Is it possible to be SCRIPTURALLY CORRECT AND NOT BE SPIRITUALLY CORRECT?

[Ronald Nolette]

The determination (of what is and is not true) begins and ends with and by God (whom is spirit). The problem you describe only occurs when people presume to receive truth from God without Him. Which only comes from God--but does come by different means--including through people of His choosing.

Which means the words are not what is even most important, but rather the source. So hearing many claims, is not really of issue. Which raises a bigger question of how one is able to hear the Spirit above all the noise? Which is a matter of getting to know Him better. Which cannot be done through interaction with people, but rather with God alone.

All true, but it doesn't address what I wrote in the least.

And the source inspired a book for us to live by and use as a foundation to come to know Him better by. It is called the bible.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[ScottA]

A lot of people believe as you do. However, believing as you do, I don't see how you can ignore 1 Corinthians 14:33-36.

Indeed many do "believe" as I have explained regarding this issue, but I do not believe, but know.

 

[ScottA]

All true, but it doesn't address what I wrote in the least.

And the source inspired a book for us to live by and use as a foundation to come to know Him better by. It is called the bible.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Do you not understand that the natural is first--being that of elements and seen, "but afterward the spiritual" which to the flesh is unseen?

 

[Bob Estey]

Indeed many do "believe" as I have explained regarding this issue, but do not believe, but know.

So we agree that 1 Corinthians 14:33-36 should be ignored?

 

[ScottA]

So we agree that 1 Corinthians 14:33-36 should be ignored?

Sorry, in post #142 I made a typo (meaning to say rather, that "l do not "think" but know" the truth of these matters.

So no, 1 Corinthians 14:33-36 should not be ignored.

 

[Bob Estey]

Sorry, in post #142 I made a typo (meaning to say rather, that "l do not "think" but know" the truth of these matters.

So no, 1 Corinthians 14:33-36 should not be ignored.

What are we to make of 1 Corinthians 14:33-36?

 

[ScottA]

What are we to make of 1 Corinthians 14:33-36?

Come on Bob--baiting or wanting to cause trouble again?! We have been covering that for days, and I have already explained many times. You give your mischievous heart away. Just as well, you are revealed.

 

[Bob Estey]

Come on Bob--baiting or wanting to cause trouble again?! We have been covering that for days, and I have already explained many times. You give your mischievous heart away. Just as well, you are revealed.

Apparently you are okay with women speaking in a church, while Paul forbade it. Am I to believe you or Paul?

 

[Bob Estey]

Come on Bob--baiting or wanting to cause trouble again?! We have been covering that for days, and I have already explained many times. You give your mischievous heart away. Just as well, you are revealed.

You can explain it to me a thousand times, but I still don't understand why it's okay to disobey Paul, if Paul is speaking for the Lord.

 

[Bob Estey]

Come on Bob--baiting or wanting to cause trouble again?! We have been covering that for days, and I have already explained many times. You give your mischievous heart away. Just as well, you are revealed.

You tell me Paul spoke for God, but you ignore 1 Corinthians 14:33-36, and when I don't accept your explanation, you accuse me of causing trouble.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I believe God and Jesus are quoted many times in the Bible. We need to obey.

But not Paul or Peter or John or James or Luke or Jeremiah or King David.

And you didn't answer the question. do you believe the bible is the inspired Word of God? It is a simple question that requires just a yes or no.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I follow Jesus, not Paul.

So you reject teh writings of Paul then. Okay now we know.

 

[Taken]

Is it possible to be SCRIPTURALLY CORRECT AND NOT BE SPIRITUALLY CORRECT?​

Broadly …Yes.
Specifically …No.

All Scripture IS True and Approved by God to be worthy to Trust.

The “Applicability” is Paramount.

God Creates AND Makes.
Gods Creation is A Done Deal, already Accomplished.

It is the “Making” which is subject to continuing, changing ( or not).

Meaning; the “applicability” of WHAT applies to Any individual at Any point in their Natural Life Time…IS Specific to them…
“The Who, What, When, Where, How, Why and / or Why Not”.

True Beliefs, True Commitments, False Beliefs, False Commitments…implied, spoken, Can and Do fool themselves, others… Yet Never can Fool God.

(Peace /Safety) With The Lord God Forever is Offered by, through, of God, and it is an individual who HAS (past tense) Taken Gods Offering (according to Gods Way, Terms), WHO ARE Forever MADE Secure with God, regardless of What other men Think, Believe, Logically Rationalize and Conclude.

Point Being… an individuals Committed Relationship WITH God IS one on one Personal and Permanent, Forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Bob Estey]

But not Paul or Peter or John or James or Luke or Jeremiah or King David.

And you didn't answer the question. do you believe the bible is the inspired Word of God? It is a simple question that requires just a yes or no.

I don't believe we are required to obey anyone but God or Jesus. There is much to be learned, though, from the other Bible writers.

 

[Bob Estey]

So you reject teh writings of Paul then. Okay now we know.

No, I don't reject them. You can learn a lot from Paul. I just don't give them the authority that I give to God and Jesus.

 

[ScottA]

Is it possible to be SCRIPTURALLY CORRECT AND NOT BE SPIRITUALLY CORRECT?​

Broadly …Yes.
Specifically …No.

All Scripture IS True and Approved by God to be worthy to Trust.

The “Applicability” is Paramount.

God Creates AND Makes.
Gods Creation is A Done Deal, already Accomplished.

It is the “Making” which is subject to continuing, changing ( or not).

Meaning; the “applicability” of WHAT applies to Any individual at Any point in their Natural Life Time…IS Specific to them…
“The Who, What, When, Where, How, Why and / or Why Not”.

True Beliefs, True Commitments, False Beliefs, False Commitments…implied, spoken, Can and Do fool themselves, others… Yet Never can Fool God.

(Peace /Safety) With The Lord God Forever is Offered by, through, of God, and it is an individual who HAS (past tense) Taken Gods Offering (according to Gods Way, Terms), WHO ARE Forever MADE Secure with God, regardless of What other men Think, Believe, Logically Rationalize and Conclude.

Point Being… an individuals Committed Relationship WITH God IS one on one Personal and Permanent, Forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

How would you explain the Priests and Pharisees being experts of the scriptures, but completely caught off guard by the coming of Christ/Messiah?

 

[Taken]

How would you explain the Priests and Pharisees being experts of the scriptures, but completely caught off guard by the coming of Christ/Messiah?

I wouldn’t say caught off guard.
They Fully Expected the Messiah.

They Didn’t Expect Him To Look Like A Human man. Nor did they Expect Him to Not be Wealthy, Not have a Kingdom, Not have an Army, and Not “majestically” swoop all Tribesmen into the Safety of a presumed protective Kingdom.

In other words… Many mis-calculated, thinking Salvation would be more of a Secular Event rather than a Spiritual Event.

Many still try to logically, carnally conclude Spiritual things.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[JohnDB]

I offer that as a rhetorical question, but one worth of consideration.

Seriously--just ask the Priests and Pharisees of Jesus's time when you see them. Some may only be able to wave from across the everlasting gulf, if at all. But surely there are a few present in heaven...like Nicodemus for example perhaps. Or Paul for that matter, who experienced his rude spiritual awakening before becoming "alive and remaining" in the world. And it was Paul who said that the scripture are to be "spiritually discerned."

Being "alive and remaining" became a topic which Paul expounded upon, regarding the return of Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17). Which is a status not necessarily true of all who believe in God and Christ. Certainly, it was not true of many in Israel, even though Jesus had declared God and His words to be spirit, and said "follow Me." And before He was finished, He rebuked the scriptural lawyers, for not entering in to the spiritual, but "hindering" those who were.

As we get closer to our own moment of truth with God, and to the end, is it not clear that as God himself is spirit, so is His word? Just imagine all the errors that are possible if the words were only literary!

I am going to be out of the country for the next couple of weeks, but feel free to chime in. May the Lord richly bless you in Word and in Spirit!

Not rhetorical....
A reality for many MANY people.

No!

 

[ScottA]

I wouldn’t say caught off guard.
They Fully Expected the Messiah.

They Didn’t Expect Him To Look Like A Human man. Nor did they Expect Him to Not be Wealthy, Not have a Kingdom, Not have an Army, and Not “majestically” swoop all Tribesmen into the Safety of a presumed protective Kingdom.

In other words… Many mis-calculated, thinking Salvation would be more of a Secular Event rather than a Spiritual Event.

Many still try to logically, carnally conclude Spiritual things.

Glory to God,
Taken

Applying that type of expectation to now, how would you describe the likely error of expectation of the church?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And where did that law come from?

The law is Spirit. what of yet carnal, sold under sin? Which makes me wonder about when the law says to circumcise your hearts. Only God who is Spirit can circumcision the heart/Mind?; which is by the circumcision of Christ, the circumcision made without hands being the work of God and not of carnal men?

You write ‘And where does that law come from?’ what does as the law says, let the women keep silent. Is the law Spiritual or carnal? Yet there is the ministration unto condemnation upon that which is born of flesh, and the ministration of the Spirit: obedience unto Life on that which is born of the Spirit of God.