If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

[talons]

It’s far more loving for me to bounce than the alternative. Which is why I’m bouncing. I rather not start to drop cuss word after cuss word and pictures no one will appreciate.

Could be God is working on your patience with people . We can be angry but sin not . You can take a break and come back next year .

 

[RLT63]

It’s far more loving for me to bounce than the alternative. Which is why I’m bouncing. I rather not start to drop cuss word after cuss word and pictures no one will appreciate.

Yeah, it would probably get bad if politics were brought up

 

[Dan Clarkston]

It’s far more loving for me to bounce than the alternative. Which is why I’m bouncing. I rather not start to drop cuss word after cuss word and pictures no one will appreciate.

Only those being led by the devil would start using cuss words... a result of not having the Holy Ghost.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I suggest just rereading the last handful of posts since yours and seeing if it’s already been discussed.

I see mentions and theories and suppositions.

I also see you place high value on institutions that have high academic value. However many professors of Theology are not men of faith and thus have their own intellectual bias toward Scripture.

What it ultimately boils down to, is not empirical evidence, for there is little as demonstrated by the supposed contradiction in Chptrs 16%17.

The bible does not give any reason as to whether Saul remembered Daivid or not. It just says that David played the harp for Saul, went home and then later on came back to the scene of battle twice and the second time David went to Saul. We do not know if Saul recognized David or not- it just was not important enough to jot down for believers. If it was God would have had it written down.

Got any other contradictions? This one is very weak.

Also just to put in a caveat. Please do not throw a contradiction in for something that archeology has not yet discovered.

People mockeds Nineveh and Paul using the word Archon because they had no evidences of these- until there was.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

How did Noah’s Ark actually happen? Does anyone else think that seems a little far fetched? I’m just asking what other people opinion is on this? Also, why does the bible constantly contradict itself.

I don’t think you are horrible for asking, or wondering. My grandson (he is seventeen) also has questions. He asked me —his being very serious—how a loving God could flood the earth where there were also children and babies.

you have valid questions I think.

 

[talons]

We do not know if Saul recognized David or not- it just was not important enough to jot down for believers. If it was God would have had it written down.

Sure I believe Saul knew David well by this time , but did he know David was a warrior or man of valor ? If Saul had never seen David in battle Saul would have no idea that the young man who had played harp for him and carried his armor was someone who could battle the mighty Philistine .
Read what I said to Skovand here and give me your thoughts , he is done here it seems . If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

 

[RLT63]

I see mentions and theories and suppositions.

I also see you place high value on institutions that have high academic value. However many professors of Theology are not men of faith and thus have their own intellectual bias toward Scripture.

What it ultimately boils down to, is not empirical evidence, for there is little as demonstrated by the supposed contradiction in Chptrs 16%17.

The bible does not give any reason as to whether Saul remembered Daivid or not. It just says that David played the harp for Saul, went home and then later on came back to the scene of battle twice and the second time David went to Saul. We do not know if Saul recognized David or not- it just was not important enough to jot down for believers. If it was God would have had it written down.

Got any other contradictions? This one is very weak.

Also just to put in a caveat. Please do not throw a contradiction in for something that archeology has not yet discovered.

People mockeds Nineveh and Paul using the word Archon because they had no evidences of these- until there was.

David was playing an instrument for Saul to relieve him from an evil spirit, so who knows what kind of mental state he was in.
I find it more difficult than the supposed contradiction that the spirit was from God.

 

[post]

How did Noah’s Ark actually happen? Does anyone else think that seems a little far fetched? I’m just asking what other people opinion is on this? Also, why does the bible constantly contradict itself.

um.... troll much?

Genesis happened as Genesis explained it, and the Bible does not contradict itself, at all.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sure I believe Saul knew David well by this time , but did he know David was a warrior or man of valor ? If Saul had never seen David in battle Saul would have no idea that the young man who had played harp for him and carried his armor was someone who could battle the mighty Philistine .
Read what I said to Skovand here and give me your thoughts , he is done here it seems . If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

He may or may not have known Daid well. We do not know how many times he played for Saul before returning home. How the servants described David also is an unknown how they knew.

We just can ascertain for certain that Saul met David as a harpist, then remet him when David was determined to fight Goliath. Everything else is speculation which is anywhere from 0-100% wrong.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

David was playing an instrument for Saul to relieve him from an evil spirit, so who knows what kind of mental state he was in.
I find it more difficult than the supposed contradiction that the spirit was from God.

Well Scripture does say that the evil spirit came from God. Is this so hard to accept given that God gave Satan permission to wreak havoc in Job's life? Or that God will send a strong delusion ot make people believe a lie in the end times?

 

[talons]

He may or may not have known Daid well.

Do you think King Saul was into loving "greatly" random people ?

21And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.

22And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight.

23And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you think King Saul was into loving "greatly" random people ?

21And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.

22And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight.

23And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

Well what evidence do you have that David was a "greatly random person" to Saul after the harpingf and defeating Goliath

 

[TheHC]

All the first chapters of the book of Genesis are a parable.

You think so? Adam & Eve are just allegorical?

Then how does Jesus’ sacrifice work for mankind?
Why is it needed?
What important value does it provide?
How is it a “ransom”?

 

[quietthinker]

You think so? Adam & Eve are just allegorical?

Then how does Jesus’ sacrifice work for mankind?
Why is it needed?
What important value does it provide?
How is it a “ransom”?

good questions!

 

[Galgal]

You think so? Adam & Eve are just allegorical?

Then how does Jesus’ sacrifice work for mankind?
Why is it needed?
What important value does it provide?
How is it a “ransom”?

The sacrifice of Christ works because believers voluntarily offer themselves as a sacrifice to God, acting according to the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-6-7.

Think about it: the principle of God's justice is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. How many teeth did Jesus Christ have so that he could pay for all the teeth knocked out in quarrels? How many eyes did Jesus have so that He could pay for all those blinded by villains? But we know that although Jesus was tortured before the crucifixion, his teeth were not knocked out and his eyes were not damaged. How can the torture of one physical person Jesus pay for the countless sins of people in this world?

Moreover, God clearly said that He does not accept human sacrifice.

Moreover, God has already repaid for the death and torture of Jesus - His resurrection on the third day. Jesus gave his life - and He has already received his life back. How does the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ work for us?

It all works very simply. The sacrifice of Jesus, or rather my faith that Jesus is the Messiah sent by God for my salvation, makes me fulfill the commandments of Jesus Christ. It is said that salvation is in Jesus Christ. To abide in Jesus Christ for us means that we must act in life the same way that Jesus Christ would have acted if He were in our place.

That is, we must sacrifice ourselves to God. This is our payment for our future resurrection. Jesus is an example for us here.

The second, and perhaps the most important role of Jesus in the work of our salvation: in the name of Jesus Christ, God gave us the Holy Spirit, the spirit of truth, to support us on our sacrificial Path. We must enter the kingdom of God through many sorrows. And we would not be able to overcome this Path if the Spirit did not support us - with revelations, signs, miracles.

That is, the payment for all the knocked out teeth and gouged out eyes, for all the sins of the world, is Jesus together with His Body, which is the Church.

Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: (Colossians 1:24)

The difference between our sacrifice of ourselves to God and the Sacrifice of Jesus is that we will receive our resurrection not on the third day, but in the third millennium after the Sacrifice of Christ. And this resurrection will be common to all of us, both those who are alive now and those who died before.

The place of resurrection will be the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel. It is impossible for an ordinary person to get there. Because first you need to go the Path of Christ. The elect saints, the "Philadelphia Church" of Revelation, will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple. Jesus Christ will be incarnated in them at the Second Coming, this will be the coming of the Bridegroom. After this, having waited for the 6th vial of wrath, the "five wise virgins" will ascend to the wedding feast of the Lord. Having united in Israel into one people with the natural Jews, this union will manifest itself in the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah and in the distribution of all of us among the tribes of Israel, each Israeli will recognize his tribe (current Israelis, as a rule, do not know their tribes).

Only members of the resurrected tribes of Israel will be allowed into the city of Yahweh Shammah.

We know that Jesus Christ could not perform miracles among unbelievers. Only the elect disciples were able to see Jesus talking with Moses and Elijah - and He commanded that this vision be kept secret. The city of Yahweh Shammah is needed to protect believers from unbelievers. The dead saints will appear to believers, and the believers will be the resurrected tribes of Israel. When we see the dead alive, there is no boundary between death and life. Now death is separation, and many consider it an eternal separation. But when the faithful can return, then the power of death is no longer there: those who see the dead alive do not fear it. This will be only for the Jews. (I do not know how appropriate the word "Jews" is here, because I would use the word "Hebrew", remembering Abraham, in whose footsteps we went into an unknown land, obeying the Holy Spirit).

The first chapters of Genesis are an allegory. What is "water":

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Revelation 17:15)

If this is the definition of "water" in the Bible, why should I think differently about the "water" in Genesis 1:2?

The definition of "light" is also given in the Bible:

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: (Proverbs 6:23)

In Hebrew it is literally written "Torah - or": "Torah - Light" or "Teaching - Light".

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (John 1:9)

The beginning of the Gospel of John retells the first chapter of Genesis in different words.

Further in Genesis it is written that God created the "firmament" and called the firmament "heaven."

Upon the second day thou madest the spirit of the firmament, and commandedst it to part asunder, and to make a division betwixt the waters, that the one part might go up, and the other remain beneath. (2 Esdras 6:41)

It is easy to guess that the firmament is the Holy Spirit, on which those who shine in this world rely.

"The Sun" is the image of the Messiah-king, Christ. "The Moon" is the image of the nominal religion, reflecting the teaching of Christ. About the "stars" it is written:

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Daniel 12:3)

"Earth" in Genesis is a religious world where believers rely not on the Holy Spirit, but on the flesh - apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, where they rely on commandments and religious rules.

"Sea" is an unbelieving world. After the Judgment, the unbelieving world will no longer exist, everyone will become believers:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Revelation 21:1)

"Beasts" are qualities of the soul of people. For example: "lion" - courage, "wolf" - predation, "donkey" - stubbornness, "ox" - hard work, "hare" - cowardice. In the second chapter, Man gave names to these "beasts": words denoting courage, predation, stubbornness, hard work, cowardice appeared in the human language. Man gradually transformed from a savage into a modern type of "Adam".

Among these "animals" there was no quality of the soul that would become an assistant to Man. And from the bone of man ("bone" means "essence" in Hebrew) God created a "wife", a social environment on which Man began to rely in his life.

One day of creation corresponds to a thousand years. The beginning of creation corresponds to the appearance of the first human settlements. On the 6th "day", towards the end of the sixth millennium, the first civilizations began to appear: the Sumerians, Ancient Egypt. Thus God created "Adam", a modern type of civilized man.



For the world hath lost his youth, and the times begin to wax old.
For the world is divided into twelve parts, and the nine* parts of it are gone already, and half of a tenth part:
And there remaineth that which is after the half of the tenth part.
(2 Esdras 14:10-12)
* - Corrected by me, the KJV misspelled "ten".

 

[TheHC]

The sacrifice of Christ works because believers voluntarily offer themselves as a sacrifice to God, acting according to the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-6-7.

Think about it: the principle of God's justice is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. How many teeth did Jesus Christ have so that he could pay for all the teeth knocked out in quarrels? How many eyes did Jesus have so that He could pay for all those blinded by villains? But we know that although Jesus was tortured before the crucifixion, his teeth were not knocked out and his eyes were not damaged. How can the torture of one physical person Jesus pay for the countless sins of people in this world?

Moreover, God clearly said that He does not accept human sacrifice.

Moreover, God has already repaid for the death and torture of Jesus - His resurrection on the third day. Jesus gave his life - and He has already received his life back. How does the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ work for us?

It all works very simply. The sacrifice of Jesus, or rather my faith that Jesus is the Messiah sent by God for my salvation, makes me fulfill the commandments of Jesus Christ. It is said that salvation is in Jesus Christ. To abide in Jesus Christ for us means that we must act in life the same way that Jesus Christ would have acted if He were in our place.

That is, we must sacrifice ourselves to God. This is our payment for our future resurrection. Jesus is an example for us here.

The second, and perhaps the most important role of Jesus in the work of our salvation: in the name of Jesus Christ, God gave us the Holy Spirit, the spirit of truth, to support us on our sacrificial Path. We must enter the kingdom of God through many sorrows. And we would not be able to overcome this Path if the Spirit did not support us - with revelations, signs, miracles.

That is, the payment for all the knocked out teeth and gouged out eyes, for all the sins of the world, is Jesus together with His Body, which is the Church.

Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: (Colossians 1:24)

The difference between our sacrifice of ourselves to God and the Sacrifice of Jesus is that we will receive our resurrection not on the third day, but in the third millennium after the Sacrifice of Christ. And this resurrection will be common to all of us, both those who are alive now and those who died before.

The place of resurrection will be the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel. It is impossible for an ordinary person to get there. Because first you need to go the Path of Christ. The elect saints, the "Philadelphia Church" of Revelation, will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple. Jesus Christ will be incarnated in them at the Second Coming, this will be the coming of the Bridegroom. After this, having waited for the 6th vial of wrath, the "five wise virgins" will ascend to the wedding feast of the Lord. Having united in Israel into one people with the natural Jews, this union will manifest itself in the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah and in the distribution of all of us among the tribes of Israel, each Israeli will recognize his tribe (current Israelis, as a rule, do not know their tribes).

Only members of the resurrected tribes of Israel will be allowed into the city of Yahweh Shammah.

We know that Jesus Christ could not perform miracles among unbelievers. Only the elect disciples were able to see Jesus talking with Moses and Elijah - and He commanded that this vision be kept secret. The city of Yahweh Shammah is needed to protect believers from unbelievers. The dead saints will appear to believers, and the believers will be the resurrected tribes of Israel. When we see the dead alive, there is no boundary between death and life. Now death is separation, and many consider it an eternal separation. But when the faithful can return, then the power of death is no longer there: those who see the dead alive do not fear it. This will be only for the Jews. (I do not know how appropriate the word "Jews" is here, because I would use the word "Hebrew", remembering Abraham, in whose footsteps we went into an unknown land, obeying the Holy Spirit).

The first chapters of Genesis are an allegory. What is "water":

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Revelation 17:15)

If this is the definition of "water" in the Bible, why should I think differently about the "water" in Genesis 1:2?

The definition of "light" is also given in the Bible:

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: (Proverbs 6:23)

In Hebrew it is literally written "Torah - or": "Torah - Light" or "Teaching - Light".

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (John 1:9)

The beginning of the Gospel of John retells the first chapter of Genesis in different words.

Further in Genesis it is written that God created the "firmament" and called the firmament "heaven."

Upon the second day thou madest the spirit of the firmament, and commandedst it to part asunder, and to make a division betwixt the waters, that the one part might go up, and the other remain beneath. (2 Esdras 6:41)

It is easy to guess that the firmament is the Holy Spirit, on which those who shine in this world rely.

"The Sun" is the image of the Messiah-king, Christ. "The Moon" is the image of the nominal religion, reflecting the teaching of Christ. About the "stars" it is written:

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Daniel 12:3)

"Earth" in Genesis is a religious world where believers rely not on the Holy Spirit, but on the flesh - apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, where they rely on commandments and religious rules.

"Sea" is an unbelieving world. After the Judgment, the unbelieving world will no longer exist, everyone will become believers:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Revelation 21:1)

"Beasts" are qualities of the soul of people. For example: "lion" - courage, "wolf" - predation, "donkey" - stubbornness, "ox" - hard work, "hare" - cowardice. In the second chapter, Man gave names to these "beasts": words denoting courage, predation, stubbornness, hard work, cowardice appeared in the human language. Man gradually transformed from a savage into a modern type of "Adam".

Among these "animals" there was no quality of the soul that would become an assistant to Man. And from the bone of man ("bone" means "essence" in Hebrew) God created a "wife", a social environment on which Man began to rely in his life.

One day of creation corresponds to a thousand years. The beginning of creation corresponds to the appearance of the first human settlements. On the 6th "day", towards the end of the sixth millennium, the first civilizations began to appear: the Sumerians, Ancient Egypt. Thus God created "Adam", a modern type of civilized man.

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For the world hath lost his youth, and the times begin to wax old.
For the world is divided into twelve parts, and the nine* parts of it are gone already, and half of a tenth part:
And there remaineth that which is after the half of the tenth part.
(2 Esdras 14:10-12)
* - Corrected by me, the KJV misspelled "ten".

I’m sorry, but none of this answers those questions I asked.

You were close, when you started out, saying that God’s justice requires an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
But then you veered away from it.

1 Corinthians 15:45… Jesus is referred to here as the “last Adam”. Jesus was/is a real person. So “the first man Adam” was real.

Do you believe the genealogy of Jesus @ Luke 3 is fake? If one person in the list didn’t exist, then all of it is fantasy.

What does Matthew 20:28 mean? And how does it tie in with Romans 5:12?

These last questions are rhetorical questions. I don’t plan on pursuing this, since it’s off topic.