Is it possible to be SCRIPTURALLY CORRECT AND NOT BE SPIRITUALLY CORRECT?

[Taken]

I consider the words of God and Jesus. I'm not aware of anything either said suggesting women were subservient to men.

I don’t view Males / Females As Dominate And Subservant…rather as Partners, Helpmates, each having specific roles, while having the ability to Compromise.

 

[Bob Estey]

I don’t view Males / Females As Dominate And Subservant…rather as Partners, Helpmates, each having specific roles, while having the ability to Compromise.

I don't think it's the role of either to rule over the other.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The Law was given as, and practiced by Israel, as part of the light unto the gentiles: which was given as a living parable made manifest, that all people would come to know the revelations of God.

In the case of circumcision, it was/is a parable showing the reality and need of removing and discard of the flesh that goes before (foreskin) of those also born [again] of the Spirit.

Can see what you are saying (I think).
I view Numbers five considering the Woman(Jerusalem which now is) judged under the law of jealousies made to drink of the cup of bitter water containing the curse, where if the Woman (Jerusalem which now is) be found guilty of adultery, she brings forth sin unto death,

or she (the Woman, New Jerusalem that is to come) is pronounced clean, being no more called an adulterous Wiman but Free, the Woman (New Jerusalem which is above) conceives, bears seed, and brings forth fruit. (Christ makes you so that you be neither barren, nor unfruitful).
It begins with ‘And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, …’ was it a parable to be given to the children of Israel, to bring light so that they might learn what happens to the Adulterous woman who goes astray, and the Woman who is pronounced clean, New Jerusalem above which is free and the Mother of us all)? It helps with Romans 7.

And even, is it given in parable? Judges 19:25-30 But the men would not listen to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. [26] Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light. [27] And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. [28] And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and went him unto his place. [29] And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel. [30] And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Pick and choose? God and Jesus are divine - we must obey them. No one else is divine.

Sorry but you ignore this:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You cannot discern what is and isn't of God apart from the Scriptures. To trust your own discernment and feelings is a dangerous fools game.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, I don't reject them. You can learn a lot from Paul. I just don't give them the authority that I give to God and Jesus.

Sorry but you are a buffet christian. You take the word of God and pick and choose what you will accept from them as from God and what isn't. You have set yourself up on equal to God

What authority do you use to determine what is from god and what is from Paul or Peter or James or Matthew or Luke??

 

[ScottA]

I just don't give them the authority

The only way you could or could not give them authority, is if you were God.

Are you God (rhetorical)?

 

[ScottA]

Can see what you are saying (I think).
I view Numbers five considering the Woman(Jerusalem which now is) judged under the law of jealousies made to drink of the cup of bitter water containing the curse, where if the Woman (Jerusalem which now is) be found guilty of adultery, she brings forth sin unto death,

or she (the Woman, New Jerusalem that is to come) is pronounced clean, being no more called an adulterous Wiman but Free, the Woman (New Jerusalem which is above) conceives, bears seed, and brings forth fruit. (Christ makes you so that you be neither barren, nor unfruitful).
It begins with ‘And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, …’ was it a parable to be given to the children of Israel, to bring light so that they might learn what happens to the Adulterous woman who goes astray, and the Woman who is pronounced clean, New Jerusalem above which is free and the Mother of us all)? It helps with Romans 7.

And even, is it given in parable? Judges 19:25-30 But the men would not listen to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. [26] Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light. [27] And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. [28] And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and went him unto his place. [29] And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel. [30] And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.

Yes, but that a bit hard to follow for most, I should think.

A simpler starting point to understand the many parables involving men and women, is to learn from the Bride and Bridegroom analogy, showing that God refers to himself as male and to people as female--that just as Eve was taken out from Adam, we were/are taken out from God; and in marriage, we too again become as if one flesh.

Many passages then become revealed as parables using men and women as examples to give a greater message and revelation regarding the relationship between God and mankind.

 

[Bob Estey]

Sorry but you ignore this:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You cannot discern what is and isn't of God apart from the Scriptures. To trust your own discernment and feelings is a dangerous fools game.

But you aren't quoting God or Jesus.

 

[Bob Estey]

Sorry but you are a buffet christian. You take the word of God and pick and choose what you will accept from them as from God and what isn't. You have set yourself up on equal to God

What authority do you use to determine what is from god and what is from Paul or Peter or James or Matthew or Luke??

No, I am a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of the Bible.

 

[Bob Estey]

The only way you could or could not give them authority, is if you were God.

Are you God (rhetorical)?

There is only one authority - God - and I'm not God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes, but that a bit hard to follow for most, I should think.

A simpler starting point to understand the many parables involving men and women, is to learn from the Bride and Bridegroom analogy, showing that God refers to himself as male and to people as female--that just as Eve was taken out from Adam, we were/are taken out from God; and in marriage, we too against become as if one flesh.

Many passages then become revealed as parables using men and women as examples to give a greater message and revelation regarding the relationship between God and mankind.

I wish there was a simple starting point. I’ve tried to find it when wishing to share with someone. For example wishing I could share it with my mother. Or my sisters. the best advice I ever received was to put Christ in the center of it and view it through the lens of Christ. Maybe that is the same as what you are saying. It makes sense to me in respect to two ministration: the ministration of condemnation or the ministration of the Spirit.

 

[ElieG12]

No, I am a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of the Bible.

If you are truly a follower of Jesus, shouldn't you consider the Holy Scriptures, just as He himself did?

John 10:35 ...the scripture cannot be nullified...

PS: He quoted Psal. 82:6 in John 10:34.

 

[Bob Estey]

If you are truly a follower of Jesus, shouldn't you consider the Holy Scriptures, just as He himself did?

John 10:35 ...the scripture cannot be nullified...

PS: He quoted Psal. 82:6 in John 10:34.

I don't put the Bible at the same level as God, other than when God and Jesus are quoted. There is a lot to learn from the rest of the Bible, but the rest of the Bible is not God.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

In regards what is written ? such can be way off with the pixies, when one peddles what is said in a line ?

The workings of the Devil can be at work in what one is peddling with some lines, as some religious I know use such lines so as to dominate their ends for such lines ?
I may say now listen boy, you have to read the whole book on that, so as to understand what such a line etc is truly coming from and not to mention have a very good handle on the whole Bible in fact in regards to what they are pushing ?

I get people who have only been brainwashed on so called points of the Bible, they do not have a real understanding of all of the books of the Bible at all truly !
They are just following some one as if this person knows ? so they just follow along with such blind faith and get angered if you do not follow along with them, because they are Dictating what things mean !

Thing is they will not even bother sit down to listen, but get in a rage and do not want anyone other to listen who came along with them ! They only peddle what is their own religions mantra, that is shallow and calles for people to be shallow narow minded fool and not to seek or find for ones self !

That's hard work to do it on your own in fact ! but the easy way is just to sit back and just believe everything that such a religion claims.

They are only making a religion for themselves ! the key to such is because they like what is being claimed ? but what if they do not like what is truly the word of God ? such is of value regardless but they will cut things out !

Some so called Christian denominations now claim the Bible is a word of god ? but it's truly The word of God ! they went and changed such ! and think they can get away with it, and they did ! for they have other gods in fact ! clearly that is the case with the change !
So nowadays we see such religious fools and idiots make claimes that Islam etc is on the same path as Christianity ? well no ! what they are truly on about is in regards to being Religious ! and yes Religious people are all at the same possition ? in regards that they are religious ? but they demand that all paths will lead to the same god ? but No ! they are only peddling their own man made gods in fact ? the stupid Pope Francis plays that moronic tune because he is not Saved in fact ! the creep will not say Christ Jesus unless he has to ! for he fears to offend the rest of the idiot religious in fact !

The whole point of Christianity is all about Christ Jesus in fact, it's the very Key ! and people who's Soul is Saved know it for a fact ! 100% as outside of that fact, religion never saved anyone.

 

[Gottservant]

I think the OP was right "the scribes and pharisees" now realise that Jesus was more than just "right", He is RIGHTEOUS, as He said "like a little child".

 

[ElieG12]

I don't put the Bible at the same level as God, other than when God and Jesus are quoted. There is a lot to learn from the rest of the Bible, but the rest of the Bible is not God.

Then you are clearly not a follower of Jesus, who said that the Scriptures cannot be nullified (John 10:35), since you nullify from the Scriptures whatever you see fit. Do you think if that were approved by Jesus, he would have said that the Scriptures cannot be abrogated?

The Greek verb he used in John 10:35 is λύω, meaning to free, to abrogate, to annule, ... in other words "to cause a state to cease", something you evidently do, a strategy of contempt that you defend when it seems to you.

What Jesus quoted from Psalm 82:6 were words written by Asaph or one of his Levite descendants; however, Jesus cited it as an example of the Scriptures that cannot be annulled.

The proliferation of nominal "Christians" who reject part of the Bible is the cause of the existence of so many contradictions among believers, denials of biblical teachings and, incidentally, the rejection of the Bible and of those who believe in its veracity and reliability as the word inspired by God in all its content.

 

[Bob Estey]

Then you are clearly not a follower of Jesus, who said that the Scriptures cannot be nullified (John 10:35), since you nullify from the Scriptures whatever you see fit. Do you think if that were approved by Jesus, he would have said that the Scriptures cannot be abrogated?

The Greek verb he used in John 10:35 is λύω, meaning to free, to abrogate, to annule, ... in other words "to cause a state to cease", something you evidently do, a strategy of contempt that you defend when it seems to you.

What Jesus quoted from Psalm 82:6 were words written by Asaph or one of his Levite descendants; however, Jesus cited it as an example of the Scriptures that cannot be annulled.

The proliferation of nominal "Christians" who reject part of the Bible is the cause of the existence of so many contradictions among believers, denials of biblical teachings and, incidentally, the rejection of the Bible and of those who believe in its veracity and reliability as the word inspired by God in all its content.

I am a follower of Jesus, not a follower of the Bible.

 

[ElieG12]

I am a follower of Jesus, not a follower of the Bible.

In your imagination you can be whatever you want: a follower of King Kong, a butterfly, a Phoenix, or whatever you think.
A different thing is if you really are.

 

[Bob Estey]

In your imagination you can be whatever you want: a follower of King Kong, a butterfly, a Phoenix, or whatever you think.
A different thing is if you really are.

I am a follower of Jesus Christ.

 

[ScottA]

I am a follower of Jesus, not a follower of the Bible.

Apparently, only in part.

And therefore, as it is written (as Jesus said) "with the same measure you use, it will be measured to you" (Mark 4:24).

In other words, if you only believe part, you will only receive part. Which explains a lot. You should read the whole passage yourself.