Is Creation By or Through Jesus Christ?

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I would only ever use the KJV as a last resort. The KJV and its derivatives are the only translations that use that word...."godhead".
"Theotēs" is translated as "divine nature" in many other Bibles, so we have no issue with Christ's divine nature, nor with his divine authority....we just don't believe that he would be guilty of blasphemy by saying he was "God incarnate" to his fellow Jews. They wanted to stone him for claiming to be God's son! (John 10:31-36)

There is no such thing as a "godhead" because there is no such thing as a trinity. There is not one direct statement from either God (Yahweh) or his son (Jesus Christ) that they share equality in any way.....or that there are three gods in one head. Please provide one....I didn't see a single one from God or Christ in your many quotations.

You literally have to force the idea into the scriptures you use to promote it. I don't have to be talked into a trinity because I plainly see that Christ never taught it, and neither did his apostles. They knew who their God was....and it wasn't Jesus. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

the term Godhead means in the English language, "divine nature or essence", which is exactly what the Greek "θειότης", means.

There is no escaping that fact, that the Bible, in both the Old and New Testaments, does Teach that the Being of God, is THREE Distinct Persons. They have been revealed to us as The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Not three Gods, but One God in Three Persons. This is the best and only way for us to understand the God of the Holy Bible. You might not understand or agree with this, but it does not make it wrong.

 

[Cooper]

God the Father, God the Son of Mary on earth, and God the Holy Spirit? One God.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

God the Father, God the Son of Mary and God the Holy Spirit? One God.

Jesus Christ is YHWH, the Eternal, Uncreated God. Why would you mention the Incarnation in connection with the Trinity?

 

[Cooper]

Jesus Christ is YHWH, the Eternal, Uncreated God. Why would you mention the Incarnation in connection with the Trinity?

It emphasises the deity of Christ which many people deny. :)
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[ByGraceThroughFaith]

It emphasises the deity of Christ which many people deny. :)
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It emphasises the deity of Christ which many people deny. :)
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Why would you say, "God the Son of Mary"? Why not simply "God the Son"? Jesus exists before His Human Birth from Mary.

 

[Cooper]

Why would you say, "God the Son of Mary"? Why not simply "God the Son"? Jesus exists before His Human Birth from Mary.

To a lot of people, God is remote, and He came among us for a reason, a very important reason. He is God with us on earth. Let us glory in that and magnify his Holy name. Another thing, is that it may appeal to Catholics, and we badly need unity.

The 'formula' is man-made anyway and to say "God the Father, Son of Mary and Holy Spirit" beings out the threefold omnipresent nature of the one God on earth and in heaven.

Just a thought.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

To a lot of people, God is remote, and He came among us for a reason, a very important reason. He is God with us on earth. Let us glory in that and magnify his Holy name. Another thing, is that it may appeal to Catholics, and we badly need unity.

The 'formula' is man-made anyway and to say "God the Father, Son of Mary and Holy Spirit" beings out the threefold nature of the one God.

Just a thought.

when you say "Son of Mary", this removes Jesus' Deity, and says that He is only human, and His Eternity, as His life only begins at His human Birth.

 

[Cooper]

when you say "Son of Mary", this removes Jesus' Deity, and says that He is only human, and His Eternity, as His life only begins at His human Birth.

It is well known that Jesus was born of Mary, so there is no point in hiding it, neither does it deny His deity, Jesus is fully man and fully God. His humanity is important because God had to become man to take the sins of mankind upon himself otherwise there is no salvation.
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[ByGraceThroughFaith]

It is well known that Jesus was born of Mary, so there is no point in hiding it, neither does it deny His deity, Jesus is fully man and fully God. His humanity is important because God had to become man to take the sins of mankind upon himself.
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no one is "hiding" anything about Jesus Christ, it is about using the correct language when referring to Him. The Godhead is One in Three, Who are equally Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three Distinct Persons, One Godhead or Being/Nature/Essence.

 

[Cooper]

no one is "hiding" anything about Jesus Christ, it is about using the correct language when referring to Him. The Godhead is One in Three, Who are equally Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three Distinct Persons, One Godhead or Being/Nature/Essence.

Nobody is taking anything away from the Messiah, except maybe to take him out of the sinners reach, so denying His plan of salvation.
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[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Nobody is taking anything away from the Messiah, except maybe to take him out of the sinners reach, so denying His plan of salvation.
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Reading what you say on your profile, do you believe in Modalism?

The Creator is the Word, and Jesus is the Creator's name on earth. John 1:14 He is God with us.
"God is one" Matthew 1:23 and His glory is hidden from our sight. John 14:9.
He came among us in the image of man (Genesis 18), and in the New Testament as Jesus Christ the Son of Mary.
He is with us in heaven and on earth, the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8 Micah 5:2
Jesus the I AM and Saviour of the world, is "God with us." Colossians 1:16. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
From the beginning, Adam proved OSAS false. Isaiah 59:2 Psalms 66:18 John 9:31
The warnings against backsliding are given to the believer. The unbeliever cannot backslide.
Pagan Sacrifice and Old Testament Law have no place in Christianity.

 

[Cooper]

Reading what you say on your profile, do you believe in Modalism?

The Creator is the Word, and Jesus is the Creator's name on earth. John 1:14 He is God with us.
"God is one" Matthew 1:23 and His glory is hidden from our sight. John 14:9.
He came among us in the image of man (Genesis 18), and in the New Testament as Jesus Christ the Son of Mary.
He is with us in heaven and on earth, the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8 Micah 5:2
Jesus the I AM and Saviour of the world, is "God with us." Colossians 1:16. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
From the beginning, Adam proved OSAS false. Isaiah 59:2 Psalms 66:18 John 9:31
The warnings against backsliding are given to the believer. The unbeliever cannot backslide.
Pagan Sacrifice and Old Testament Law have no place in Christianity.

Certainly not.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Certainly not.

when you say, "The Creator is the Word, and Jesus is the Creator's name on earth", it can be taken to mean, that Jesus Christ ALONE is the Creator, and not the Father and Holy Spirit.

 

[Cooper]

when you say, "The Creator is the Word, and Jesus is the Creator's name on earth", it can be taken to mean, that Jesus Christ ALONE is the Creator, and not the Father and Holy Spirit.

You said yourself that Jesus is Yahweh and not Mary's son. (I need to go back and check.) The point is, that God manifests himself in three ways, in heaven, on earth and in our hearts, and Jesus is the One omnipresent God on earth.

I need to take my dog Cooper for a walk and will speak to you later God bless. PS don't forget that Jesus was the Word in the beginning, and the word became flesh, and Jesus is God with us, and there in only One God.
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[ByGraceThroughFaith]

You said yourself that Jesus is Yahweh and not Mary's son. (I need to go back and check.) The point is, that God manifests himself in three ways, in heaven, on earth and in our hearts, and Jesus is the One omnipresent God on earth.

I need to take my dog Cooper for a walk and will speak to you later God bless.
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Jesus Christ is the Eternal God, Yahweh, but not the only Person Who is Yahweh, as there is The Father and The Holy Spirit Who are also Yahweh.

When Jesus Christ became Incarnate, He remained fully God, but took upon Himself the "nature" of humans, out of the Virgin Mary, and became the God-Man, fully God and fully Man, except for any sin. Jesus is Mary's Son, in respect to His "human nature" being derived from her, and Born naturally as other children are.

 

[Cooper]

Jesus Christ is the Eternal God, Yahweh, but not the only Person Who is Yahweh, as there is The Father and The Holy Spirit Who are also Yahweh.

When Jesus Christ became Incarnate, He remained fully God, but took upon Himself the "nature" of humans, out of the Virgin Mary, and became the God-Man, fully God and fully Man, except for any sin. Jesus is Mary's Son, in respect to His "human nature" being derived from her, and Born naturally as other children are.

Agreed. So this is the thing, are there three gods or is there One omnipresent God in heaven, on earth and in our hearts who is known by three names? Remember Jesus is God's name on earth.

I need to go out.
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[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Agreed. So this is the thing, are there three gods or is there One omnipresent God in heaven, on earth and in our hearts who is known by three names? Remember Jesus is God's name on earth.

I need to go out.
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The Bible is very clear, that there is only One Being God, not three Gods.

The Bible is also very clear, that there are Three Distinct Persons, Who are equally called Yahweh/God, known to us as The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

You say, "Jesus is God's name on earth", this is not true, as Jesus Christ is ONE of the Three Persons in the Godhead. When Jesus Christ was on earth, as the God-Man, there was also God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, at this time, both invisible.

When you say "three names", are you denying that The Three are Distinct Persons?

 

[Cooper]

The Bible is very clear, that there is only One Being God, not three Gods.

The Bible is also very clear, that there are Three Distinct Persons, Who are equally called Yahweh/God, known to us as The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

You say, "Jesus is God's name on earth", this is not true, as Jesus Christ is ONE of the Three Persons in the Godhead. When Jesus Christ was on earth, as the God-Man, there was also God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, at this time, both invisible.

When you say "three names", are you denying that The Three are Distinct Persons?

I have three names but I am one person. Similar to the One God.
Likewise I have several rolls while being one person.
None of which detracts from my "oneness."
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[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I have three names but I am one person.
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then you don't believe in the Trinity, and your understanding of God is Modalism.

 

[Cooper]

then you don't believe in the Trinity, and your understanding of God is Modalism.

I resent that.
So tell me your understanding of the Trinity.
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