Is anyone else a Seer?

[Hillsage]

Sure.

The Apostle Paul, who wrote most of the NT Epistles, was a "Chosen Vessel" Jesus said.

He was chosen in the womb. Just like John the baptist jumped in the womb when Mary, pregnant with Jesus, came to see Elizabeth. I still say it was a physical thing that took place as both were fetuses.

JER 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Also....

Eph 4:11-12

"For the perfecting of the Saints).. "God GIVES" some "ministries"..

The "giving" is the Call upon their life, into one these ministries..

= "Pastor, Evangelist, Prophet, Teacher, Apostle".

EPH 4:11* And he gave some AS apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of THE SAINTS, for the work of the (their) ministry,

I still think that the "GIFTS" given unto "men" or "the saints for their perfecting" and for their "work of the ministry (which they had)" was the ONES who were formed in the womb as those who thought like an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher.

WE, .. .dont choose to become one of Those........as they are a "call of God".. on the person.. Its a Ministry anointing, for that ministry.

God calls someone, and that is the anointing..... and then God enables them over time, to perform that ministry.

I agree we don't choose how we are formed in the womb by God. Scripture may say they are "chosen" but where does it say they are "CALLED" to be any of the five-fold? I know we were taught that by the church but can you find a verse saying that? I'm interested again to see if you have one I don't know or remember.

They are not "the"< they are : "A" ministry.

God chooses some, from the Body of Christ..

I've established two 'in the womb' (Jeremiah and John), and they weren't in the body of Christ in the OT. I have no reason to believe how he chose them in the womb before birth, changed in the NT.

The 12 Apostles are an interesting situation, as none of them were born again when they were called to be an "Apostle".

Agree

So...Now, when a person is called to be "pastor, prophet, evangelist, teacher, apostle", they are always of the Body of Christ., before they are called into a ministry.

Disagree as I explained before.

The reason that Jesus has "the spirit without measure" is because ...

"God is A Spirit" and "Christ is THAT Spirit".

"GOD is spirit" in some translations and "God is a spirit" in others.
"God is Spirit" in some translations and "God is A Spirit" in others.

I'm stopping because you wrote to much to respond to.
Plus, I don't want to always do your work of looking up every verse you quote without an address. Post them and save us the time.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Here is an example of how it works today.

Some years back I was just leaving church and I got a call on my cell phone. It was a close friend who had some other friends around at his house and they were having 'great a time of fellowship'. He invited me and my fiancée to join them. There was a lot of noise in the background - immediately I felt an unease about what was going on.

So I found a Church elder and asked him to cover me in prayer during the visit.

Driving to the address I repeatedly heard the words 'controlling spirit' in my mind.

Then I felt a deep sense of what would happen when we arrived.

So I said to my wife to be "If when we arrive, someone says "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you" You will know that the entire time of 'ministry' is under the control of a controlling spirit.

So we arrived at the house and knocked on the door, which was opened by a lady who immediately said "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you".

There was a lot of praying going on and bodies on the floor supposedly under 'the power' they 'discerned' the baby's cot was demented and burned it - it was quite a scene.

Then the lady approached me to 'lay on hands' to which I politely resisted - enough was enough...

So I said to the owner of the house to come with me to the car, I reminded him of a young lady in ministry during the Welsh Revival that Evan Roberts realised in retrospect had a false gift - so I said come out with me to the car or I will leave.

When he came out to the car where I told him that all the going's on were under a controlling spirit. Immediately he broke into weeping repentance and was deeply distraught.

I assured him that the Lord had the situation under control and he should go back and bring his wife out.

When she came out to the car the same thing happened - deep weeping repentance.

Then I asked that they fetch the husband of the lady.

He came out and I explained what was going on - he too came to weeping repentance.

So I instructed them to go back in and get the lady's permission to be prayed for which they did and the spiritual intrusion was dealt with and peace and order was restored.

I expect there will be those who will attribute my insight to a false spirit - oh well that's life.

I can't imagine Satan wanting anyone to repent let alone defuse such a master plan of destruction and deception.

Now the interesting detail that came out of this was that the lady had just attended a workshop on deliverance run by a Christian celebrity and was really fired up to minister to others.

The Celeb didn't think it was needed to vet the participants and encouraged them to practice deliverance on one another.

Being a nobody in Christian circles it took me a while to pluck up the courage to report the matter to the Celeb's spiritual authority, which I eventually did.

Well that was an eye opener for everyone - the couple who owned the house went to Hong Kong as missionaries.

We were married a few months later and have had 5 children - we are now nearly 40 years married.

I hope this is a refreshing change from the bible bashing dialogue we usually endure.

 

[One 2 question]

Its a matter of "rightly dividing" the word of God, by spiritual discernment, that is based on "study" and "comparing scripture with scripture".

I was just thinking. Has God been communicating to mankind through AI? Or will He in the future? How do we know if God is going to use AI or not? Can we trust AI as a trustworthy means of receiving divine truth?

What does God think about AI?

 

[Behold]

I was just thinking. Has God been communicating to mankind through AI? Or will He in the future? How do we know if God is going to use AI or not? Can we trust AI as a trustworthy means of receiving divine truth?

What does God think about AI?

Did the creator of AI design it to help Christianity?
Doubtful.

Is it possible for a Christian to use AI in the public area to bring Glory to God, and Help Unbelievers find Faith in Christ.

A.) I hope so

 

[One 2 question]

Did the creator of AI design it to help Christianity?
Doubtful.

Is it possible for a Christian to use AI in the public area to bring Glory to God, and Help Unbelievers find Faith in Christ.

A.) I hope so

Sure. But what does God Himself think and say about AI?

 

[Behold]

Sure. But what does God Himself think and say about AI?

Good question.

Perhaps it was always the hope of designers of Computers, to evolve them to the point that they can simulate human intelligence.

Maybe this was always the goal of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs... they wanted to "play God" by trying to duplicate in a piece of software, human intelligence, and this way they could pretend to be "God".

The issue with artificial intelligence, is that its "insect like", regarding the fact that it has no empathy, no compassion, no love.
It's soulless... its like living Math. Its accurate, it's perhaps perfect, but it has no way to make factual judgements based on morality, as it has none.

 

[One 2 question]

Au

Good question.

Perhaps it was always the hope of designers of Computers, to evolve them to the point that they can simulate human intelligence.

Maybe this was always the goal of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs... they wanted to "play God" by trying to duplicate in a piece of software, human intelligence, and this way they could pretend to be "God".

The issue with artificial intelligence, is that its "insect like", regarding the fact that it has no empathy, no compassion, no love.
It's soulless... its like living Math. Its accurate, it's perhaps perfect, but it has no way to make factual judgements based on morality, as it has none.

Sure, you are probably right. But again, what does God Himself think about AI?

If someone wanted to test mine or your thoughts or what we discern about AI, how do they do this to ensure it lines up with God's thoughts on AI?

 

[Behold]

t AI, how do they do this to ensure it lines up with God's thoughts on AI?

Notice how its being used...

Is it being used to morally corrupt or to genuinely help.

 

[Peterlag]

Here is an example of how it works today.

Some years back I was just leaving church and I got a call on my cell phone. It was a close friend who had some other friends around at his house and they were having 'great a time of fellowship'. He invited me and my fiancée to join them. There was a lot of noise in the background - immediately I felt an unease about what was going on.

So I found a Church elder and asked him to cover me in prayer during the visit.

Driving to the address I repeatedly heard the words 'controlling spirit' in my mind.

Then I felt a deep sense of what would happen when we arrived.

So I said to my wife to be "If when we arrive, someone says "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you" You will know that the entire time of 'ministry' is under the control of a controlling spirit.

So we arrived at the house and knocked on the door, which was opened by a lady who immediately said "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you".

There was a lot of praying going on and bodies on the floor supposedly under 'the power' they 'discerned' the baby's cot was demented and burned it - it was quite a scene.

Then the lady approached me to 'lay on hands' to which I politely resisted - enough was enough...

So I said to the owner of the house to come with me to the car, I reminded him of a young lady in ministry during the Welsh Revival that Evan Roberts realised in retrospect had a false gift - so I said come out with me to the car or I will leave.

When he came out to the car where I told him that all the going's on were under a controlling spirit. Immediately he broke into weeping repentance and was deeply distraught.

I assured him that the Lord had the situation under control and he should go back and bring his wife out.

When she came out to the car the same thing happened - deep weeping repentance.

Then I asked that they fetch the husband of the lady.

He came out and I explained what was going on - he too came to weeping repentance.

So I instructed them to go back in and get the lady's permission to be prayed for which they did and the spiritual intrusion was dealt with and peace and order was restored.

I expect there will be those who will attribute my insight to a false spirit - oh well that's life.

I can't imagine Satan wanting anyone to repent let alone defuse such a master plan of destruction and deception.

Now the interesting detail that came out of this was that the lady had just attended a workshop on deliverance run by a Christian celebrity and was really fired up to minister to others.

The Celeb didn't think it was needed to vet the participants and encouraged them to practice deliverance on one another.

Being a nobody in Christian circles it took me a while to pluck up the courage to report the matter to the Celeb's spiritual authority, which I eventually did.

Well that was an eye opener for everyone - the couple who owned the house went to Hong Kong as missionaries.

We were married a few months later and have had 5 children - we are now nearly 40 years married.

I hope this is a refreshing change from the bible bashing dialogue we usually endure.

This is also how the spirit of the Lord talks to me...

If when we arrive, someone says "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you" You will know that the entire time of 'ministry' is under the control of a controlling spirit.

So we arrived at the house and knocked on the door, which was opened by a lady who immediately said "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you"

 

[Carl Emerson]

This is also how the spirit of the Lord talks to me...

If when we arrive, someone says "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you" You will know that the entire time of 'ministry' is under the control of a controlling spirit.

So we arrived at the house and knocked on the door, which was opened by a lady who immediately said "I'm so glad you came, I really want to pray for you"

Is this not foretelling? proclaiming what is about to happen?

 

[Wrangler]

Again, I don't know what these games are that you keep mentioning. I got the idea about the future from these guys...

Friend, I received a vision of the future from God. Believe it or not. I can only offer my testimony.

 

[Peterlag]

Is this not foretelling? proclaiming what is about to happen?

I don't see that the Lord is looking into the future. He already knows right now that some spirits are flying around in that house and he already knows how your mind works and how to talk to you so that he can cause you to understand. The evil spirit was probably telling everyone she was glad to see them so she can pray for them.

 

[Behold]

Is this not foretelling? proclaiming what is about to happen?

Thats revelation being revealed, that you are suggesting as "foretelling", but its more then fortune telling. It REVELATION..

The Bible does this...also..........as The Bible shows us what God has done, what God is doing, and what God is going to do...in the future.

Example?

The Cross of Christ birthed the "body of Christ", and it entered into "the time of the gentiles".
Paul is the only "Apostle to the Gentiles" and that is why He wrote most of the Epistles.


The Bible has shown us, that the Trib-GrtTrib are coming... so, that is future "revelation"...= that is the Bible, doing that...

All of this.....is "God's Foreknowledge"....... as all revelation knowledge we find as the Bible... is "God's Foreknowledge".

 

[Hillsage]

God sees the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning. He alone dwells in true eternity. We dwell in the age we are living in.

ROM 4:17 ...and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Prophesying can be a (past tense) 'word' spoken from the mouth of God, revealing something that has happened, but is relevant to some present tense issue or problem we are dealing with.
Prophesying can also be a 'Forthtelling' (present tense) word spoken from the mouth of God.
Prophesying can speaking a 'foretelling' (future tense) word spoken from the mouth of God.

I have experienced giving PROPHETIC words in all three (tenses). I was always in the present AION/age and God was always in ADIOS/ETERNAL time.

The only Greek word meeting our definition
0126 aidios: everduring (forward and backward, or forward only)

 

[Carl Emerson]

Thats revelation being revealed, that you are suggesting as "foretelling", but its more then fortune telling. It REVELATION..

The Bible does this...also..........as The Bible shows us what God has done, what God is doing, and what God is going to do...in the future.

Example?

The Cross of Christ birthed the "body of Christ", and it entered into "the time of the gentiles".
Paul is the only "Apostle to the Gentiles" and that is why He wrote most of the Epistles.


The Bible has shown us, that the Trib-GrtTrib are coming... so, that is future "revelation"...= that is the Bible, doing that...

All of this.....is "God's Foreknowledge"....... as all revelation knowledge we find as the Bible... is "God's Foreknowledge".

foretelling

1. predict (the future or a future event).
   "a seer had foretold that the earl would assume the throne"

 

[Behold]

foretelling

1. predict (the future or a future event).
   "a seer had foretold that the earl would assume the throne"

Fortune telling..

Tarot Cards

Palm reading

Reading Tea Leaves

"Crystal Ball" = "Call 1-800 - Seer"......, and find out if you are going to win the billion dollar Lotto... only $12 usd per minute"" "Call now as our Psychic Hotline has operators waiting for YOU">...

"Let us tell you your fortune.... as we are trained professional Psychics".... WE are all Graduates of the (Louis Siffer) school of the damend and waiting". John 3:36

Whereas.....

The Foreknowledge of God, is .. .God knows everything that is going to happen next, all the time, from the beginning of time till time itself ends. And He's shown much of this in the Holy Bible.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Fortune telling..

Tarot Cards

Palm reading

Reading Tea Leaves

"Crystal Ball" = "Call 1-800 - Seer"......, and find out if you are going to win the billion dollar Lotto... only $12 usd per minute"" "Call now as our Psychic Hotline has operators waiting for YOU">...

"Let us tell you your fortune.... as we are trained professional Psychics".... WE are all Graduates of the (Louis Siffer) school of the damend and waiting". John 3:36

Whereas.....

The Foreknowledge of God, is .. .God knows everything that is going to happen next, all the time, from the beginning of time till time itself ends. And He's shown much of this in the Holy Bible.

The dictionary does not define foretelling as fortune telling.

Matthew 16:21

Jesus Foretells His Death​

From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.

If we can stick to dictionary definitions it saves a lot of confusion and misunderstanding.

 

[Peterlag]

Thats revelation being revealed, that you are suggesting as "foretelling", but its more then fortune telling. It REVELATION..

The Bible does this...also..........as The Bible shows us what God has done, what God is doing, and what God is going to do...in the future.

Example?

The Cross of Christ birthed the "body of Christ", and it entered into "the time of the gentiles".
Paul is the only "Apostle to the Gentiles" and that is why He wrote most of the Epistles.


The Bible has shown us, that the Trib-GrtTrib are coming... so, that is future "revelation"...= that is the Bible, doing that...

All of this.....is "God's Foreknowledge"....... as all revelation knowledge we find as the Bible... is "God's Foreknowledge".

Thanks for the help. I can use it with this group.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Again, I don't know what these games are that you keep mentioning. I got the idea about the future from these guys...

The God Who Risks: A Theology of Divine Providence ​

by John Sanders

God At War: The Bible And Spiritual Conflict​

by Gregory A Boyd

Are you aware of the controversy around Sanders?

John E. Sanders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[One 2 question]

Notice how its being used...

Is it being used to morally corrupt or to genuinely help.

So there is no way of knowing what God thinks about AI?