Is it possible not to sin anymore?

[1stCenturyLady]

It may be for some, but for others it may not be seeing the Lord put numerous warnings in His Word about it.

I've run across lot of folks that just don't think God's warnings really mean anything and claim they are negative

I've found they are very positive as it gives examples of what NOT to do!

The what not to do in scripture is always what the devil is trying to deceive people TO do.




Yep, dead to sin as in . . . NOT doing sin!

It must be that sketchy calvinist teaching that makes people believe we all sin in word and deed every day! View attachment 39458

Yes, C has permeated all denominations it seems. Look at Revelation 3:1. That refers to those at the beginning of the Reformation (C and ML). Verse 4 is John Wesley and others who fought C.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yep, dead to sin as in . . . NOT doing sin!

Not quite. Those under the law can also claim they do not sin.

The difference is WHAT is dead to sin? The answer is the "old man." Not many know what the old man is. It is our nature. In the Old Testament they had to try to keep the Law with a carnal sin nature. What Jesus did is cleansed the sin out of our nature so that we naturally keep the law, and have the power of the Holy Spirit to direct us towards perfection.

 

[Truthnightmare]

No living human man KNOWS ALL things.
All living human men LIE.
A LIE is a NON-TRUTH.

All day long men make statements “AS a TRUE Fact”….when what they say is “a guess, an opinion, a deflection, a half truth, etc.”

So what is your POINT? What IF a man has LIED? What about it?

The Bible tells us not to lie! You must be a trol

I have the Holy Ghost so consequently I don't need to trust in satanic search engine results!

If you feel like you are supposed to sin every day and you cannot hep but to sin everyday, then that's what you'll do.

God told me to Awake to righteousness, and sin not (1 Corinthians 15:34) View attachment 39455





Because of God's warnings . . . We know it doesn't mean that it's not possible to sin, or even that it's not possible to backslide and turn away from the Lord and end up going to hell after being born again.


1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)


2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)


Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

It may be for some, but for others it may not be seeing the Lord put numerous warnings in His Word about it.

I've run across lot of folks that just don't think God's warnings really mean anything and claim they are negative

I've found they are very positive as it gives examples of what NOT to do!

The what not to do in scripture is always what the devil is trying to deceive people TO do.




Yep, dead to sin as in . . . NOT doing sin!

It must be that sketchy calvinist teaching that makes people believe we all sin in word and deed every day! View attachment 39458

Let’s make this simple… After Saul, became Paul, did he ever sin again?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Your claim IS NOT according to Scripture.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



Scripture DOES NOT SAY, the individual “TRYING” not to sin, is the meaning of Gods SEED IN a man.



Who is this mysterious individual, in your claim, who has “claimed” “THEY OVERCAME SIN” ?
And why are you using some irrelevant baseless claim as your disagreement with men who have MADE NO SUCH claim?

Fact IS…an individual IS either WITH God or AGAINST God….
there is no “WITH God, but continue to be AGAINST God, there is no but, but, but TRYING to NOT be AGAINST God, while claiming to be WITH God.

Matt 12
[30 a ] He that is not with me is against me;


Luke.11
[23 a] He that is not with me is against me:

Your “speaking for others, what they did not say” and your “but, but, but, premise”, is man-made gobbledygook….and Irrelevant.



You could clear up MUCH of the ridiculousness … BY YOU not “SPEAKING” “FOR” God …. “FOR” men.



“WE”? You obviously are NOT speaking FOR people you disagree with.

A person CONVERTED “IN” Christ….
Is SEEN by those “OF” the World, as beautiful, handsome, ugly, grubby, filthy rags….

However A person CONVERTED “IN” Christ…
Is SEEN by God, SEEN by the Converted, ( as NOT “OF” the World, ) AND are SEEN as DEAD BODY’S, Their SOUL RESTORED, Their SPIRIT QUICKENED, THEY Living “IN” Christ Jesus” RISEN BODY…and THEIR DEAD BODY, by the authority and power of God, CLEANSED, WASHED in the BLOOD of the Lamb, and SANCTIFIED (set apart), TO BE RISEN UP in it’s OWN “SINLESS” Body…
(ie . Remember that little thingy, Crucified WITH Christ?
Remember that little thingy, “IN” Christ?)

You failing to UNDERSTAND “Gods IDEA”, “Gods OFFERING”, “Gods WORKS”… has nothing to do with men who have Accepted Gods Offering, who Understands God “idea”, and whom Gods Works in them IS according to God, acceptable to. God, NOT your approval.



For ANY MAN Converted IN Christ…DUH, has already REPENTED!

And IF you believe, A Converted man, occupying Christ Jesus’ Risen Body, CAN SIN…you are essentially believing that which is IN Christ, CAN SIN…

You are trying to MAKE “spiritual things” conform to “natural things”.
Whereas God has OFFERED to MAKE “natural things” conform to “spiritual things”.

Not a-big secret, ALL of manKIND begins “natural”….and Gods Teaching and Revealing and Offering is HOW a natural manKIND of creature can BECOME MADE, a WHOLE…(body, soul, spirit)….SPIRITUAL manKIND of creature.

Your preaching IS accusatory based on things you claim others have SAID, when you can not identify one person saying what you have said FOR them. :-(

Here is the scripture….

1 John 3:9
πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἁμαρτίαν οὐ ποιεῖ, ὅτι σπέρμα αὐτοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ μένει· καὶ οὐ δύναται ἁμαρτάνειν, ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ γεγέννηται.

Why does this say?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Your claim IS NOT according to Scripture.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



Scripture DOES NOT SAY, the individual “TRYING” not to sin, is the meaning of Gods SEED IN a man.



Who is this mysterious individual, in your claim, who has “claimed” “THEY OVERCAME SIN” ?
And why are you using some irrelevant baseless claim as your disagreement with men who have MADE NO SUCH claim?

Fact IS…an individual IS either WITH God or AGAINST God….
there is no “WITH God, but continue to be AGAINST God, there is no but, but, but TRYING to NOT be AGAINST God, while claiming to be WITH God.

Matt 12
[30 a ] He that is not with me is against me;


Luke.11
[23 a] He that is not with me is against me:

Your “speaking for others, what they did not say” and your “but, but, but, premise”, is man-made gobbledygook….and Irrelevant.



You could clear up MUCH of the ridiculousness … BY YOU not “SPEAKING” “FOR” God …. “FOR” men.



“WE”? You obviously are NOT speaking FOR people you disagree with.

A person CONVERTED “IN” Christ….
Is SEEN by those “OF” the World, as beautiful, handsome, ugly, grubby, filthy rags….

However A person CONVERTED “IN” Christ…
Is SEEN by God, SEEN by the Converted, ( as NOT “OF” the World, ) AND are SEEN as DEAD BODY’S, Their SOUL RESTORED, Their SPIRIT QUICKENED, THEY Living “IN” Christ Jesus” RISEN BODY…and THEIR DEAD BODY, by the authority and power of God, CLEANSED, WASHED in the BLOOD of the Lamb, and SANCTIFIED (set apart), TO BE RISEN UP in it’s OWN “SINLESS” Body…
(ie . Remember that little thingy, Crucified WITH Christ?
Remember that little thingy, “IN” Christ?)

You failing to UNDERSTAND “Gods IDEA”, “Gods OFFERING”, “Gods WORKS”… has nothing to do with men who have Accepted Gods Offering, who Understands God “idea”, and whom Gods Works in them IS according to God, acceptable to. God, NOT your approval.



For ANY MAN Converted IN Christ…DUH, has already REPENTED!

And IF you believe, A Converted man, occupying Christ Jesus’ Risen Body, CAN SIN…you are essentially believing that which is IN Christ, CAN SIN…

You are trying to MAKE “spiritual things” conform to “natural things”.
Whereas God has OFFERED to MAKE “natural things” conform to “spiritual things”.

Not a-big secret, ALL of manKIND begins “natural”….and Gods Teaching and Revealing and Offering is HOW a natural manKIND of creature can BECOME MADE, a WHOLE…(body, soul, spirit)….SPIRITUAL manKIND of creature.

Your preaching IS accusatory based on things you claim others have SAID, when you can not identify one person saying what you have said FOR them. :-(

When was the last time you told a lie?

 

[Truthnightmare]

I have the Holy Ghost so consequently I don't need to trust in satanic search engine results!

If you feel like you are supposed to sin every day and you cannot hep but to sin everyday, then that's what you'll do.

God told me to Awake to righteousness, and sin not (1 Corinthians 15:34) View attachment 39455





Because of God's warnings . . . We know it doesn't mean that it's not possible to sin, or even that it's not possible to backslide and turn away from the Lord and end up going to hell after being born again.


1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)


2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)


Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

So you have the Holy Ghost… welcome to the club.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Not quite. Those under the law can also claim they do not sin.

Others may, but I never speak as from the view point of the Law of Moses, but from the Law of the Spirit of Life IN Christ Jesus.

The whole point of the New Covenant is for man to actually be free from the desire to sin so that... he quits doing sin!

Under the Law of Moses they could not become born again and become New Creatures IN Christ, we can and we have a tremendous advantage over anything they could do since the New Covenant is based on better promises as well as the finished work of Jesus at the Cross.

Let’s make this simple… After Saul, became Paul, did he ever sin again?

In case you have not noticed, we are NOT called to follow Jesus not Paul.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers (imitators) of God, as dear children;

I went to high school with a girl named Emma Tators! (jus kidding)

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

So you have the Holy Ghost… welcome to the club.

Thank you, thank you verrry much!

 

[Taken]

Anwer this question, then you will know.

When was the last time you told a lie?

 

[Ritajanice]

Not quite. Those under the law can also claim they do not sin.

The difference is WHAT is dead to sin? The answer is the "old man." Not many know what the old man is. It is our nature. In the Old Testament they had to try to keep the Law with a carnal sin nature. What Jesus did is cleansed the sin out of our nature so that we naturally keep the law, and have the power of the Holy Spirit to direct us towards perfection.

I believe it’s our old nature....we don’t have that nature anymore....we have a new nature./new heart/ Spirit within?

Therefore we have been Born Again of imperishable seed...we are a new creation in Christ....no one said we were never without sin as Paul says....

All our sins have been forgiven by God...he removed our sin when we became Born Again....unfortunately quite a few don’t understand what that means....as they NEVER answer my questions.

So for me, they aren’t understanding when God says....a Born Again does not continue to sin because he has been Born Again of Gods seed.

They seem to believe that they are still under the law ( death) whereas a Born Again is under grace( life)

We were born into sin.....we have been set free from the power of sin ( death) who is the only one who can break that sin nature and remove it and give us a new nature?

You already know the answer.

The old nature served self,self,self....

The new nature serves God,God, God........self is no more, we are in Christ , we are being made into his image, we are children of God, ....that old mindset needs renewing.....we have the mind of Christ.....

And we do have the mind of Christ only it’s being renewed.

 

[Taken]

The Bible tells us not to lie! You must be a trol

The Bible says thou shalt not bear false witness…

Perhaps you should be concerned regarding Scripture that applies to you.

 

[Taken]

Here is the scripture….

1 John 3:9
πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἁμαρτίαν οὐ ποιεῖ, ὅτι σπέρμα αὐτοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ μένει· καὶ οὐ δύναται ἁμαρτάνειν, ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ γεγέννηται.

Why does this say?

1 John. 3:9

 

[Taken]

When was the last time you told a lie?

When is the first time you told a lie?

 

[Taken]

When is the first time you told a lie?

@Truthnightmare

Never MIND. Point being not interested in your irrelevant nonsense.

 

[Ritajanice]

f you say you sin not.. the truth is not in you.

Of course we used to sin, that was our old nature....when we were under the law?

When we become Born Again of Gods seed, we have a new nature/ heart/ Spirit within.....would you agree with that?

So, how can we go on sinning....if we have been Born Again of imperishable seed?

To be honest....I struggled understanding this sin business.....then all of a sudden...God gave me heart revelation.....I was desperately seeking his truth for this understanding of sin....he then gave me that revelation.

Keep seeking his truth my friend and you will surely find it.

For me it’s like a puzzle....where all the pieces of Gods truth start fitting together.....I wish you well on your journey finding the truth of Gods word...

 

[Ritajanice]

The whole point of the New Covenant is for man to actually be free from the desire to sin so that... he quits doing sin!

As you are so up on God’s word...when you say for man to be free from the desire to sin...please answer me this.

If you are Born Again then we have been Born Again of imperishable seed?

We have a new nature/ heart/ Spirit within?...do we not?...Gods word says so does he not?

Are you still under the law of sin or are you under grace?

Therefore if you are Born Again of Gods seed....his word says....a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of Gods seed?

How can we still go on sinning if Spirit gives birth to spirit.....what does that mean even?

Personally I think you know very little of the spiritual birth....therefore your theology of your understanding of what you believe God to be saying in his word...falls flat on its face, imo.....reason also being, not once have you explained the rebirth and I can assure you, without the Spirit we are none of His.....and NO I am not saying you don’t have the Spirit...I’m saying I believe you are confused in your understanding of God’s word...,,as we can all be..including me...many times I have been confused...that’s of the enemy ..he will do all he can to stop us finding and understanding Gods truth.

What does it mean being Born Again of Gods seed?....and why don’t we continue to sin, if we have been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Are you aware that we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

God is Spirit, therefore we must be in his Kingdom to understand his word...for Gods word is Spirit and truth.

His word is of no worldly understanding...it can only be understood in the Spirit...when we become Born Again......it takes years and years and years to grow and mature in Christ and understand his word.

You just seem to post reams and reams of scripture...which imo is trying to make yourself look knowledgable....which in fact I believe is the opposite of Gods word.

We are the ones who Glorify God through his Living word.....he’s the one who speaks through the heart....

Head Knowledge of Gods word without heart knowledge I’m afraid....is no knowledge at all.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So, how can we go on sinning....if we have been Born Again of imperishable seed?

If it were not possible to ever sin again after getting born again, the Lord would not have put warnings in the New Testament about not sinning, including 1 John 1:9

 

[Ritajanice]

If it were not possible to ever sin again after getting born again, the Lord would not have put warnings in the New Testament about not sinning, including 1 John 1:9

You see you left everything else out of my post, and only posted this.

My dear you have so much to learn regarding the spiritual rebirth...

Your head Knowledge of the word...lacks all spiritual understanding of God’s word....and my dear...that takes years and years to understand in the Spirit.

The Spirit is our guide and our teacher...without the Spirit it’s only head Knowledge of understanding Gods word.

Without the Spirit there is nothing and we know nothing.....Born Again of Gods seed is “ PARAMOUNT “ to understanding Gods word.

A Born Again....which as you have proved you know nothing about....therefore you aren’t in a position to preach what you preach, as what you preach is void of the truth of Gods word to his Born Again children..

When a Born Again has been Born Again of imperishable seed...they will not continue to sin ,why...because they have been Born Again of Gods seed.
Do you actually understand what that means?....
When you come to that heart knowledge...you will be set free from all this confusion that you post that’s in your head......imo.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

My dear you have so much to learn regarding the spiritual rebirth...

First off, we're not married and I'm not your dear.

Secondly, YOU are the one that is in dire need of some sound doctrine since you appear to be supporting false OSAS teachings.

The only way anyone can hold the OSAS position is to only accept a select few bible verses and throw the rest of the Bible in the garbage.

Hope things get better for you, and soon!

 

[Ritajanice]

First off, we're not married and I'm not your dear.

Secondly, YOU are the one that is in dire need of some sound doctrine since you appear to be supporting false OSAS teachings.

The only way anyone can hold the OSAS position is to only accept a select few bible verses and throw the rest of the Bible in the garbage.

Hope things get better for you, and soon!

I’m afraid your doctrine falls flat on its face my dear.

Your preaching has no understanding of spiritual rebirth...therefore your teaching is void of Gods truth.

And that my dear,..I will always challenge you on.

A Born Again is not under the law we’re under grace.

When you can prove that I don’t speak Gods truth, then get back to me....as of yet I believe you are spiritually “ BLIND” with a capital “ B”.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I’m afraid your doctrine falls flat on its face my dear.

And again, I'm not your dear and if OSAS was true, the Lord would have not put warnings about falling away in His Word.

The false OSAS doctrine has been debunked... you'll find out eventually. See ya!