel claimed they had an automatic in. because they were isreal. so this is pauls argument

Romans 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

So who exactually is "all Israel"?

They are "blinded in part"
they are the "natural branch"
they are "enemies because of the gospel. but beloved according to the election. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable"
They will be "all saved" when they repent at the return of Christ.
and they are NOT "gentile believers, or unnatural branches"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Read the chapter these were the instructions that Jesus gave the the deciples when He sent them out. We then hear the stories that they experienced. The were the actual deciples that He lived with. The coming He talked about was His coming in judgement about 40 years later

He came 40 years later?

 

[Marty fox]

He came 40 years later?

He came in judgement against Israel 40 later in 70AD.

 

[Marty fox]

Yes, israel claimed they had an automatic in. because they were isreal. so this is pauls argument

They are "blinded in part"
they are the "natural branch"
they are "enemies because of the gospel. but beloved according to the election. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable"
They will be "all saved" when they repent at the return of Christ.
and they are NOT "gentile believers, or unnatural branches"

Romans 11
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

Paul states that that once that the full number of Gentiles comes in that "all Israel will be saved" thus all Israel is true Israel the church made up of both Jew and Gentile.

Thats why Paul used both descriptions Zion for natural Israel and Jacob for spiritual Israel.

 

[Marty fox]

You believe the end was 40 years after Jesus sent the apostles into all the world to preach the gospel?

Since the church was in its infancy,what do you believe it was the end of?About all the apostles died in other countries while preaching the gospel so what was it the end of?





22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come

Jesus came in judgement against Israel about 40 years later in 70AD. He judged Israel through Rome it was the end of the temple and sacrificial age the end of the old Covenant age.

The end that Jesus was talking about in verse 22 that you provided was the end of their lives. He that endures until the end of their lives physically will be saved spiritually.

 

[Marty fox]

Do you also believe ,no one in Israel can receive Christ?

Not only do they receive Christ,are hated by their own families because of Jesus name.That is something you will never experience.


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.



While they are being killed for their testimony of Christ,you will be posting on the internet

Do you see what you are doing here?

You are ignoring the fact that Jesus was giving specific instructions to His disciples when He sent them out to preach to the surrounding towns based of a view that you have of His coming.

Jesus comes repeatedly in judgement before His actual second coming like in the verse below.

Revelation 2
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He came in judgement against Israel 40 later in 70AD.

Actually, no he did not come, Rome came, in fact it was told they would come.

When jesus comes, the whole world will know it, because they will see it.

Matt 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

rev 19:
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

the world will nto only see it, they will feel it. anyone not written in the book of life in that day will be in dire trouble

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Romans 11
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

Paul states that that once that the full number of Gentiles comes in that "all Israel will be saved" thus all Israel is true Israel the church made up of both Jew and Gentile.

Thats why Paul used both descriptions Zion for natural Israel and Jacob for spiritual Israel.

again, Your missing the point

Paul was warning the gentiles not to boast. Because just as God took it from Israel and gave it to them, at a point of time, Israel will repent.

The deliverer will come to Zion. this is what happens when he returns, he returns to zion, and the mountain is split in two..

The full number of gentiles is I believe the days God gave gentiles to rule the world..The final beast (rome) will be defeated when Christ returns.. in the mean time, the woman (Israel) is protected, Because God still has a plan for them, He is not done with them

when this time comes to an end.. then Israel will repent.

Its all over the OT prophets.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you see what you are doing here?

You are ignoring the fact that Jesus was giving specific instructions to His disciples when He sent them out to preach to the surrounding towns based of a view that you have of His coming.

Jesus comes repeatedly in judgement before His actual second coming like in the verse below.

Revelation 2
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

the sword of his mouth

rev 19: 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

There is one coming, And he will strike the nations. thats what he was warning about. not many times

 

[tailgator]

Jesus came in judgement against Israel about 40 years later in 70AD. He judged Israel through Rome it was the end of the temple and sacrificial age the end of the old Covenant age.

The end that Jesus was talking about in verse 22 that you provided was the end of their lives. He that endures until the end of their lives physically will be saved spiritually.

Did he come and send his angels to remove all sinners out of his kingdom like he said he would?

 

[Marty fox]

Did he come and send his angels to remove all sinners out of his kingdom like he said he would?

Nope that will happen at the end of our world

 

[Marty fox]

the sword of his mouth

rev 19: 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

There is one coming, And he will strike the nations. thats what he was warning about. not many times

If there is only one coming with the sword out of His mouth how could He of came with the sword of His mouth in Revelation 2:16?

Also how did He come in the verse below thousands of years ago?

Isaiah 19:1
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

 

[tailgator]

Nope that will happen at the end of our world

Did anyone report seeing Jesus as revelations said they would?

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

[tailgator]

If there is only one coming with the sword out of His mouth how could He of came with the sword of His mouth in Revelation 2:16?

Also how did He come in the verse below thousands of years ago?

Isaiah 19:1
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

Isaiah 19 has not been fulfilled yet.It isn't fulfilled till the time of the end when all sinners are removed from Christs kingdom.Everyone from.the euphrates to the Nile will be holy.


Isaiah 19
21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.

22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

 

[Marty fox]

Actually, no he did not come, Rome came, in fact it was told they would come.

When jesus comes, the whole world will know it, because they will see it.

Matt 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

rev 19:
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

the world will nto only see it, they will feel it. anyone not written in the book of life in that day will be in dire trouble

Yes Rome came and destroyed Israel doing Gods will of coming in Judgement

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

Thats what God does at times uses nation to do His will

 

[Marty fox]

Did anyone report seeing Jesus as revelations said they would?

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Yes they did figurately.

The ones who pierced Him knew that Jesus came in judgement when the Romans besieged the city just like Jesus said that they would and also when Jesus said that they would within their generation