Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?

[Taken]

Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?
OP ^

Yes.

Matt 25:
[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well you say these things because you do not take Scripture as written but as allegorically retranslated! Israel is in the land as prophesied literally!
Jerusalem is in Jewish hands as prophesied literally.
Sorry there is m0ore than one resurrection! REv. 20

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

See you do not teach from teh Word of God, but the retranslated word of God according to your allegorical preachers.

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Eternal Life
2.) (Second Death/Resurrection) To Eternal Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus returns to earth, to Jerusalem at His second coming in Zechariah 14, and remains there, and the heathen nations such as Egypt remain on earth and come into the city to worship Him, 14:6 to the end of the chapter.

In fact the day of the Lord occurs first in 14:1, yet the earth isn’t burned and destroyed, because He lands on Mount Olive with all the saints, destroys those attacking Jerusalem, then remains in that city.

Therefore it’s not just obvious, but ridiculously obvious, that the earth is not burned up and destroyed at His second coming, because of those nations that continue to exist after He returns to Mount Olive with all the saints, in Zechariah 14:4-5.

This so obviously is the start of His unending kingdom reign on earth, from Jerusalem, on the throne of David, prophesied in Luke, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and other passages in the Bible.

The earth isn’t destroyed until the final battle at the end of the millennium where the deceived nations of the earth are destroyed by fire from heaven - then the new earth appears.

His reign will be forever, not just a thousand years.

It all ties together very nicely, for those with ears to hear.

You're just completely ignoring Isaiah 13:9-11 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 which coincide perfectly with Christ's return in Matthew 24:29-31.

No honest man can deny the language therein. It is all undebatably taking place immediately after Christ's return on the exact same day. The Last Day of the world. No ridiculous 42-month space between Matthew 24:29 & 30. The Bible makes it plain for all who are honest.

"Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."
Isaiah 13:9-11

"The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. The heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat, the Earth also, the works shall be burned up. - (then it repeats it so there is no mistake) - The heavens being on fire and the elements shall melt with fervent heat."
2 Peter 3:10-12

 

[GEN2REV]

My understanding is that He will be our high priest in heaven, aided and supported by the Saints who had lost their heads who will also be priests.

That is the only place He can ever be High Priest. He cannot be Priest on the earth, which contradicts your pre-mill. agenda.

"We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. ... For if He were on earth, He should not be a priest, ..."
Hebrews 8:1-2, 4

God's Kingdom is a spiritual/heavenly Kingdom. It will never be upon the earth.

"My Kingdom is not of this world: ... My Kingdom (is) not from hence."
John 18:36

"The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: ... the Kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:20-21

 

[GEN2REV]

There are many prophecies proving the literal and eternal kingdom reign of Jesus on earth, from Jerusalem, on the throne of David.

And every time anyone says the Lord’s Prayer that Jesus taught the apostles, they are praying for Gods kingdom to come ON EARTH from heaven.

Thy kingdom COME thy will be done ON EARTH, as it is in heaven.

That's a tired rebuttal to this particular debate.

It is God's WILL that is done on the earth. Just as it is in heaven.

Nothing to do with God's Kingdom being upon the earth.

Simple. Not complicated.

 

[GEN2REV]

Well you say these things because you do not take Scripture as written but as allegorically retranslated! Israel is in the land as prophesied literally!
Jerusalem is in Jewish hands as prophesied literally.
Sorry there is m0ore than one resurrection! REv. 20

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

See you do not teach from teh Word of God, but the retranslated word of God according to your allegorical preachers.

You just keep going back to Rev. 20 because it is the only leg you believe you have to stand on, while in reality, it does not support the Millennium Doctrine at all. It is contradicted many times by other chapters of Rev. as well as many other verses elsewhere.

The Land Promise to Israel is a critical "LEG" for the pre-mill. doctrine. Without it, Pre-Mill can't function at all. It is a vital organ which, once removed, destroys the life of the doctrine entirely. They claim it is a remaining promise to Israel that God has not fulfilled and thus there is a necessity for a 1,000 year period of time upon the earth after Christ returns for God to make good on His promises.

This promise was completed thousands of years ago.

These verses are, as you say, scripture "as it is written." And it couldn't be more plainly written:

"And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought (Nothing failed) of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass."
Joshua 21:43-45

"... ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. ... all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; ...."
Joshua 23: 14-15

I mean, that's case closed in my book.

Land promises to Israel? Done. Completed.

The pre-mill agenda will rage on as if these verses don't exist though. World without end.

 

[GEN2REV]

Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?
OP ^

Yes.

Matt 25:
[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

The brightness of His coming destroys all wickedness upon the earth. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

So all those present in the above verses are in a spiritual/resurrected state not upon the physical earth.
Thrones in the Bible are always in the spirit/heavenly realm and the earth and heavens will not be able to exist before His face - if we're taking Revelation literally that is.

"And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was no place found for them."
Rev. 20:11

No Mill. Kingdom upon the physical earth.

 

[Jay Ross]

Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?
OP ^

Yes.

Matt 25:
[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

I disagree.

The Sheep/Goat Judgement is used to separate those who will enter Eternity and those who will not of those who call Jesus "Lord, Lord."

Matt. 7:21-23: - 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'​

The Parable of the separation of the sheep from the goats confirms what the basis of the rejection of Matt. 7:21-23 will be based on.

 

[Jay Ross]

That is the only place He can ever be High Priest. He cannot be Priest on the earth, which contradicts your pre-mill. agenda.

"We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. ... For if He were on earth, He should not be a priest, ..."
Hebrews 8:1-2, 4

God's Kingdom is a spiritual/heavenly Kingdom. It will never be upon the earth.

"My Kingdom is not of this world: ... My Kingdom (is) not from hence."
John 18:36

"The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: ... the Kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:20-21

Again you have created another straw man argument by claiming that I I have a "pre-mil agenda," which then allowed you to continue posting what you wanted to say by creating the façade that I had made a claim that i had not. This is a false argument technique and one I would encourage you to not use. If you believe in what you post is God's truth, then there is no need for you to denigrate another member to enable you to post your "truth."

People are able to see what you do and you undo any good points that you may be making. There was no need for you to make this statement in your post as you know that it is a false statement which is not backed up by what I have posted.

which contradicts your pre-mill. agenda.

Please desist from doing so in the future.

 

[Taken]

No Mill. Kingdom upon the physical earth.

Learn the Scriptures, OF the millennial reign....and WHY there IS a millennial reign upon the Earth.

IF one Believes Scripture ...Yes there is a millennial kingdom upon the earth...
Rev 20:
[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

After the millennial kingdom upon the earth....all who are with Satan, (fallen angels, and men) shall be judged, sent off the face of the earth....

Rev 20:
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And THEN;

Rev.21
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[Taken]

I disagree.

The Sheep/Goat Judgement is used to separate those who will enter Eternity and those who will not of those who call Jesus "Lord, Lord."

Matt. 7:21-23: - 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'​

The Parable of the separation of the sheep from the goats confirms what the basis of the rejection of Matt. 7:21-23 will be based on.

Welp ok you disagree. Yet, what I said was exactly Separation of the Sheep on his Right Hand and Goats on his Left Hand....Right Hand/ Left Hand...ie Separation!

 

[GEN2REV]

Again you have created another straw man argument by claiming that I I have a "pre-mil agenda," which then allowed you to continue posting what you wanted to say by creating the façade that I had made a claim that i had not. This is a false argument technique and one I would encourage you to not use. If you believe in what you post is God's truth, then there is no need for you to denigrate another member to enable you to post your "truth."

People are able to see what you do and you undo any good points that you may be making. There was no need for you to make this statement in your post as you know that it is a false statement which is not backed up by what I have posted.



Please desist from doing so in the future.

Change the subject much?

Most here who push the Pre-Mill agenda, do so very intensely ... with no reason or logic involved whatsoever.

If you are not one of them, you are in the minority.

Good for you.

Having said that, I think you wasted the lecture you'd saved for someone attacking you viciously with cursing and personal insults. What I said was pretty bland.

Kind of an overkill response, in my opinion. Exactly the type of tactic used by those who are attempting to redirect the focus from their inaccurate comments to a personal false accusation upon the person who corrected them.

"I may be wrong, but you're just ... bad."

 

[Truth7t7]

I disagree.

The Sheep/Goat Judgement is used to separate those who will enter Eternity and those who will not of those who call Jesus "Lord, Lord."

Matt. 7:21-23: - 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'​

The Parable of the separation of the sheep from the goats confirms what the basis of the rejection of Matt. 7:21-23 will be based on.

Sheep/goat judgement is self explanatory, in the final judgement seen in verse 46, eternal life, eternal punishment (The End)

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Curtis]

You're just completely ignoring Isaiah 13:9-11 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 which coincide perfectly with Christ's return in Matthew 24:29-31.

No honest man can deny the language therein. It is all undebatably taking place immediately after Christ's return on the exact same day. The Last Day of the world. No ridiculous 42-month space between Matthew 24:29 & 30. The Bible makes it plain for all who are honest.

"Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."
Isaiah 13:9-11

"The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. The heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat, the Earth also, the works shall be burned up. - (then it repeats it so there is no mistake) - The heavens being on fire and the elements shall melt with fervent heat."
2 Peter 3:10-12

Matthew 24 doesn’t exist in a vacuum,

Matthew 25 continues the narrative of His Matthew 24 second coming, and after that second coming is the judgment of the sheep and goat nations to determine who enters the kingdom on earth that starts at His return.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

These are the nations of people left on earth after His second coming, which agrees completely with Zechariah 14, but disagrees with your scenario.

And BTW you cite the day of the lord verses, but ignore the fact that the day of the Lord occurs in Zechariah 14:1 before His second coming in 14:4-5, where He saves Jerusalem from from complete destruction, then remains there in Jerusalem, and the heathen nations of the world such as Egypt, which is mentioned there, goes up to the city to worship Jesus 14:16 to the end of the chapter.

They remain on earth for the entire 1,000 years Satan is bound, and it’s those nations satan deceives into surrounding and attacking the holy city, who are destroyed by fire coming from heaven, after he is loosed::

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Tell me, just where do you think those nations that Satan deceives and gathers to attack the holy city come from in your scenario?

They are those left alive in Zechariah 14 after Jesus returns, who Jesus let enter the kingdom at the judgment of the sheep and goat nations in Matthew 25.

So your eschatology is flawed, you haven’t examined all scriptures on this issue.

 

[GEN2REV]

Matthew 25 continues the narrative of His Matthew 24 second coming, and after that second coming is the judgment of the sheep and goat nations to determine who enters the kingdom on earth that starts at His return.

I've already shown that the earth cannot remain in the presence of Christ. The heavens and earth flee away from the face of Him who sits upon the throne. That's part of your own chapter. Revelation 20:11

These are the nations of people left on earth after His second coming, which agrees completely with Zechariah 14, but disagrees with your scenario.

There is no earth after His second coming.

It is destroyed. Isaiah 13:9
It is laid desolate. Isaiah 13:9
It is punished. Isaiah 13:11
It is melted. 2 Peter 3:10
It is burned up. 2 Peter 3:10
It passes away. 2 Peter 3:10

And BTW you cite the day of the lord verses, but ignore the fact that the day of the Lord occurs in Zechariah 14:1 before His second coming in 14:4-5, where He saves Jerusalem from from complete destruction, then remains there in Jerusalem, and the heathen nations of the world such as Egypt, which is mentioned there, goes up to the city to worship Jesus 14:16 to the end of the chapter.

No, it doesn't occur before His Second Coming, Curtis. Take an honest look at verses 3-4 there. They're connected with an "And." That means verse 4 is a continuation of, or re-stating of, verse 3.

"Then shall the Lord go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. AND His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, ..."
Zechariah 14:3-4

So He begins from there as He sets forth to defeat all wickedness is what it's saying, BUT this is prophetic language as well. So, it's not necessarily literal. Not saying it doesn't support my position as is though.

It does state in verse 11 "there shall be no more utter destruction." And the heathen you speak of are destroyed, it's those who are left that will go up to worship. The Jerusalem of God comes down from heaven. NOT of this earth, but heavenly. Part of the New Heaven and New Earth. Again, that's part of your Revelation material. Revelation 21:1-2, 10

Tell me, just where do you think those nations that Satan deceives and gathers to attack the holy city come from in your scenario?

They come from prior to Christ's return.

They are those left alive in Zechariah 14 after Jesus returns, who Jesus let enter the kingdom at the judgment of the sheep and goat nations in Matthew 25.

No, they're not. You're making false connections. The sheep and goats are gathered before Christ, after the world is destroyed, in resurrected bodies at the great white throne judgment in heaven.

"When the Son of Man shall come ... then shall He sit upon the throne (heavenly) ... and before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a Shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats: And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Matthew 25:31-34

Does that sound like a description of this fallen, corrupted, polluted, dying, groaning world that we're living in today?

No. It is the New Heaven and New Earth.

And here is where the goats go:
"Then shall He say ... unto them on them on the left hand, Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
Matthew 25:41, 46

So your eschatology is flawed, you haven’t examined all scriptures on this issue.

Again, you're making inaccurate connections between passages of different books. They must line up properly to be 'rightly divided Word.'

 

[Curtis]

That is the only place He can ever be High Priest. He cannot be Priest on the earth, which contradicts your pre-mill. agenda.

"We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. ... For if He were on earth, He should not be a priest, ..."
Hebrews 8:1-2, 4

God's Kingdom is a spiritual/heavenly Kingdom. It will never be upon the earth.

"My Kingdom is not of this world: ... My Kingdom (is) not from hence."
John 18:36

"The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: ... the Kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:20-21

Wow do you need to read the Bible.

He comes twice, not jut once. The first time as a lamb, the second time as the lion of Judah.

The first time the kingdom was spiritual, the second time He comes, it is to set up His eternal kingdom on earth, in Jerusalem, on the throne of David. per the many specific prophecies in Luke, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and more.

Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the GOVERNMENT shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Isa 9:7Of the increase of his GOVERNMENT and peace there shall be no end, upon the THRONE of David, and upon his KINGDOMS, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth evenFOREVER. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


1Ki 2:45And king Solomon shall beblessed, and the THRONE of David shall be established before the LORD FOREVER.


Jeremiah 23:5-6“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, that I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; a KING shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely; now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS”

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 25 continues the narrative of His Matthew 24 second coming, and after that second coming is the judgment of the sheep and goat nations to determine who enters the kingdom on earth that starts at His return.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

These are the nations of people left on earth after His second coming, which agrees completely with Zechariah 14, but disagrees with your scenario.

And BTW you cite the day of the lord verses, but ignore the fact that the day of the Lord occurs in Zechariah 14:1 before His second coming in 14:4-5, where He saves Jerusalem from from complete destruction, then remains there in Jerusalem, and the heathen nations of the world such as Egypt, which is mentioned there, goes up to the city to worship Jesus 14:16 to the end of the chapter.

They remain on earth for the entire 1,000 years Satan is bound, and it’s those nations satan deceives into surrounding and attacking the holy city, who are destroyed by fire coming from heaven, after he is loosed::

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Tell me, just where do you think those nations that Satan deceives and gathers to attack the holy city come from in your scenario?

They are those left alive in Zechariah 14 after Jesus returns, who Jesus let enter the kingdom at the judgment of the sheep and goat nations in Matthew 25.

So your eschatology is flawed, you haven’t examined all scriptures on this issue.

"False"

Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than a "Parable" to "Herdsmen" using sheep/goats in explanation of the Great White Throne judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Yes Matthew 25:46 clearly shows this "final judgement", eternal life, eternal punishment, (The End) with no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Truth7t7]

I've already shown that the earth cannot remain in the presence of Christ. The heavens and earth flee away from the face of Him who sits upon the throne. That's part of your own chapter. Revelation 20:11
There is no earth after His second coming.

It is destroyed. Isaiah 13:9
It is laid desolate. Isaiah 13:9
It is punished. Isaiah 13:11
It is melted. 2 Peter 3:10
It is burned up. 2 Peter 3:10
It passes away. 2 Peter 3:10
No, it doesn't occur before His Second Coming, Curtis. Take an honest look at verses 3-4 there. They're connected with an "And." That means verse 4 is a continuation of, or re-stating of, verse 3.

"Then shall the Lord go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. AND His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, ..."
Zechariah 14:3-4

So He begins from there as He sets forth to defeat all wickedness is what it's saying, BUT this is prophetic language as well. So, it's not necessarily literal. Not saying it doesn't support my position as is though.

It does state in verse 11 "there shall be no more utter destruction." And the heathen you speak of are destroyed, it's those who are left that will go up to worship. The Jerusalem of God comes down from heaven. NOT of this earth, but heavenly. Part of the New Heaven and New Earth. Again, that's part of your Revelation material. Revelation 21:1-2, 10

They come from prior to Christ's return.
No, they're not. You're making false connections. The sheep and goats are gathered before Christ, after the world is destroyed, in resurrected bodies at the great white throne judgment in heaven.

"When the Son of Man shall come ... then shall He sit upon the throne (heavenly) ... and before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a Shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats: And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Matthew 25:31-34

Does that sound like a description of this fallen, corrupted, polluted, dying, groaning world that we're living in today?

No. It is the New Heaven and New Earth.

And here is where the goats go:
"Then shall He say ... unto them on them on the left hand, Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
Matthew 25:41, 46
Again, you're making inaccurate connections between passages of different books. They must line up properly to be 'rightly divided Word.'

I believe scripture clearly teaches the "Resurrection" & "Judgement" takes place in the "twinkling of and eye", when mortal puts on immortality, death is swallowed up in victory

We cant look at the final judgement through human earthly eyes, but understand the clear teaching of the twinkling of an eye seen below

1 Corinthians 15:51-54KJV
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Jay Ross]

Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?
OP ^

Yes.

Matt 25:
[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

To which I responded with: -

I disagree.

The Sheep/Goat Judgement is used to separate those who will enter Eternity and those who will not of those who call Jesus "Lord, Lord."

Matt. 7:21-23: - 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'​

The Parable of the separation of the sheep from the goats confirms what the basis of the rejection of Matt. 7:21-23 will be based on.

And you responded with this statement: -

Welp ok you disagree. Yet, what I said was exactly Separation of the Sheep on his Right Hand and Goats on his Left Hand....Right Hand/ Left Hand...ie Separation!

But you in the first quoted post above, stated that: -

"Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?
OP ^

Yes."

I disagreed that the Separation of the Sheep from the Goats is used to enter the Millennial Kingdom but it is rather used so as to separate those who will enter Eternity, i.e. the sheep, from those who will go into the Lake of Fire, i.e. the Goats.

Then in your last post quoted above, you ignore whether or not the judgement is to separate the sheep from the Goats as to who goes into what, the Millennium Kingdom or Eternity. You have left that part of what you and I have posted hanging.

 

[Truth7t7]

To which I responded with: -



And you responded with this statement: -



But you in the first quoted post above, stated that: -

"Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?
OP ^

Yes."

I disagreed that the Separation of the Sheep from the Goats is used to enter the Millennial Kingdom but it is rather used so as to separate those who will enter Eternity, i.e. the sheep, from those who will go into the Lake of Fire, i.e. the Goats.

Then in your last post quoted above, you ignore whether or not the judgement is to separate the sheep from the Goats as to who goes into what, the Millennium Kingdom or Eternity. You have left that part of what you and I have posted hanging.

Through the whole thread they leave it hanging, because the sheep/goat is nothing more than a parable of the final judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

They dont want to see the truth of the final judgement, because they falsely prop up a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, found no place in scripture