Is the 'Be Ready' idea from tongue speakers the same as Christ's?

[Phillip]

Here's a way to know whether one speaking in 'tongues' is truly speaking by The Holy Spirit.

One of the tongues' messages often spoken and interpreted is for those in Christ to get ready for His coming to take them to Heaven. A Pre-trib rapture idea is often interpreted along with that.

But does that interpretation of the tongue's message fit the "be ye also ready" that our Lord Jesus gave?


Matt 24:42-51
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
(KJV)

No. There message betrays their false doctrine of "tongues". They fail miserably in the "trying of the spirits". Tongue speakers hold to a religion of "futurism". They believe in a singular calendar event and call it the "second coming". They think that the Kingdom of God is yet to come upon this planet. They are hopeless dispensationalists.

Christ Comes unto each man "in his own order". (1 cor 15:23) This contradicts the "Jesus is coming soon" message of tongue speakers. For if Christ isn't now Come into us, we have no future hope.

There is no end time "second coming". That is just the false teachings of dispensationalism. That is why such words are never used in scripture.

If Christ hasn't COME to you in Glory and righteousness and Joy and Peace in the Kingdom of God within your Temple Body while it is called To Day, be very very worried.

 

[veteran]

No. There message betrays their false doctrine of "tongues". They fail miserably in the "trying of the spirits". Tongue speakers hold to a religion of "futurism". They believe in a singular calendar event and call it the "second coming". They think that the Kingdom of God is yet to come upon this planet. They are hopeless dispensationalists.

Christ Comes unto each man "in his own order". (1 cor 15:23) This contradicts the "Jesus is coming soon" message of tongue speakers. For if Christ isn't now Come into us, we have no future hope.

There is no end time "second coming". That is just the false teachings of dispensationalism. That is why such words are never used in scripture.

If Christ hasn't COME to you in Glory and righteousness and Joy and Peace in the Kingdom of God within your Temple Body while it is called To Day, be very very worried.

It's hard to believe that a professed Christian could hold to such beliefs as those Phillip, for our Heavenly Father and His Son, the Apostles and prophets, all... declare an earthly Kingdom of the world yet to come, and not one of this present world.

The ONLY ones trying to profess that God's Kingdom has already come on this earth today are today's Globalists that claim to be associated with the Church. Those have since long ago left what God's Word declares as written, in favor of their own belief systems.

 

[Phillip]

It's hard to believe that a professed Christian could hold to such beliefs as those Phillip, for our Heavenly Father and His Son, the Apostles and prophets, all... declare an earthly Kingdom of the world yet to come, and not one of this present world.

The ONLY ones trying to profess that God's Kingdom has already come on this earth today are today's Globalists that claim to be associated with the Church. Those have since long ago left what God's Word declares as written, in favor of their own belief systems.

I don't know about them, but no matter, it has nothing to do with scriptures.

(Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:


(Luk 17:21)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom Comes only as Jesus brought/brings it into us, as by His Word. When we receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Come into us, the Kingdom of God is in US. Nobody teaches this ultimate truth hardly anymore. WE are the "earth" or "land" into which the Kingdom has come. Read Heb 11 for instance. The "heavenly country" is a "building" of God. It is the "rasising" of the Temple Body from the dead. It is all about being baptized by water and the Holy Spirit and living the resurrection Life of Christ in us NOW. It isn't a futuristic thing to happen on the 'planet' lol.

This is HOW the Kingdom of God "Comes";

(Luk 13:20) And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
(Luk 13:21) It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


There you go :) This is what the Kingdom of God is all about. Where, when, how... and it is IN US in righteousness joy and peace in the Holy Spirit.

(Rom 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

And another place Jesus says quite plainly that His Kingdom is "not of this world" (contrary to what "christians" now teach);


(Joh 18:36) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


So there we have it perfectly established that the Kingdom of God is not of this world, doesn't come by "observation", and isn't in some particular "place" on the planet. Also, we have established that the Kingdom of God grows within us as the parable shows, and is ONLY within us, and is NOW. Not some "place" else or some "time" else. Peace

 

[veteran]

God's Holy Writ was given by and through The Holy Spirit, so the true cloven tongue spoken on Pentecost is not going to ever... contradict God's Holy Writ, for that would be The Holy Spirit contradicting Himself.

Yet that's exactly what some do when they interpret one speaking in tongues with attaching the Pre-trib rapture idea to it with saying it means to be ready to be raptured prior to the tribulation. That was the same exact kind of working that was going on in the Edward Irving church in 1830's Britain which John Darby himself even later disavowed himself from.

All those I personally know that speak in tongues hold to a Pre-trib rapture idea, with only one friend that has doubts, though he still attends a Church that preaches the 1830's Pre-trib rapture idea. The following is what I explained to him, and now explain to those who claim to speak in the cloven tongue of Pentecost...

Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
(KJV)


That above is our Lord Jesus' Message to His servants for DURING the great tribulation time He taught in His Olivet Discourse while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples. It is specifically linked to events of the 5th Seal of Revelation 6. It's part of the 7 signs of the end He was giving them, and us, there while upon the Mount of Olives, the very area on earth where His prophesied return is to be per Zech.14 and Acts 1.

One of the duties for some of His servants for during... the tribulation, is to be delivered up to councils and synagogues for Christ's sake, in order TO GIVE A TESTIMONY against His enemies.

Our Lord Jesus was very specific for those to not premeditate what they are going to say in that hour, but to speak what The Holy Spirit gives to say, for it will be The Holy Spirit speaking, giving a testimony against His enemies.

THAT is what the TRUE cloven tongue in the end times is really for.

God is going to SPEAK through His servants against His enemies, during what time again? DURING the great tribulation!

So how is it, many who claim to speak the cloven tongue are so busy believing they are supposed to be 'raptured' PRIOR to that very tribulation??? How will they fulfill that duty for Christ if they are not present during the tribulation? Holy Writ is very clear that His Church is going to be here on earth to go through the great tribulation our Lord Jesus warned of in Matt.24, simply because of this delivering up event, and the time of Christ's coming and our gathering after... that tribulation, as written there.

What this suggests, is that there also is a fake tongues manifesting among some Churches today. And proof of that is how the fake one is leading some of Christ's servants away... from that very duty for the tribulation that God has ordained His cloven tongue to be used for!

A Warning:
An old method of pagan worship to get another spriit rolling among the crowd used repetitive drums and chants, over and over, burning of incense, use of mystical paraphenallia and mysterious incantations of ancient words, all to drive the people's emotions up to induce spirits to manifest among them. This was one of the most ancient uses of musical instruments in religious worship. It's why some Christian Churches don't allow musical instruments to be used during their Church service.

I don't know about them, but no matter, it has nothing to do with scriptures.

(Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:


(Luk 17:21)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom Comes only as Jesus brought/brings it into us, as by His Word. When we receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Come into us, the Kingdom of God is in US. Nobody teaches this ultimate truth hardly anymore. WE are the "earth" or "land" into which the Kingdom has come. Read Heb 11 for instance. The "heavenly country" is a "building" of God. It is the "rasising" of the Temple Body from the dead. It is all about being baptized by water and the Holy Spirit and living the resurrection Life of Christ in us NOW. It isn't a futuristic thing to happen on the 'planet' lol.

This is HOW the Kingdom of God "Comes";

(Luk 13:20) And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
(Luk 13:21) It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


There you go :) This is what the Kingdom of God is all about. Where, when, how... and it is IN US in righteousness joy and peace in the Holy Spirit.

(Rom 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

And another place Jesus says quite plainly that His Kingdom is "not of this world" (contrary to what "christians" now teach);


(Joh 18:36) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


So there we have it perfectly established that the Kingdom of God is not of this world, doesn't come by "observation", and isn't in some particular "place" on the planet. Also, we have established that the Kingdom of God grows within us as the parable shows, and is ONLY within us, and is NOW. Not some "place" else or some "time" else. Peace

Try that kind of interpretation with what Peter taught in 2 Peter 3 about the new heavens and a new earth.

 

[Lively Stone]

No, it doesn't. The OP is about having discerning whether one who is speaking in tongues is truly speaking by the Holy Spirit, using the pretubulation rapture as one example. Nowhere in his post did he imply that all charasmatics are pretribbers.

Yeah...right.

It's hard to believe that a professed Christian could hold to such beliefs as those Phillip, for our Heavenly Father and His Son, the Apostles and prophets, all... declare an earthly Kingdom of the world yet to come, and not one of this present world.

The ONLY ones trying to profess that God's Kingdom has already come on this earth today are today's Globalists that claim to be associated with the Church. Those have since long ago left what God's Word declares as written, in favor of their own belief systems.

And preterists.

 

[veteran]

And preterists.

Yes, the globalist type Christian believers include many on the 'Full Preterism' doctrines of men, but not all Preterists.