Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

[MatthewG]

You do much of your concluding according to what makes sense to your MIND.
That is called Logical deduction.
The MIND is naturally AGAINST God.
The MIND’S efforts CAN NOT logically Understand Spiritual things.

Do word search in scripture …
Search “Carnal mind”…

Understanding spiritual things, requires understanding in your spirit.
How to receive understanding in your spirit, ONLY comes from God.
Why would you receive Understanding From God…except by reading, studying His word and asking Him?

Those are just deflections, to say i believe with my carnal mind. I dont believe youre totally right in your assessment.

The scripture declare otherwise that hell is done away with, and Satan has been taken care of. Yet you dont believe it, @Taken.

That is between you and God; not you and me.

 

[Behold]

The scripture declare otherwise that hell is done away with, and Satan has been taken care of.

Hell is taking in new Christ rejectors, hourly.

Also, Satan gives power to the Anti-Christ., and that has not happened yet.

 

[MatthewG]

Hell is taking in new Christ rejectors, hourly.

Also, Satan gives power to the Anti-Christ., and that has not happened yet.

I disagree. The holding place for souls has been done away with. You may continue to reject the information brought forth from scripture that says such things have happened if you wish though.

Revelation talks about outside and inside of the kingdom when all things have been made new. Starting at Revelation 21.

Its between you and Yahava. Not me. I trust Yahava and his son to have done everything promised already. Most do not put faith in those things.

 

[Taken]

I disagree. I believe people die and resurrected immediantely afterwards, and they are judged. There is no waiting period in the victory of Christ Yeshua.

What is your basis for your belief?

A Scripture?
A Feeling?
Makes sense?
Someone taught you that?

Something else?

 

[Taken]

The scripture declare otherwise that hell is done away with, and Satan has been taken care of. Yet you dont believe it, @Taken.

I can not find that in Scripture.
Where is that? Can you copy and paste from the Bible version you use and identify which version?

 

[Behold]

I disagree. The holding place for souls has been done away with. You may continue to reject the information brought forth f

I reject all your cult teachings, @MatthewG .

Including your "Preterism", and all the rest.
Any real believer is going to PASS on most of what you teach.

You can depend on that fact.

 

[MatthewG]

I reject all your cult teachings, @MatthewG .

Including your "Preterism", and all the rest.
Any real believer is going to PASS on most of what you teach.

You can depend on that fact.

Yahava will judge me, you wont have to worry about it. Im glad you decide for yourself to reject the truth of Yeshua and his victory. That is not my progrative. May Yahava judge you fairly and rightly. Cause it doesnt bother me if you dont believe me.

 

[Behold]

Yahava will judge me,

And the born again will discern you.

Where you become harmful, is not to the people who are saved for some years... as by then, they are on the right track, or off the chain, theologically.
Where people like you are such a threat, is to the new believer, as its possible that just as you were ruined theologically by some idiot's cult, commentary, or video, or book .. you can pass this same false doctrine to a new believer and they then end up like you.
That's the problem.

 

[MatthewG]

And the born again will discern you.

Where you become harmful, is not to the people who are saved for some years... as by then, they are on the right track, or off the chain, theologically.
Where people like you are such a threat, is to the new believer, as its possible that just as you were ruined theologically by some idiot's cult, commentary, or video, or book .. you can pass this same false doctrine to a new believer and they then end up like you.
That's the problem.

Could you address the bible rather than myself?

The bible proclaims that satan is done away with and so is hell. Can you give me a reason why I should not believe those are true?

 

[Wrangler]

Is God sending people straight to hell today?

Properly understoo, hell is a synonym for the grave. God is not sending us there. The grave is our natural destination.

The question is whether or not Judgement Day is the day you die and will God supernaturally alter your permenant state?

 

[MatthewG]

Properly understoo, hell is a synonym for the grave. God is not sending us there. The grave is our natural destination.

The question is whether or not Judgement Day is the day you die and will God supernaturally alter your permenant state?

Yes, we die we end up in a grave or people do like to pay the optioon to be put burned into ashes (probably the route ill choose.)

I believe that judgement day is upon death. That is a sobering thought you would think.

 

[Peterlag]

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Is God sending people straight to hell today?

No.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Is God sending people straight to hell today?

Yes but hell is not what we think it is. Hell as is commonly understood is called the Lake of Fire in Scripture. That is the eternal abode of the lost.

Hell in scripture is simply the grave or world of the dead. There are now only two compartments in hell.

Tartarus- where the angels who came down and had sex with women are chained awaiting th elake of fire.

And the place of torments as taught in the historical account of Lazarus and the Rich man. This where the souls of the lost go awaiting their final resurrection in REv. 20 to be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

well peoples bodies are dead, but their souls and spirits(if they are believers) are most definitely alive. God allows all things to happen. Nothing happens apart from allowing it. The natural laws are still subject to Gods will. He has given man volition to choose things like what to eat&wear etc. but it is still under the sovereign will of God.

The gospels are historic accounts and are for Christians. Maybe not a sspecific as the epistles but they were for all to see but the church is the one who holds them dear.

As for the trinity. You reject that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are equally God in nature as the Father?

 

[MatthewG]

Yes but hell is not what we think it is. Hell as is commonly understood is called the Lake of Fire in Scripture. That is the eternal abode of the lost.

Hell in scripture is simply the grave or world of the dead. There are now only two compartments in hell.

Tartarus- where the angels who came down and had sex with women are chained awaiting th elake of fire.

And the place of torments as taught in the historical account of Lazarus and the Rich man. This where the souls of the lost go awaiting their final resurrection in REv. 20 to be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity.

Have you ever considered revelation 21 and 22. So many people mistakenly say that people are going to be in the lake of fire forever that’s not true. If people would go a step further, they would see that they only have a part in the lake of fire and it’s not forever, and if they would take one more step further, they would see that there is people that are resurrected they’re outside the heavenly kingdom. For whatever reason many people to stop at revelation 20 as though that’s the end.

It is not.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Have you ever considered revelation 21 and 22. So many people mistakenly say that people are going to be in the lake of fire forever that’s not true. If people would go a step further, they would see that they only have a part in the lake of fire and it’s not forever, and if they would take one more step further, they would see that there is people that are resurrected they’re outside the heavenly kingdom. For whatever reason many people to stop at revelation 20 as though that’s the end.

It is not.

I know Rev. 20 is not the end but the greek verbs tell us it is forever in the lake of fire.

Teh word part in REv. 21 is "meros" which means their assignment and destiny.

 

[MatthewG]

I know Rev. 20 is not the end but the greek verbs tell us it is forever in the lake of fire.

Teh word part in REv. 21 is "meros" which means their assignment and destiny.

I don't see it lasting forever.

Revelation 21:8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

As again you have people outside of the Kingdom of Heaven. Idk if they decide by their own choice to go into the lake of fire that is coming from Yahava or not, however it would be purging them of their darkness with-in them in my opinion!

God is good... not a bad God that just annihilates people as people suggest, A lot of people have it wrong in my best estimation but I could be also wrong.

Revelation 22:15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.


No one can ever tell me that people are in the lake of fire forever, as it states they only have a part in it, @Ronald Nolette. The devil, the false prophet, the beast, yes they are forever there ever and ever. However it doesn't go to say people are in there forever and ever as many people believe and weirdly have hope for people to go there forever.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't see it lasting forever.

Revelation 21:8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

As again you have people outside of the Kingdom of Heaven. Idk if they decide by their own choice to go into the lake of fire that is coming from Yahava or not, however it would be purging them of their darkness with-in them in my opinion!

God is good... not a bad God that just annihilates people as people suggest, A lot of people have it wrong in my best estimation but I could be also wrong.

Revelation 22:15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.


No one can ever tell me that people are in the lake of fire forever, as it states they only have a part in it, @Ronald Nolette. The devil, the false prophet, the beast, yes they are forever there ever and ever. However it doesn't go to say people are in there forever and ever as many people believe and weirdly have hope for people to go there forever.

What is the penalty of sin?

 

[MatthewG]

What is the penalty of sin?

Sorry, not going through this again with you.


I am just trying to show from scripture how people are not going to be in the lake of fire forever.

Whether or not you care about this is between you and God.