Is Any Denomination Saved?

[Taken]

Are Catholics Saved?
^ OP

Some yes, Some no.

Claiming to be part of a particular group, does Not equal having Received or having not Received Salvation.

I believe God is the Creator AND Maker...

The "Making" is what God Will Change or Will Not Change...about An individual CREATED earthling.

For the conversion of a man to be IN Christ; I believe the change of an individual must be a Whole change...body, soul, spirit.

I believe The Catholic Doctrine and teaching is Not in line with Jesus' Doctrine...regarding the Salvation of the soul.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[mailmandan]

God saves us individually. "Whoever" believes in Him.. (John 3:16). Believers make up the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:18,24). There are certain churches that teach false gospels, which will lead all of those to their doom, who strictly follow the teachings of those churches. But those who believe the true gospel (and not just whatever those churches teach) are saved regardless of the group with which they are associated. There are people who are saved "in spite" of what their church teaches about the plan of salvation and "not because" of what it teaches. Conversely, one's church may preach the true gospel. If one truly believes the gospel, then one is saved. (Romans 1:16) But if one does not believe the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:3,4) then one is lost even though the official teaching about the plan of salvation of one's church is correct.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nope, your parents skipped Acts and you still do

Nope - they knew the promise was made to their children as well and had us Baptized.

Have faith in God for a change . . .

 

[Truther]

Nope - they knew the promise was made to their children as well and had us Baptized.

Have faith in God for a change . . .

Since they or you don’t have the Holy Ghost per Acts, you only have the Popes promise to claim, not God’s promise.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Since they or you don’t have the Holy Ghost per Acts, you only have the Popes promise to claim, not God’s promise.

We have the Holy Spirit - per John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 and Rom. 2:29.

STUDY your Bible, Einstein . . .

 

[Enow]

Men are blind....not God. So you are misrepresenting God here.

Jesus doesn't make God blind. You are believing a HUGE lie here. God sees the hidden things...He sees the secrets of men. And ALL things will be revealed on judgment day (not hidden as you suppose)

He may be referring to walking in fellowship with the Father & the Son and not in darkness as a believer "in Christ" should. See the effect in verse 7.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

When a believer is walking in darkness, though, if they do not repent of removing that wood, stubble, and hay off of that foundation, God will judge it.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

But if you note, his spirit is still saved.

 

[Enow]

And the answer is: if you are IN Christ, the Father does NOT SEE your sin, because of Christ. That is all the Father sees, which is what Colossians 3 is saying. [1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
[2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
[3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
[4] When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Are you referring to walking in fellowship with the Father & the Son and not in darkness as a believer "in Christ" should. See the effect in verse 7.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

When a believer is walking in darkness, though, if they do not repent of removing that wood, stubble, and hay off of that foundation, God will judge it.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

But if you note, his spirit is still saved.

 

[Truther]

We have the Holy Spirit - per John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 and Rom. 2:29.

STUDY your Bible, Einstein . . .

You just don’t have the Holy Ghost per tongues per Acts.
You have zero evidence of it.
Nada, nothing, nyet.
You only believe you have it because of a baptismal certificate.
Kinda like a birth certificate, which you got with no idea of what just happened to you.

 

[Enow]

You just don’t have the Holy Ghost per tongues per Acts.
You have zero evidence of it.
Nada, nothing, nyet.
You only believe you have it because of a baptismal certificate.
Kinda like a birth certificate, which you got with no idea of what just happened to you.

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are never to serve as a sign or proof towards the believers for anything; not for proof of salvation; not for proof of God calling them into the ministry, and not for proof to the CC that they are keeping the doctrines within in their early days of the CC.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report... 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

There is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church as they speak in tongues and yet for all that time they had spoken in tongues, you think the Holy Spirit would have reproved them of their works in Catholicism? So no. You have to test the spirits and the tongues they bring. John 4:1-6

If any one feels a spirit coming over them later in life as a saved believer, that was not the Holy Spirit when He has been in you since you had first believed at the calling of the gospel. That is why that tongue is not of Him at all but speaks as the world speaks in gibberish nonsense. Isaiah 8:19

It did not say..

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through tongues.... For ye are all the children of God by tongues in Christ Jesus.

@BreadOfLife

And it did not say...

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through the Catholic Church.... For ye are all the children of God by the Catholic Church in Christ Jesus.

 

[Truther]

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are never to serve as a sign or proof towards the believers for anything; not for proof of salvation; not for proof of God calling them into the ministry, and not for proof to the CC that they are keeping the doctrines within in their early days of the CC.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report... 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

There is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church as they speak in tongues and yet for all that time they had spoken in tongues, you think the Holy Spirit would have reproved them of their works in Catholicism? So no. You have to test the spirits and the tongues they bring. John 4:1-6

If any one feels a spirit coming over them later in life as a saved believer, that was not the Holy Spirit when He has been in you since you had first believed at the calling of the gospel. That is why that tongue is not of Him at all but speaks as the world speaks in gibberish nonsense. Isaiah 8:19

It did not say..

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through tongues.... For ye are all the children of God by tongues in Christ Jesus.

@BreadOfLife

And it did not say...

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through the Catholic Church.... For ye are all the children of God by the Catholic Church in Christ Jesus.

You are talking about the gift of tongues, not unknown tongues.

 

[Philip James]

For ye are all the children of God by the Catholic Church in Christ Jesus.

Now you're getting it! ;)

Truth is truth even if a donkey speaks it

Peace be with you!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You just don’t have the Holy Ghost per tongues per Acts.
You have zero evidence of it.
Nada, nothing, nyet.
You only believe you have it because of a baptismal certificate.
Kinda like a birth certificate, which you got with no idea of what just happened to you.

And once again - tongues is not "THE" evidence of the Spirit - but only ONE of the gifts.
Besides - I know PLENTY of Catholics who speak in tongues.

How many time must I humiliate you by showing you the words of Paul on the subject before you finally get it?

1 Cor. 12:27-31
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
Are ALL apostles? Are ALL prophets? Are ALL teachers? Do ALL work miracles? Do ALL have gifts of healing? Do ALL speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

Next time - do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are never to serve as a sign or proof towards the believers for anything; not for proof of salvation; not for proof of God calling them into the ministry, and not for proof to the CC that they are keeping the doctrines within in their early days of the CC.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report... 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

There is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church as they speak in tongues and yet for all that time they had spoken in tongues, you think the Holy Spirit would have reproved them of their works in Catholicism? So no. You have to test the spirits and the tongues they bring. John 4:1-6

If any one feels a spirit coming over them later in life as a saved believer, that was not the Holy Spirit when He has been in you since you had first believed at the calling of the gospel. That is why that tongue is not of Him at all but speaks as the world speaks in gibberish nonsense. Isaiah 8:19

It did not say..

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through tongues.... For ye are all the children of God by tongues in Christ Jesus.

@BreadOfLife

And it did not say...

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through the Catholic Church.... For ye are all the children of God by the Catholic Church in Christ Jesus.

Sounds like you don't have a CLUE as to what we were discussing because I never made the claim above in RED.
Pay attention - or get out of the way . . .

 

[Earburner]

We receive the Holy Spirit at Baptism, Einstein.
READ your Bible . . .

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of WATER and SPIRIT.

Acts 2:38
Peter[said to them, “Repent and BE BAPTIZED, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; AND YOU WILL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

There is a difference between walking in the Spirit, as opposed to walking in Religion.
The Pharisees, and the types thereof, never do get the message. Much of that can be learned from the parable of the wheat and the tares. Matthew 13

 

[Earburner]

Where does it say to baptize infants? It doesn't.
In fact, it refers to all the Lord will call...how do you know if a specific infant is going to respond to God's call? You don't, until he is old enough to understand the gospel.

Baptism by water, is no evidence or confidence of salvation, in infants or otherwise. Jesus Himself revealed what we must do in Luke 11:13. Through faith in Jesus, we must ASK for the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. God is faithful to give Him to us, because it is the work of Him "sealing" us to the promise of our redemption, upon the Day of Jesus' Glorious return.

Romans 8:8-9 says it all, no matter what Religious denomination one belongs to. If you don't know your status with Him about that, then you better get to it.
John 3:18 reveals that there is no middle ground, aka purgatory. While we have breath now, we are either one of His, or none of His.

 

[Enow]

You are talking about the gift of tongues, not unknown tongues.

The gift of tongues are unknown tongues to the saint that the Holy Spirit is manifesting the gift of tongues thru. Paul was not talking about any other kind of tongue in 1 Corinthians 14:1-40 to be used in the assembly for why believers that are zealous for spiritual gifts should seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts because the gift of tongues is not a stand alone gift for why it should come with interpretation or otherwise that tongue will be unfruitful to the tongue speaker unless it is interpreted to understand it.

 

[Enow]

Now you're getting it! ;)

You didn't get it. The term "antichrist" means "instead of Christ". Switching out faith in Jesus Christ in how we are the children of God to the Catholic Church makes the Catholic Church the antichrist. Putting the Catholic Church in front of coming to Jesus Christ for salvation, makes the CC the thief.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

It is Catholic saying that if you find someone dying in the desert, then you are to preach the gospel to them and if they believe in the Jesus Christ, they are saved, but if they are not dying, God will give more grace to lead that person to the Catholic Church. That was paraphrased as best as I can recall it.

CC saying that means they know how a person can really be saved and so the rest is just one long line of dung to take advantage of Catholics.

Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

So it is not God giving more grace to do the works of Catholicism when believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead is how we are saved by the grace of God.

 

[Enow]

Sounds like you don't have a CLUE as to what we were discussing because I never made the claim above in RED.
Pay attention - or get out of the way . . .

Do pay attention too. The reply was to Truther in reproving his use of tongues as proof or a sign of anything but I added the @ to your name regarding a comment about switching out faith with the Catholic Church in those verses. I shall repeat it one more time.. the first was to Truther, then I attached your name to the other reproof after Truther's reproof.

It did not say..

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through tongues.... For ye are all the children of God by tongues in Christ Jesus.

@BreadOfLife

And it did not say...

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through the Catholic Church.... For ye are all the children of God by the Catholic Church in Christ Jesus.

See how I was not addressing tongues reproof to you but how your theology about the Catholic Church being the means how we are saved runs against scripture for how we receive the promise of the Spirit and how we are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ; that includes Catholics. albeit, you all have been misled to believer otherwise.

 

[Philip James]

You didn't get it. The term "antichrist" means "instead of Christ". Switching out faith in Jesus Christ in how we are the children of God to the Catholic Church makes the Catholic Church the antichrist. Putting the Catholic Church in front of coming to Jesus Christ for salvation, makes the CC the thief.

Dear enow,

If one is not the fruit of the union of the Bridegroom and His holy bride, whos child are they?
Christ and His Church are One!

Peace be with you!

 

[Truther]

The gift of tongues are unknown tongues to the saint that the Holy Spirit is manifesting the gift of tongues thru. Paul was not talking about any other kind of tongue in 1 Corinthians 14:1-40 to be used in the assembly for why believers that are zealous for spiritual gifts should seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts because the gift of tongues is not a stand alone gift for why it should come with interpretation or otherwise that tongue will be unfruitful to the tongue speaker unless it is interpreted to understand it.

No, the gift of tongues are various known languages.(Divers kinds of tongues).

Unknown tongues are only for the speaker as a human spirit prayer.

Various known languages were not an issue in chapter 14, but unknown tongues were.

All were expected to speak in unknown tongues per chapter 14, but few were expected to be used in divers kinds of tongues per chapter 12.