Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

[BlessedPeace]

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amen Jesus!

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The Church's Development of the Hell Myth

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[Jack]

Amen Jesus?

The Church's Development of the Hell Myth

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Yes indeed! I quoted Jesus.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yes indeed!

Tragic.

 

[MatthewG]

Hell will be FILLED with people who don't believe in the everlasting Hell fire! And those who lead them there!

Ok

 

[MatthewG]

Only a sadist would have an eternal suffering. God is love.

Ok

 

[JohnDB]

Even within the Saints there exists the desire for sin. Paul talked about the sin within him trying to manifest on a regular basis.

But the reality of Heaven is such that there is no sin. IOW even the Saints have to be stripped free from their sin natures. Or sin stripped out if them and sent to Hell.

So.....
What is left of a person when the sin nature is removed out of them?

 

[MatthewG]

Even within the Saints there exists the desire for sin. Paul talked about the sin within him trying to manifest on a regular basis.

But the reality of Heaven is such that there is no sin. IOW even the Saints have to be stripped free from their sin natures. Or sin stripped out if them and sent to Hell.

So.....
What is left of a person when the sin nature is removed out of them?

What is your answer?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't see it lasting forever.

Revelation 21:8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

As again you have people outside of the Kingdom of Heaven. Idk if they decide by their own choice to go into the lake of fire that is coming from Yahava or not, however it would be purging them of their darkness with-in them in my opinion!

God is good... not a bad God that just annihilates people as people suggest, A lot of people have it wrong in my best estimation but I could be also wrong.

Revelation 22:15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.


No one can ever tell me that people are in the lake of fire forever, as it states they only have a part in it, @Ronald Nolette. The devil, the false prophet, the beast, yes they are forever there ever and ever. However it doesn't go to say people are in there forever and ever as many people believe and weirdly have hope for people to go there forever.

1. God doesn't annihilate.
2. People send themselves to the lake of fire by rejecting Jesus.
3. There is no verse in Scripture that implies people can repent in eternity.
4. I know of no one who wish anyone to go to the lake of fire.
5. As I showed you, part means destiny and assignment. not some temporal portion.
6. Rev. 14 clearly shows people who will suffer forever and ever and never have rest in the lake of fire.
7. You draw your conclusions on your estimations and feelings. this is dangerous. You should make your opinions based on what Scripture says and not how you feel.
8. God is good. He is also holy and just. Man by nature is in rebellion against God.

 

[MatthewG]

1. God doesn't annihilate.
2. People send themselves to the lake of fire by rejecting Jesus.
3. There is no verse in Scripture that implies people can repent in eternity.
4. I know of no one who wish anyone to go to the lake of fire.
5. As I showed you, part means destiny and assignment. not some temporal portion.
6. Rev. 14 clearly shows people who will suffer forever and ever and never have rest in the lake of fire.
7. You draw your conclusions on your estimations and feelings. this is dangerous. You should make your opinions based on what Scripture says and not how you feel.
8. God is good. He is also holy and just. Man by nature is in rebellion against God.

Its not based on my feelings. Its based on Hope. Isnt that what all believers in Yeshua have? Faith, hope, and love. I dont give into my feelings; I do my best to rely on the spirit… and i dont believe in sola scriptura; but a wholistic approach is good.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If the dead are already alive? Then what gets up when the Lord returns?

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Their bodies. The soul of mankind is immortal. the spirit of those born again is alive wherin the spirit of the lost is dead.

 

[MatthewG]

Im very much okay with Yahava having his people kill others to take over land in the old testament @Ronald Nolette. Im okay with everything that He does and i believe no one truly knows his plan fully; however he desires none to perish, and Jesus said all will raise again, and John talks about those outside of heaven.

Those are all scriptural points. All that is left is faith, hope and love.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Its not based on my feelings. Its based on Hope. Isnt that what all believers in Yeshua have? Faith, hope, and love. I dont give into my feelings; I do my best to rely on the spirit… and i dont believe in sola scriptura; but a wholistic approach is good.

But you must base your hope on what the Word of God says. Not some wishful thinking not wanting to see people suffer. that is a very noble thought, but sadly it is not Scripture!

As Jesus said:

Matthew 7:13-14

King James Version

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13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

John 3:17-18

King James Version

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17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

and the verb here is in the perfect which means done in the past continues on and on and on with no end.

 

[MatthewG]

But you must base your hope on what the Word of God says. Not some wishful thinking not wanting to see people suffer. that is a very noble thought, but sadly it is not Scripture!

As Jesus said:

Matthew 7:13-14​

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King James Version​

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13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

John 3:17-18​

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King James Version​

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17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

and the verb here is in the perfect which means done in the past continues on and on and on with no end.

I already know a lot of the bible, not to boast or brag. However God is not sending people to hell today. He does resurrect and i believe there is an inside and outside of the kingdom of heaven. Have you not put your trust in what John has stated in Revelation 21-22. This is the danger in trying to deride me of what I do place my hope in.

Follows of Yeshua are called to suffer… people suffer with God in their life, people suffer without God in their life. Yahava is calling to all, believers and unbelievers alike.

 

[MatthewG]

Here is what im doing right now.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Ok

People that say, Amen Jesus, at the thought of people burning in Hell fire for eternity. Did you ever imagine such a curse?

 

[JohnDB]

What is your answer?

That was my answer. Sorry you don't have the cognitive abilities to recognize it as such.

 

[Keiw]

Their bodies. The soul of mankind is immortal. the spirit of those born again is alive wherin the spirit of the lost is dead.

The soul is not immortal= Matthew 10:28--if your teachers teach that lie--RUN FROM THEM.

 

[BlessedPeace]

The soul is not immortal= Matthew 10:28--if your teachers teach that lie--RUN FROM THEM.

Run from that which invented such a falsehood.

The soul and by extension is of and from God.

The verse is intended to scare people on a subjective level so to lead them to envision suffering on a mortal flesh level. And thus, in that fear, obey the edicts of the pagan church that invented Hell.

Hel was a pagan underworld goddess. Tartarus,and other pagan place names, were commingled in that undertaking.

However,our faith is grounded in that of the Hebrews,the Jews.And there is no eternal suffering in a bottomless pit that being bottomless somehow contains fire and brimstone.

Fearing that eternal state though can lead people to obey out of fear of being sent there. And some say, Amen Jesus, when thinking of people suffering in such ways.


However,it isn't true. And God says so in Ecclesiastes 12:7.

 

[MatthewG]

People that say, Amen Jesus, at the thought of people burning in Hell fire for eternity. Did you ever imagine such a curse?

There are many people who believe in Yahava and look forward for them to burn forever. I use to be afraid of that God they protrayed. Now its totally different when you seek out for oneself for truth. Its the only way to be set free.

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Yahava is a good God has reasoning for everything to turn out for the good of individuals and not so much just for himself… what humility, in my opinion, @BlessedPeace.

 

[BlessedPeace]

There are many people who believe in Yahava and look forward for them to burn forever. I use to be afraid of that God they protrayed. Now its totally different when you seek out for oneself for truth. Its the only way to be set free.

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Amen,JESUS!