If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

[ScottA]

So you’re just another one who confuses his interpretation with the words of God himself…… I’ll be honest…. I already knew you that silly. Arrogance and Ignorance never goes very well hand in hand.

Can you explain to me what it means for someone to interpret a Bible verse and then explain to me how you draw conclusion, without interpreting it?

You continuing in your assumptions accuse me, then you ask for what you do not know, projecting your own ignorance and arrogance upon me. See how you are?

Meanwhile, my knowledge is from God. Why do you continue to assume I have only interpreted what is written?

 

[Skovand]

Andersonville Theological Seminary, through correspondence

While they may have had some great stuff, there is a chance that college was denied accreditation through US Department of Education or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation. That often happens because they fail to meet the standard of the education system. Many of these places are more of a HOAX recognized just by a very few other colleges but their history, science and literary courses are not often transferable which is why you’ll find random bizarre ideas at them. They can be great for a very basic plain text reading or Bible trivia but are mostly ignored by community colleges and universities.

 

[ScottA]

Myth is just a genre when you’re discussing literary styles. It’s like saying Jesus never used parables because you want it to be literal.

A myth accusation against the word of God, is more than a literary statement.

 

[Skovand]

You continuing in your assumptions accuse me, then you ask for what you do not know, projecting your own ignorance and arrogance upon me. See how you are?

Meanwhile, my knowledge is from God. Why do you continue to assume I have only interpreted what is written?

Ok. Then same for me. It was God who lead me and blessed me with wisdom on high to understand contextual analysis and apply it to biblical hermeneutics. The Holy Spirit lead me to this interpretation and told me yours was satanic.

 

[Skovand]

A myth accusation against the word of God, is more than a literary statement.

Again. I know this is a big word for you. Myth. I know you’re flabbergasted and lost in the sauce. So I’ll try one more time.

Myth is a genre of storytelling. Myth is nothing to do with truth or lies. It’s not an insult or a compliment. It’s a style of presenting a story just like a poem, a novel, a short story, or a myth.

myth

1. an ancient story or set of stories, especially explaining the early history…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Maybe God should guide you to a literary mentor. Many middle schools and high schools often adult classes.

 

[RLT63]

While they may have had some great stuff, there is a chance that college was denied accreditation through US Department of Education or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation. That often happens because they fail to meet the standard of the education system. Many of these places are more of a HOAX recognized just by a very few other colleges but their history, science and literary courses are not often transferable which is why you’ll find random bizarre ideas at them. They can be great for a very basic plain text reading or Bible trivia but are mostly ignored by community colleges and universities.

Andersonville Seminary - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.m.wikipedia.org

 

[quietthinker]

Strong delusion ensures you are 'right'!

 

[Skovand]

Andersonville Seminary - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.m.wikipedia.org

Yes. That’s part of what I was referring too. Accreditation through a privatized non government organization. So the credits counts towards several others, and I’m sure churches will like it, but it won’t be transferable to most colleges. Which does not mean anything really that negative unless you wanted to transfer to an accredited college. Though many colleges will still accept partial credits.

Here are some of the red flags from their wiki page.

“It is important to note that these degrees do not fulfill licensing requirements in any state, although individuals may be permitted to fulfill their responsibilities under a religious exemption.”

“ATS does not feature in national or global rankings of colleges and universities because it is an independent seminary with a distinct classification.”

 

[Skovand]

Andersonville Seminary - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.m.wikipedia.org

One good thing though is that regardless of accreditation, learning is learning and most Christians don’t even finish reading the Bible. So by going though whatever survey program they have, even if it’s missing critical analysis, it’s still highlighting a lot of stuff. Now, this stuff is not going to be considered scholarship, but it is a strong surveying of the Bible.

You seem far more open to hearing out a wide range of beliefs which is something many here lack. In USA we have two great free to us apps through the public library system.
Hoopla Digital and Libby. Just need a public library card. Alabama’s booklist may be different from yours, if you’re in GA. I don’t remember. But they should have roughly the same catalog and thst should include dozens and dozens of audiobooks and ebooks by scholars and theologians.

What I do is try to read a wide range of views. I try to find men and women, people of all races, nationalities and ethnicities who are believers, and nonbelievers, who are biblical scholars. Take the subject of hell and the after life. Look up work on different views like eternal conscious torment, universalism, and conditional immortality. Even try to dig into second temple Judaism writings by Sadducees and Pharisees. See how the Dead Sea scrolls, Masoretic and Septuagint all translate the words and relevant verses. Be ok with spending a whole year just on one subject. Always keep a revolving door to your work so that you don’t find yourself stuck in one lane of thought without being aware of the arguments for others .

 

[quietthinker]

One good thing though is that regardless of accreditation, learning is learning and most Christians don’t even finish reading the Bible. So by going though whatever survey program they have, even if it’s missing critical analysis, it’s still highlighting a lot of stuff. Now, this stuff is not going to be considered scholarship, but it is a strong surveying of the Bible.

You seem far more open to hearing out a wide range of beliefs which is something many here lack. In USA we have two great free to us apps through the public library system.
Hoopla Digital and Libby. Just need a public library card. Alabama’s booklist may be different from yours, if you’re in GA. I don’t remember. But they should have roughly the same catalog and thst should include dozens and dozens of audiobooks and ebooks by scholars and theologians.

What I do is try to read a wide range of views. I try to find men and women, people of all races, nationalities and ethnicities who are believers, and nonbelievers, who are biblical scholars. Take the subject of hell and the after life. Look up work on different views like eternal conscious torment, universalism, and conditional immortality. Even try to dig into second temple Judaism writings by Sadducees and Pharisees. See how the Dead Sea scrolls, Masoretic and Septuagint all translate the words and relevant verses. Be ok with spending a whole year just on one subject. Always keep a revolving door to your work so that you don’t find yourself stuck in one lane of thought without being aware of the arguments for others .

Overtly advertising broadmindedness is nothing short of ego stroking.

 

[amigo de christo]

You continuing in your assumptions accuse me, then you ask for what you do not know, projecting your own ignorance and arrogance upon me. See how you are?

Meanwhile, my knowledge is from God. Why do you continue to assume I have only interpreted what is written?

i feel its time you need to know something . the man you are debating with , supported a fourteen year old girl
that got a double maschtomy cause she wanted to be a boy . SO how on earth DO YOU really think
he gonna grasp things in the bible friend . many love to see what they only want to see . lambs loveth TRUTH .

 

[Skovand]

Overtly advertising broadmindedness is nothing short of ego stroking.

Or it’s just complimenting people with the emotional intelligence and cognitive processing to be open to data, instead of following data-less traditions. It’s highlighting the important of being aware of those who say “ experts are fools, data is fake, learning is dangerous and I am feed wisdom by god himself.”

 

[RLT63]

Yes. That’s part of what I was referring too. Accreditation through a privatized non government organization. So the credits counts towards several others, and I’m sure churches will like it, but it won’t be transferable to most colleges. Which does not mean anything really that negative unless you wanted to transfer to an accredited college. Though many colleges will still accept partial credits.

Here are some of the red flags from their wiki page.

“It is important to note that these degrees do not fulfill licensing requirements in any state, although individuals may be permitted to fulfill their responsibilities under a religious exemption.”

“ATS does not feature in national or global rankings of colleges and universities because it is an independent seminary with a distinct classification.”

I was a youth pastor and I filled in for pastors when they needed to be off, was an interim pastor for a while while I was a youth pastor. I didn't have to have a degree.
It was sufficient for what I was doing

 

[RLT63]

One good thing though is that regardless of accreditation, learning is learning and most Christians don’t even finish reading the Bible. So by going though whatever survey program they have, even if it’s missing critical analysis, it’s still highlighting a lot of stuff. Now, this stuff is not going to be considered scholarship, but it is a strong surveying of the Bible.

You seem far more open to hearing out a wide range of beliefs which is something many here lack. In USA we have two great free to us apps through the public library system.
Hoopla Digital and Libby. Just need a public library card. Alabama’s booklist may be different from yours, if you’re in GA. I don’t remember. But they should have roughly the same catalog and thst should include dozens and dozens of audiobooks and ebooks by scholars and theologians.

What I do is try to read a wide range of views. I try to find men and women, people of all races, nationalities and ethnicities who are believers, and nonbelievers, who are biblical scholars. Take the subject of hell and the after life. Look up work on different views like eternal conscious torment, universalism, and conditional immortality. Even try to dig into second temple Judaism writings by Sadducees and Pharisees. See how the Dead Sea scrolls, Masoretic and Septuagint all translate the words and relevant verses. Be ok with spending a whole year just on one subject. Always keep a revolving door to your work so that you don’t find yourself stuck in one lane of thought without being aware of the arguments for others .

I'm in Alabama. Andersonville is in Georgia.

 

[RLT63]

One good thing though is that regardless of accreditation, learning is learning and most Christians don’t even finish reading the Bible. So by going though whatever survey program they have, even if it’s missing critical analysis, it’s still highlighting a lot of stuff. Now, this stuff is not going to be considered scholarship, but it is a strong surveying of the Bible.

You seem far more open to hearing out a wide range of beliefs which is something many here lack. In USA we have two great free to us apps through the public library system.
Hoopla Digital and Libby. Just need a public library card. Alabama’s booklist may be different from yours, if you’re in GA. I don’t remember. But they should have roughly the same catalog and thst should include dozens and dozens of audiobooks and ebooks by scholars and theologians.

What I do is try to read a wide range of views. I try to find men and women, people of all races, nationalities and ethnicities who are believers, and nonbelievers, who are biblical scholars. Take the subject of hell and the after life. Look up work on different views like eternal conscious torment, universalism, and conditional immortality. Even try to dig into second temple Judaism writings by Sadducees and Pharisees. See how the Dead Sea scrolls, Masoretic and Septuagint all translate the words and relevant verses. Be ok with spending a whole year just on one subject. Always keep a revolving door to your work so that you don’t find yourself stuck in one lane of thought without being aware of the arguments for others .

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that he was born of a virgin birth, that he died for my sins and he rose again on the 3rd day. He is my Savior and my faith is in him.
Other aspects of Christianity people have different beliefs about and I no longer think that my beliefs are the only possibility

 

[RLT63]

One good thing though is that regardless of accreditation, learning is learning and most Christians don’t even finish reading the Bible. So by going though whatever survey program they have, even if it’s missing critical analysis, it’s still highlighting a lot of stuff. Now, this stuff is not going to be considered scholarship, but it is a strong surveying of the Bible.

You seem far more open to hearing out a wide range of beliefs which is something many here lack. In USA we have two great free to us apps through the public library system.
Hoopla Digital and Libby. Just need a public library card. Alabama’s booklist may be different from yours, if you’re in GA. I don’t remember. But they should have roughly the same catalog and thst should include dozens and dozens of audiobooks and ebooks by scholars and theologians.

What I do is try to read a wide range of views. I try to find men and women, people of all races, nationalities and ethnicities who are believers, and nonbelievers, who are biblical scholars. Take the subject of hell and the after life. Look up work on different views like eternal conscious torment, universalism, and conditional immortality. Even try to dig into second temple Judaism writings by Sadducees and Pharisees. See how the Dead Sea scrolls, Masoretic and Septuagint all translate the words and relevant verses. Be ok with spending a whole year just on one subject. Always keep a revolving door to your work so that you don’t find yourself stuck in one lane of thought without being aware of the arguments for others .

I used to commute to work over an hour both ways and I listened to sermons on CD and I had Bible commentary by Chuck Missler. He took the Bible literally but he was a rocket scientist so some of his takes on Genesis were really interesting.
I remember him saying that the universe expanded at 10 to the 14th power and if you took the age of the universe and divided by 10 to the 14th power you would get 6 days

 

[ScottA]

Ok. Then same for me. It was God who lead me and blessed me with wisdom on high to understand contextual analysis and apply it to biblical hermeneutics. The Holy Spirit lead me to this interpretation and told me yours was satanic.

For the record then. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[ScottA]

Again. I know this is a big word for you. Myth. I know you’re flabbergasted and lost in the sauce. So I’ll try one more time.

Myth is a genre of storytelling. Myth is nothing to do with truth or lies. It’s not an insult or a compliment. It’s a style of presenting a story just like a poem, a novel, a short story, or a myth.

myth

1. an ancient story or set of stories, especially explaining the early history…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Maybe God should guide you to a literary mentor. Many middle schools and high schools often adult classes.

Again.

 

[TheHC]

It’s not ignored.

Yes, the very first line of evidence I posted regarding the freshwater Permafrost and the vast numbers of megafauna encased deep within it … how those animals got to be trapped in that position , many of which were found well-preserved…. Yes, it is ignored.
Because there’s no natural explanation available for the scope of that evidence.

Which is why you can’t pick one, and then we go through it for a few posts. Pick any one of those silly ideas, post it in your own words, and let’s examine the scientific literature

I just did…

It’s shameful that you have to resort to ad homs, labeling the evidence as “silly ideas”.


I’ll repeat what I said earlier:

“You can’t look at the Flood through a naturalistic lens. (Otherwise, you’d expect Earth’s vegetation to be ruined…. It wasn’t.)
It was a supernatural event, as the Bible clearly describes.

Is that “pulling the God / Magic card”? No, I don’t think so. It’s just that we need to look at the evidence we do see.
Some of the evidence we observe, just can’t be interpreted any other feasible way, or caused by any other known source.”

 

[quietthinker]

If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?​

Noah woke up one morning after a very unusual encounter that night, called his family together and said to his boys, I think we need a new project and I've got just the thing in mind. Ever heard of a boat? he asked. They kinda looked a bit glazed but once he had explained the concept and why, they got pretty enthusiastic. The old man musta had some cred otherwise the boys wouldn't have partied. Now these guys weren't whimps, I must add; several axe handles across the shoulders and legs like ancient oaks was a bleedin' necessity if they were gonna get this thing happening. So they got to; choppin' and hauling' and who knows, probably singing to their hearts content while old man Noah kept the curious onlookers which turned up daily informed, even extending an invite.
The old man's nuts they laughed; we've never seen water falling outta the sky, it must be those oversized grapes he planted some years back, given him hallucinations they have!

As things happened, an undersized Queen Mary was taking shape, Noah continued his appeals but nobody took him seriously except his spouse, his boys and their wives. This work of art they were putting together sported several floors including a penthouse and lookin' good.

The work was completed, although it did take a few years to get there when Noah puts his hand to his weathered brow, squinting as he surveyed the forest edge which by now had been trimmed back considerably on account of the construction. Ham! he yells to his nearest boy, do you see what I see?.... and blow me down, all sorts of animals are marching in and converging on the boat. There were cats and rats and elephants (ohhh, just wait till I get the tune right) ah yes, and sure as you're born he couldn't really see a unicorn! (I hope the Irish give me a point for that)
The locals were there as well, gawking like you've never seen, but no, they wouldn't join the marching throng.

In they all went, all except the locals till finally the door was shut. Some days went by but the jeering from outside never abated. Noah watched from the penthouse, all that the side splitting laughter and hooting went well into the night.

Finally, after settling in for some days and getting the animals accomodation sorted, dark clouds began to gather. First there were just sprinkles but it didn't take long and the heavens literally opened with water like had never been experienced, turning the revellers into grovellers begging to be let in.

The door was shut and sealed, so getting anyone in at this late stage an impossibility. It was not only the heavens from which the water came but also from the depths of the Earth. Huge forceful geysers burst through the Earths crust dislodging mountain chains in the process. (we have the visible evidence of horizontal layers turned vertical in the Earths crust all over the World today)

The waters rose and rose and rose till the big boat floated way above the highest peaks and every living thing perished save those in the boat.

Thank you for persevering with my rendition of, 'how did Noah’s Ark happen?