Is Jesus the only Way?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

<H. Richard says that overcoming sin by the Spirit is an effort of the flesh...>

I cannot disagree. ...it IS an choice of the old man, to choose daily to be an overcomer in whatever situation arrises. And that choice is via Grace...we could not be an overcomer without it.
Grace - God's ability IN ME to do what 'I' can't do.

I must disagree. It is no <choice of the old man, to choose daily to be an overcomer>. The <old man>, <IS> "dead in sin" and cannot 'choose' - has, no 'choice', in or under <whatever situation arises> BECAUSE, <<that choice is via Grace>>... grace from God <we could not be an overcomer without>.
BECAUSE, <<Grace (is) GOD'S ability>> WITHOUT ME, <to do what 'I' can't do> for me or for myself.

 

[marks]

H. Richard says that overcoming sin by the Spirit is an effort of the flesh...but NOT overcoming sin in the flesh is to put your trust in Jesus' forgiveness (since he doesn't believe in an actual grace to walk in the resurrection power of Jesus).
So he denies the power of Christ that gives us the strength to do as He did. He denies that grace empowers us to walk as Jesus walked. As many do in the modern churches.

@H.Richard can correct me if this isn't what he means . . .

I think that what he's saying is that if the war over sin is what you are doing, then this is your flesh fighting sin. The real victory over sin is not to focus on monitoring and controlling our behavior, rather, the focus is one trusting and loving Jesus, and then victory over sin manifests itself by our focus on Him.

If we walk in the Spirit we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. So the way to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh is to walk in the Spirit. Not by attempting to control our flesh, which we never could do anyway.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I firmly believe in it and have walked in it in experience. So I know of the power of this life that Jesus came to earth to give us. And it is called GRACE. Hence the confusion of people who were taught that grace is just favouritism from God for a set of beliefs ABOUT God. As if God rewarded lip service.

Very well stated imo.

Much love!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Sin still abounds in the world today due to the power of Satan.

Sin still abounds in the world today due to the Totally Depraved Nature of man and his powerlessness to withstand himself or his sinfulness.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Resurrection - Jesus was known as the ‘firstfruits’ of the resurrection that would occur to all believers (1 Cor. 15.20-23). The Torah commands that the Day of Firstfruits take place the day after the first Sabbath following the Passover (Lev. 23.5, 10-11). In other words, on a Sunday. Mark has Jesus rise on Sunday, the firstftuits of the resurrected, symbolically on the very Day of Firstfruits itself.

Saving this whole post because seen with the gracious gift from God of faith it contains precious truths which unfortunately are all here PERVERTED through unbelief of "little knowledge that drives one to madness". There is no scholarship in this post; it's pure BLUFF.

For the deciding factor in this post is not <plagiarism>, but that it contains grossest ERROR of plain universal falsity, <<The Torah commands that the Day of Firstfruits take place the day after the first Sabbath following the Passover (Lev. 23.5, 10-11). In other words, on a Sunday. Mark has Jesus rise on Sunday, the firstftuits of the resurrected, symbolically on the very Day of Firstfruits itself.>>

 

[marks]

Where does the Bible say that Christ destroyed the power of sin ?

Hi Reggie,

I'd like to add a passage to what @Enoch111 posted:

Romans 6
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

"might be destroyed", literally "may be being nullified", or "rendered powerless", "made of no effect", these are different ways this phrase is translated.

Much love!

 

[shnarkle]

Greetings to all...even those who by seeing the OP title are already spoiling for a fight! ;)

The title of the OP is vague in that it brings in an already determined...even set in stone...religious response that tends to be jumped on without a second thought.

So then the OP can mean various things...many of these are presumed. A carnal man will get defensive about his possession of Jesus the way a hungry person looks at his next meal.

We need to be clear on where this is going.

For many people the bible is truth only insofar as they are the ones that are doing the interpreting. So then the bible itself is not being actually respected ...it is the interpretation that it is being given....THAT is what is being respected and trusted as truth. If such a person is corrected by the bible they will ignore the verses that would seem to contradict their stance...and not think twice about it.

We see the same thing with OUR understanding of Jesus...too often an erroneous, programmed and religious idea of Jesus.

Do we really believe the way of Jesus is important? Really? Do we realize that Jesus was far more critical of religious people than of sinners in the flesh?

As in...Sinners and prostitutes will get into the kingdom before you...who are religious hypocrites.

Mat. 21:31 "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you.

Now homosexuality is the "sin du jour" of our time. But is this a carnal sin or a religious sin? If we judge one sin over another...or judge at all...in the class of sin that is with the flesh...are we not doing a greater sin as the pharisees did? Are we not reacting to the flesh as they? Are we not displaying a "sin preference"?

Did Jesus do this? Or did He treat physical sins of the flesh as an ailment of someone who needs a doctor...not condemnation?

The wise will consider this.

I hate the whole idea of homosexuality. But can I not see weakness and brokenness for what it is...without my own judgment and hatreds getting into the mix?

We are to love, not judge. Of course we are to discern and be able to help people. We are here to save lives not kill people or condemn them. Just like Jesus did. :)

In response to the religious hypocrites of Jesus' day, he presents to them the faith of the pagan Centurion, the Syrophoenician woman and the heretical Samaritan.

Jesus is the way, but the way isn't Jesus. Jesus proclaimed self sacrifice Unlike most preachers today, he practiced what he preached, and in order for us to follow in his footsteps we need to sacrifice our lives as well, but ultimately this isn't going to happen unless or until God reveals the kingdom to us. That is when one is able to freely walk away from their lives, and become "the way'. It is only then that anyone can make that claim just as the early church did.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The Devil comes first or before Jesus is come again and sadly that is who most people worship nowadays, I was just talking to a Islamic dude and another Christian mate was asking him questions and yes my mate worked out that the Islamic dude was waiting for the Devil to come, nice Islamic dude for sure, but just as mislead like the Jews are and most Christians are.

So what we have now is a majority of religious people who are being mislead and it does not matter what religion they are in as all religious denominations are corrupted, just as the Bible says they will be.

Sadly most think that they just have to be a nice person and not offend anyone regardless, boy even atheist and Satanist peddle that rubbish. that's just humanism going down a mans works trip. such people are dangerous not to mention truly evil, I had one woman at a forum we go and it was about Islam ect and she is a RC and I pointed out that the Pope is a fool in saying that Islam worships the same God as Christians and she made out that I would be better to read a book that was their you can borrow, it's not a Catholic book, but the insinuation was that I would be better informed by reading it.
I said that she would be better off studying the Bible for once but she had no intention of doing that as she looks to the Pope for that guidance.
Yes the same mob that brought you Sodomite Priest and insist you look up to them, give over !
The Devil himself comes across as a Angel of light to fools who know no better. not to mention Satanist are all about deceptions, leading people astray from the Lord Jesus

So new age people who are looking to the 2ed coming are just like moths to the flames. so why do the works of Satan, so that Jesus will come again ? such a one is truly only tempting God and they will be burnt up for their works are not worthy of God. fact is that one must come to Jesus Christ and abide in him and serve him only. such a one is then saved and in the Kingdom of God, they don't need no 2ed coming because they have it all within their grasp. they are not looking, for they have everything that the second coming will deliver, to them who survive. them who survive will be born again, so the fact is that born again is the same thing now as it will be in the future second coming. it's no different.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Sadly most people think that it's all going to be a fun time to the leading up to the second coming, or some believe that they are not going to go through the Hellfire and be raptured up before hand, but that is a Satanic lie so as to tempt you so as to lead you astray, so no you can not set about do evil to your fellow man and be saved. one should never be tempted that good will come from evil. evil only begets evil, not to mention that you reap what you sow.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I didn't really grasp a whole lot of those last two posts but...is it those who believe or suspect a gathering together will occur before that time of testing coming on the whole world, of which they should pray to be counted worthy to escape, who are waiting for Satan to come? OR, is it those who DONT believe or suspect a gathering together?

I don't say this to argue a point but rather to say, which ones wait for Satan to come - those who say there is no gathering together or those who think there is.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The world is under the power of Satan, he and his mob is running the show, but his power will grow and Christ Jesus has lost now because the majority of the Christian world have turned their back on Christ Jesus, because they have been lead astray and that deception has increased so that the Nations do not heed to the word at all and that the governments are now god ! and the people only respect that position and they do not respect Christ Jesus at all in fact, I only need go down to the Church to see that they do not preach Christ Jesus.

I just seen an old 1960's movie where a Priest was preaching the Bible, and boy most church people got offend and the Church wanted to kick him out, not to mention some of the people were very impressed at his preaching saying how honest he was and did not care who he offended.

So Christ will be put aside as he is now and the people will reap what they sow, because such people are carnal filthy animals that are lost to Sin and we will have a great Golden Calf, and the great Socialism will become Communism and the people treated like the dumb cattle that they are, just like the Talmud claim that they are, just as they have always insisted that they are and then will come the dealing with all of the cattle to be sold like cattle or slaughter yard, just like the Talmud did with the Jews who were German descendant Jews, who pointed them Talmud so called Zionist out for who they truly are were a threat to them and their Nazi fool mates that they created.

 

[Philip James]

and in order for us to follow in his footsteps we need to sacrifice our lives as well,

I know a few men who have sacrificed their lives to serve the Lord and His church..

Peace be with you!

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!