Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming

[ScottA]

'GOD is not an author of confusion but of peace.'

"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth." Genesis 11:7-9

 

[Fred J]

"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth." Genesis 11:7-9

Silly quote to refute mine, for, a good tree produces not 'bad fruit' like you, sorry.

You fail to understand the True and Living GOD of Grace and Truth, and apparently 'blaspheme'.

Scripturally you fail to distinguish between GOD's people/children of Light and HIS enemies/the rebellion world/children of darkness.

HE is not an author of confusion but of peace towards HIS people/church/children of Light.

On the other hand, HE is the Lord of confusion towards HIS enemies/the world/children of darkness.

The passage read, the Lord confused the language of the rebellion Nimrod and the rebellion people of the world who follow him.

ScottA, the more you're 'exposing' your 'fallacy', 'stop' and 'repent'.

 

[Fred J]

True--but because "the words are spirit" just as Christ said, the full and complete revelation of God--as it is written is not fully revealed until the seventh angel is about to sound (Revelation 10:7). This is that time.

The revealing is, what Paul 'foretold' about the end days in his epistles is a 'lie', proclaimed by ScottA's god.

ScottA's god deceived the church for 2,000 years with that 'lie', and today have come 'clean', bravo!

And 'rapture' is actually being born again of the Spirit of GOD at baptism, proclaimed by ScottA's god.

What else ScottA the mysteries of your god revealed??

 

[ScottA]

Silly quote to refute mine, for, a good tree produces not 'bad fruit' like you, sorry.

You fail to understand the True and Living GOD of Grace and Truth, and apparently 'blaspheme'.

Scripturally you fail to distinguish between GOD's people/children of Light and HIS enemies/the rebellion world/children of darkness.

HE is not an author of confusion but of peace towards HIS people/church/children of Light.

On the other hand, HE is the Lord of confusion towards HIS enemies/the world/children of darkness.

The passage read, the Lord confused the language of the rebellion Nimrod and the rebellion people of the world who follow him.

ScottA, the more you're 'exposing' your 'fallacy', 'stop' and 'repent'.

Here again you confirm your erroneous position, as God clearly stated His "confusion" was to "all."

But again I will offer correction - those who have an ear to hear, let them hear:

The original language in Genesis 11:7 is "confound" or "confuse": The KJV translates Strong's H1101 in the following manner: mingled (37x), confound (2x), anointed (1x), mixed (1x), give provender (1x), tempered (1x), non translated variant (1x).​

1. to mix, mingle, confuse, confound
   1. (Qal)
      1. to mingle, confuse
      2. to mix

While the original language and the mistranslation and cause of the false doctrine taught for these past 2,000 years, is from 1 Corinthians 14:33 is "confusion" or more accurately "disorder": The KJV translates Strong's G181 in the following manner: confusion (2x), tumult (2x), commotion (1x).​

1. instability, a state of disorder, disturbance, confusion

 

[ScottA]

The revealing is, what Paul 'foretold' about the end days in his epistles is a 'lie', proclaimed by ScottA's god.

ScottA's god deceived the church for 2,000 years with that 'lie', and today have come 'clean', bravo!

And 'rapture' is actually being born again of the Spirit of GOD at baptism, proclaimed by ScottA's god.

What else ScottA the mysteries of your god revealed??

For the record (of you rejection of the truth, and blaspheme against the Spirit).

 

[JLB]

All truth (John 16:13) and the finish of the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7) is promised. Meaning, there is a time when we actually do come to "know the day and the hour" of the Lord's coming (Matthew 24:36).

That day and hour--although many do not recognize or acknowledge it as such--is the day and hour in which the Lord comes knocking and we open to Him (Revelation 3:20). At such a time we are born again of the spirit of God, as that is the time of His spirit coming into us. Such is the culmination of all scripture and the works of God toward our salvation. In that moment one is changed, having passed from death to life, never to be the same, as a new creation.

Much confusion however, has come from the fact that we who are alive and spiritually anew within, remain within our old physical self until the Lord is through with our physical body which then carries the good news and testimony of Christ within. Paul referred to this, saying "we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:14). Which does not mean that He has not yet come unto those alive and remaining, but rather that He has not yet come to all--to whom we who are alive and remain then aid in His coming to those to whom He comes after us. Which we do by the word of our testimony (Revelation 12:11).

As for those who do not recognize or acknowledge these things as such, many are the victims of foretold false teachers who have hindered those who were entering in. All of which was to continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. These are those times.

As for those who are not sure whether they are born again of the spirit of God (which is the spirit of Christ entering into them), you can know by the notable change within you. There are things we once loved, we no longer love, but come to hate. Even so, our old self may still love those things we have inwardly come to hate. This is that struggle that Paul confessed, saying "For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice" (Romans 7:19). It is for this reason that we are counselled to "endure to the end" (Matthew 24:13).

When He said know one knows the day or hour, He was using language they understood as Hebrews.

He was referring to the feast of trumpets, which began by the sighting of the new moon on either the 29th or 30th day of the month.

 

[ScottA]

When He said know one knows the day or hour, He was using language they understood as Hebrews.

He was referring to the feast of trumpets, which began by the sighting of the new moon on either the 29th or 30th day of the month.

Certainly there are local and lessor contexts made manifest as a witness pointing to the greater context of Jesus's return (second coming), just as there were of His first advent. However, those that are a sign are not the actual substance of that which is greater and eternal.

But thank you--it is still a good witness!

 

[JLB]

Certainly there are local and lessor contexts made manifest as a witness pointing to the greater context of Jesus's return (second coming), just as there were of His first advent. However, those that are a sign are not the actual substance of that which is greater and eternal.

But thank you--it is still a good witness!

My point is we as His people know within a day or two of His return because of the signs He left for us and because His Spirit bears witness with our spirit.


The Point:

His coming will not come as a thief in the night for His people.


But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:4

 

[ScottA]

My point is we as His people know within a day or two of His return because of the signs He left for us and because His Spirit bears witness with our spirit.


The Point:

His coming will not come as a thief in the night for His people.


But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:4

Unfortunately the lie told of and reported by Paul, has caused many to believe that day would only be in the distant future. But as you quoted, he told those of that time, that the time was "this day." Even so, many are under delusion even to this day.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If nothing else, on this one point let me be perfectly clear: This is not a discussion, but a proclamation from God.

You speak in gibberish and remain vague on so many of these supposed proclamations from god. God is not vague to His people. but the way you write, it appears you believe most here on this forum are unsaved.

 

[ScottA]

You speak in gibberish and remain vague on so many of these supposed proclamations from god. God is not vague to His people. but the way you write, it appears you believe most here on this forum are unsaved.

And you think you would recognize what is clearly stated after all this time seeing all as through a glass dimly? How was that--was that clear enough for you?

On the contrary, you would most likely think it gibberish and reject it.

 

[Fred J]

Here again you confirm your erroneous position, as God clearly stated His "confusion" was to "all."

But again I will offer correction - those who have an ear to hear, let them hear:

The original language in Genesis 11:7 is "confound" or "confuse": The KJV translates Strong's H1101 in the following manner: mingled (37x), confound (2x), anointed (1x), mixed (1x), give provender (1x), tempered (1x), non translated variant (1x).​

1. to mix, mingle, confuse, confound
   1. (Qal)
      1. to mingle, confuse
      2. to mix

While the original language and the mistranslation and cause of the false doctrine taught for these past 2,000 years, is from 1 Corinthians 14:33 is "confusion" or more accurately "disorder": The KJV translates Strong's G181 in the following manner: confusion (2x), tumult (2x), commotion (1x).​

1. instability, a state of disorder, disturbance, confusion

Dear readers, please also read Genesis chapter 10:

5. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. (sons of Japheth)

20. These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

31. These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.
32. These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generation, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Basically the point here is, every one of Noah's three sons' generations were according to their own tongues, in their own lands and their own nations.

Genesis 11:
1. And the 'whole earth' was of 'one language', and of 'one speech'. (Let's take it as today in the world, where there's social media worldwide. Apparently majoritively is of one language and of one speech that is 'English'.)
2. And it came to pass, 'as they journeyed from the east', that 'they found a plain in the land of Shinar', and they dwelt there. (Here is referring to 'a group of people' of one language and of one speech, 'from the east'. Besides the 'whole earth' yet consist of 'north', 'south' and also 'west'.)

Therefore, did GOD 'confound the language' of the 'whole earth', as according to dear ScottA, and who's god proclaimed through??

Scripture study determines 'not', 'only a group of men from the east', 'who wanted to make a name for themselves'

'Stay awake' and 'stay alert' faithful to All Scripture = Holy Bible, the only foundation given and made by the only true GOD through HIS Son, Lord Jesus Christ.

And fall not 'prey' to 'false prophets', 'false teachers' and 'false messiahs' in our time, even ones among us.

Jesus already disciple us and already experience this first Himself, saying;

"Your worst enemy will be of your own household."

This may be your own household of biologically Gentile faith, and also your own household of spiritually Christian faith.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[ScottA]

Dear readers, please also read Genesis chapter 10:

5. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. (sons of Japheth)

20. These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

31. These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.
32. These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generation, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Basically the point here is, every one of Noah's three sons' generations were according to their own tongues, in their own lands and their own nations.

Genesis 11:
1. And the 'whole earth' was of 'one language', and of 'one speech'. (Let's take it as today in the world, where there's social media worldwide. Apparently majoritively is of one language and of one speech that is 'English'.)
2. And it came to pass, 'as they journeyed from the east', that 'they found a plain in the land of Shinar', and they dwelt there. (Here is referring to 'a group of people' of one language and of one speech, 'from the east'. Besides the 'whole earth' yet consist of 'north', 'south' and also 'west'.)

Therefore, did GOD 'confound the language' of the 'whole earth', as according to dear ScottA, and who's god proclaimed through??

Scripture study determines 'not', 'only a group of men from the east', 'who wanted to make a name for themselves'

'Stay awake' and 'stay alert' faithful to All Scripture = Holy Bible, the only foundation given and made by the only true GOD through HIS Son, Lord Jesus Christ.

And fall not 'prey' to 'false prophets', 'false teachers' and 'false messiahs' in our time, even ones among us.

Jesus already disciple us and already experience this first Himself, saying;

"Your worst enemy will be of your own household."

This may be your own household of biologically Gentile faith, and also your own household of spiritually Christian faith.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

Your organic attempt at explaining away world wide "confusion"--which I only brought up to help you transition from thinking only in the ways of natural men of flesh and blood, is obviously a problem even here and now among we two, self evident, even speaking the same language. Of which God did indeed orchestrate just as it is written--which was according to the former way of "the natural man", and thus makes your organic recounting not accurate to fully explain, but limited to the understanding of men. Just as He also explained:

"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" ( 1 Corinthians 2:14).​

Even so, you are offended that I offer by God's providing, the very thing He foretold would be the end of the confusion, as by the Spirit. Yet not willing to receive all that was promised, you go so far as to turn and attack. So be it.

 

[Fred J]

For the record (of you rejection of the truth, and blaspheme against the Spirit).

All Scripture = Holy Bible is the 'truth', according to 2 Timothy 3: 16 & 17.

Yours is scripture taken out of 'context', 'copy' and 'paste' to fit your 'false agenda'.

That which is evidently from your false god, even scripturally are 'fallen spirits' of darkness.

Your organic attempt at explaining away world wide "confusion"--which I only brought up to help you transition from thinking only in the ways of natural men of flesh and blood,

You did not help us but in deceit quote only one verse to prove your claim, that GOD confound the language of men 'worldwide'.

In correcting me who 'disagreed' in my reply, that GOD did not do it worldwide but only to those who 'rebelled'.

But on the other hand, using the context, was also able to 'reproof', that GOD indeed did not confound the common language spoken by all men worldwide.

Rather to the group of men who journeyed from the east, found a plain in the land of Shinar and dwelt there and 'rebelled'.


Next, true believers as the 'brides of Christ', are born again of water and of the Holy Ghost, becoming the 'spirit man'.

John 1:
12. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name:

John 4:
23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the FATHER 'in spirit' and 'in truth': for the FATHER seeketh such to worship HIM.
24. GOD is a SPIRIT: and they that worship HIM must worship HIM in spirit and in truth.

While on earth believers have gone through a transition from 'mortal' to 'immortal', no longer a 'natural man'.

Even so, you are offended that I offer by God's providing, the very thing He foretold would be the end of the confusion, as by the Spirit. Yet not willing to receive all that was promised, you go so far as to turn and attack. So be it.

'Offended' and 'turn and attack'??

When am only defending the 'truth' scripturally and refute 'fallacy' of yours, not even 'tangible' with the scripture 'in context'.

Which apparently exposes 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' in Christendom itself.

Apparently 'terms' depending on the 'Bible versions', used by the Apostles themselves cautioning their 'saints/church'.

Your 'out of context' scripture quotes and testimony 'inconsistency' is 'disturbing' to our 'spirit'.

Since it is regardless of the available 'context consistency' at hand, that determine for us to know them by their fruit.

 

[ScottA]

All Scripture = Holy Bible is the 'truth', according to 2 Timothy 3: 16 & 17.

Yours is scripture taken out of 'context', 'copy' and 'paste' to fit your 'false agenda'.

That which is evidently from your false god, even scripturally are 'fallen spirits' of darkness.

You did not help us but in deceit quote only one verse to prove your claim, that GOD confound the language of men 'worldwide'.

In correcting me who 'disagreed' in my reply, that GOD did not do it worldwide but only to those who 'rebelled'.

But on the other hand, using the context, was also able to 'reproof', that GOD indeed did not confound the common language spoken by all men worldwide.

Rather to the group of men who journeyed from the east, found a plain in the land of Shinar and dwelt there and 'rebelled'.


Next, true believers as the 'brides of Christ', are born again of water and of the Holy Ghost, becoming the 'spirit man'.

John 1:
12. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name:

John 4:
23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the FATHER 'in spirit' and 'in truth': for the FATHER seeketh such to worship HIM.
24. GOD is a SPIRIT: and they that worship HIM must worship HIM in spirit and in truth.

While on earth believers have gone through a transition from 'mortal' to 'immortal', no longer a 'natural man'.

'Offended' and 'turn and attack'??

When am only defending the 'truth' scripturally and refute 'fallacy' of yours, not even 'tangible' with the scripture 'in context'.

Which apparently exposes 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' in Christendom itself.

Apparently 'terms' depending on the 'Bible versions', used by the Apostles themselves cautioning their 'saints/church'.

Your 'out of context' scripture quotes and testimony 'inconsistency' is 'disturbing' to our 'spirit'.

Since it is regardless of the available 'context consistency' at hand, that determine for us to know them by their fruit.

So be it. So shall it be written of you.

 

[Fred J]

So be it. So shall it be written of you.

Am merely an unworthy servant just doing my given duty, for you true born again witnesses, lest be 'deceived'.

 

[JLB]

Unfortunately the lie told of and reported by Paul, has caused many to believe that day would only be in the distant future. But as you quoted, he told those of that time, that the time was "this day." Even so, many are under delusion even to this day.

please quote the scripture and context you are referring to.

 

[ScottA]

please quote the scripture and context you are referring to.

Sorry, I was referring to what Paul said to and of some of the Thessalonians of that time during the early church, as showing that those who are born again, whom Christ had come into, would indeed know the day and the hour because He was coming/returning into them, that very hour:

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4​

 

[amigo de christo]

I did not say that the return of Jesus into the flesh/body of Christ being the same as His second return, was the "lie."

What I maintain is the foretold "lie" causing "strong delusion" and great apostacy beginning with the early church until the end: Is not believing that all Jesus said "must shortly take place", was not "shortly" but in the distant future, as most now still believe. That was and is specifically the foretold "lie." Which I am happy to discuss--but it is not debatable, as it is not from me, but from God.

As for the interfaith movement, it is indeed a grievous lie and a sin against God.

and what was the number one lie that john warned about .
WHO IS A LIAR . HE who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
and what was the one thing that paul himself warned about
and the reason they go under the STRONG DELUSOIN .
THEY REJECTED THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH , aka yes , aka YES , THE GOSPEL OF JESUS THE CHRIST , THEY REJECTED HIM as CHRIST
and thus a delusion was given them to believe the lie .
I SEE a lie all right and it seems though they call it love
it sure do deny the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS and these folks sup on it like its the last supper .
INTERIFATH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . LETS ESTABLISH THAT FACt right now , HERE AND NOW .
SORRY THAT TRUMP PREACHES IT WITH VANCE BUT HE TOO DOES THE WORK OF THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL ANTI CHRIST
AND ITS RELIGOIN . WE BEEN DUPED MY FRIEND .

 

[ScottA]

and what was the number one lie that john warned about .
WHO IS A LIAR . HE who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
and what was the one thing that paul himself warned about
and the reason they go under the STRONG DELUSOIN .
THEY REJECTED THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH , aka yes , aka YES , THE GOSPEL OF JESUS THE CHRIST , THEY REJECTED HIM as CHRIST
and thus a delusion was given them to believe the lie .
I SEE a lie all right and it seems though they call it love
it sure do deny the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS and these folks sup on it like its the last supper .
INTERIFATH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . LETS ESTABLISH THAT FACt right now , HERE AND NOW .
SORRY THAT TRUMP PREACHES IT WITH VANCE BUT HE TOO DOES THE WORK OF THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL ANTI CHRIST
AND ITS RELIGOIN . WE BEEN DUPED MY FRIEND .

I get that and concur. But that simply is not the point I was making about the total disregard for what Jesus actually said about the day and hour of His return. Which is the intended topic of this thread. Even so, I have heard you and appreciate your input.

I see your point as the consequence of not believing what Jesus said about the day and hour of His return--and yes, then the telling of many lies. But the first thing that occurred--and my point, was that of false teachers not believing what He actually said about His return, who then taught the first "lie" of unbelief and what followed as a false and destructive alternative doctrine. Which they did, kicking the can of fulfilling what He said down the road into the distant future. Which most still believe.