GracePeace
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Objectively, they're in rebellion against God--just as the rebellion against the King was objectively sinful according to Scripture.To them it does and you really need to brush up on your American history.
I'm Pretty Sure That Jesus Wasn't Talking About This
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Grailhunter
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GracePeace
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What does that have to do with anything? Not everything in our lives was put there by God for us to obey and follow,.. sometimes it was put there by Him for an obstacle to overcome and make us stronger people. Can I get an amen church or what!?
GracePeace
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Again, neither Jesus nor His Apostles endorsed or taught that.What does that have to do with anything? Not everything in our lives was put there by God for us to obey and follow,.. sometimes it was put there by Him for an obstacle to overcome and make us stronger people. Can I get an amen church or what!?
Also,
Romans 13
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. 2Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
The American Revolution was rebellion against the King (thus God)--and today we are a contender for the most wicked nation on the planet.
I'm pretty sure that you're taking this out of context. Submitting to the laws of the government and submitting to the government itself seems like two entirely different things. And Hell is going to freeze over and Satan is going to give free ice cream before I submit to Biden, Harris, and all of their minion democrats.
GracePeace
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1. Out of context? How so?
2. A Government is Its laws--rebellion against law is rebellion against Government.
3. You're already submitting to Harris-Biden when you stop at a red light.
Grailhunter
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Just to add info for the debate...
Exodus 21:23-25
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
This is actually one of the Mosaic Laws. And I do have issues with Spirit of the Mosaic Laws but what do you guys think the Spirit of this Law is?
Of course there are other things to consider, Christ did make a scourge of small cords and drive out the money changers.
Luke 22:36 And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one.
He was telling His Apostles to buy swords.
Matthew 12:29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
Luke 11:21-22 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder.
However this debate is resolved within the boundaries of Fundamentalism, Christianity as a whole did not turn out to be pacifists.
Exodus 21:23-25
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
This is actually one of the Mosaic Laws. And I do have issues with Spirit of the Mosaic Laws but what do you guys think the Spirit of this Law is?
Of course there are other things to consider, Christ did make a scourge of small cords and drive out the money changers.
Luke 22:36 And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one.
He was telling His Apostles to buy swords.
Matthew 12:29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
Luke 11:21-22 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder.
However this debate is resolved within the boundaries of Fundamentalism, Christianity as a whole did not turn out to be pacifists.
GracePeace
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If they tell us to disobey God directly then we submit to God and rebel against them.What does that have to do with anything? Not everything in our lives was put there by God for us to obey and follow,.. sometimes it was put there by Him for an obstacle to overcome and make us stronger people. Can I get an amen church or what!?
Otherwise, we are supposed to submit.
GracePeace
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Except John, the 12 Apostles were executed--none asked for an armed revolt, so the swords weren't for fighting.
Grailhunter
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LOL LOL Lets hear it...what do you think swords are for? What do you think Christ was thinking?
But I am not saying that Christians did not embrace martyrdom initially. It just did not last.
Excuse me?
Okay let me just ask you one question then. Is being supportive of abortion (AKA baby murdering) honoring God or rebelling against Him?
GracePeace
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If we reject the example of Jesus and His Apostles, which religion do we belong to?
GracePeace
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When you stop at a red light, you are obeying the government--and that government is run by Harris-Biden.
Granted, they're in there illegitimately, but that doesn't change the fact that you're submitting to them.
GracePeace
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The form of Government we have is unique in history.
We have "representative self-government"--a Democratic Republic.
We The People are the Government, and our Representatives establish our laws.
How is it "rebellion" to follow the rules and demand righteous laws?
Also, again, when ever the Government says to disobey God, we obey God not men.
Grailhunter
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Not rejecting anything, just looking at what actually went on. And I do not think that Peter was a pacifist.
Any way I just gave you guys information, I am not a Fundamentalist.
GracePeace
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1. Wasn't trying to "accuse" anyone, just pointing out what is being done.
2. "What went on" was they were martyred--and Jesus (martyred) says not to repay evil for evil but turn the other cheek.
3. Peter erred, according to Christ, when he attacked the servant in the Garden.
4. Fundamentalist = believe Bible. Which religion can we belong to without the Bible?
Actually I don't even drive.
Why can't you just answer my question? Why should I answer any of yours if you can't even answer mine?
GracePeace
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I stand corrected.
When you do not steal from a store you're submitting to the Government.
Which question? Abortion?
The question was without warrant in the first place--I'd already said we obey God if Government demands we sin.
