If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

[Skovand]

Don't be ridiculous. Are you a pure naturalist?
You don't think God who makes such a decision would not make certain it all happens as He has said? He watches over His word to perform it.

So the opposite of Deism is not Theism where God intervenes in everything. Theism can also mean God interacts with humanity through the Holy Spirit. I don’t personally believe god makes anything happen. I think it’s all choices we make.

But that still is not an answer to my question. What do you mean by the flood is supernatural? Like where do you think the water came from and how much of it? Was it enough for 1 mile of land? Or did it cover even the tallest mountains which were around 5 miles tall. Was it all in the sky? Was it 50% in the sky? 2.5 miles of water in the forms of clouds or ice like rings? Did 2.5 come from underground? From how far? Was it magically made in a bowl that angels poured out?

 

[talons]

Well I have faith that God is real, but I highly doubt the Noah story was meant to be read literally. The Bible does not support a literalist reading of it and the scientific evidence does not support it either.

Jesus seems to give it literalist reading . You do trust Jesus don't you .

Luke 17:27 Context​

24For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Skovand]

Jesus seems to give it literalist reading . You do trust Jesus don't you .

Luke 17:27 Context​

24For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I don’t think Jesus is giving a literalist reading at all. I think he’s giving a hyperlink back to an ancient Jewish story to make a point, and I think the point is being made from a story that is fictional.

 

[talons]

I don’t think Jesus is giving a literalist reading at all. I think he’s giving a hyperlink back to an ancient Jewish story to make a point, and I think the point is being made from a story that is fictional.

Do you think it is two fictional stories together then ? Jesus did say Likewise .

28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ScottA]

How did Noah’s Ark actually happen? Does anyone else think that seems a little far fetched? I’m just asking what other people opinion is on this? Also, why does the bible constantly contradict itself.

There are no contradictions in the word of God, only misunderstandings.

As for Noah's Ark, God has said that before a matter springs forth, He tells us of it (Isaiah 42:9). In many cases, that means showing us, or making a spiritual (unseen) matter manifest physically that it may be seen. But don't let your imagination and human logic get the best of you, what would seem impossible is indeed possible with God.

Also, consider that even regarding Jesus, He came to a small part of the world and His story only touched the lives of a relatively small number of people during the whole account of His going to the cross and rising from the dead. But the greater scope of that smaller event has no bounds, not even by death and those who had died before or after His coming. In other words, Noah's Ark could have been small, and the world small--but still pertained to every creature and all the world. Even so, what is the evidence--is it not world-wide? It is.

But let me give you a little insight--the world is not what it seems. To the contrary of what many assume to be true, the world and all of creation exists within the mind of God...and is only made manifest therein to those to whom it is revealed according to His purpose. In His reality, the world is a non-place creation where everything everyone ever believed is made manifest--all within the mind of God. All of which is evidence for or against us all, before the Judgement. Then comes the end. In other words, if one believes the stories of the bible and that the earth is but thousands of years old, or whether one believes there is no God and the earth is millions or billions of years old--it is--because God has made it manifest according to belief and also unbelief.

 

[Skovand]

Do you think it is two fictional stories together then ? Jesus did say Likewise .

28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Yes. The story of Sodom is takes Abraham himself probably did not exist. Moses was a character based off of an Egyptian story. Most of the OT is mythicized history or hyperbolic and probably a decent chunk of the New Testament as well. Like the story of Jesus walking on water. Probably fiction.

 

[Debp]

Yes. The story of Sodom is takes Abraham himself probably did not exist. Moses was a character based off of an Egyptian story. Most of the OT is mythicized history or hyperbolic and probably a decent chunk of the New Testament as well. Like the story of Jesus walking on water. Probably fiction.

Wow, I cannot believe you just said that. So you don't even think Jesus could perform miracles?! Jesus Christ is able to do anything....He was divine as well as human. And God is all powerful, all knowing, omnipresent....able to do anything.

 

[ScottA]

Yes. The story of Sodom is takes Abraham himself probably did not exist. Moses was a character based off of an Egyptian story. Most of the OT is mythicized history or hyperbolic and probably a decent chunk of the New Testament as well. Like the story of Jesus walking on water. Probably fiction.

And by what means did you come by these unbiblical assertions?

 

[amigo de christo]

Noah's Ark - 100% FACTUAL

How did it happen???

God told Noah to build the Ark - that's how it happened!

Every WORD of GOD BE TRUE . men trust in science , men trust in their own minds
But we trust IN GOD and thus we BELIEVE HIS EVERY WORD . Sound it out to the last breath my friend .

 

[Debp]

Every WORD of GOD BE TRUE . men trust in science , men trust in their own minds
But we trust IN GOD and thus we BELIEVE HIS EVERY WORD . Sound it out to the last breath my friend .

And in some cases, science even backs up the Word of God.

Plus think of the intricate workings of each cell in our body to have everything work together in a certain way.

 

[amigo de christo]

Losers


Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
5For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
7But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

And just as there were false prophets amongst the people
so too shall be false teachers amongst you , who privily shall bring in damnable heresays
by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of ...
many shall follow their pernscious ways . its only increasing big time my friend .
And as inquity abounds , As JESUS said it would , as the love of many waxes ice cold ,
Many have linked hand in hand under the lie that will unite them and lead them to DESTRUCTION .
yet they believe the lie will usher upon the middle east and the world , PEACE n safety .
For when they shall say peace n safety , SUDDEN destruction cometh upon them all and they will not escape .
Stand firm to the end my friend . Till the last breath ebbs out those lungs , we count the cost
and see all loss as only gain for CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

And in some cases, science even backs up the Word of God.

Plus think of the intricate workings of each cell in our body to have everything work together in a certain way.

You ready for story time my friend . I once worked with a young man years and years ago .
He had a love for carnal wisdom . I told him there are things easily seen that can prove the existance of GOD
and that we cannot get ALL that is from nothingness . That LIFE cannot come from NON LIFE
and that there is an intelligent creator that set all things in motion , that created all things .
Man he shot up with boldness and happily said
I was incorrect . because scientists already set in motion and created something out of nothing . I think he was talking
about dark matter and something .
But anyway . I was like friend you just proved MY entier point .
WHO did you say created this . man did and man is an intelligent being . Hims was scratching his head a bit on that one .

 

[Skovand]

And by what means did you come by these unbiblical assertions?

So you’re saying unbiblical, but what you mean is how did I come to a different interpretation of the Bible than you? Is that what you mean? Why do I disagree with your personal interpretation of the Bible?

 

[RLT63]

I guess it depends on what you think precipitated God sending a huge volume of water to engulf the earth in the first place?

What was the situation that caused God to do what he did? Rebel angels (sons of God) had materialized human flesh and taken women for the pleasure that only creatures of flesh can experience. They produced a hybrid race of monstrous humans….violent in nature and immoral in their conduct….“the Nephilim” (meaning ones who cause others to fall)……God had to put a stop to this increasing wickedness and flooding the world was the only way to deal with the situation.

All wicked humans, including “the Nephilim”, were wiped out along with all land dwelling creatures. Creatures that lived in the sea were not affected. Only land dwellers were brought into the ark for preservation. God chose the specimens and and brought them to Noah.

In the creation account, the earth was at first covered in water and God separated the land from the water by lowing the sea levels, which are incredibly deep in some areas.….and raising up the land masses to above sea level, was not difficult for the Creator…..neither was using the water previously on earth to again flood the world later on. It came in large measure from water above the earth’s atmosphere, which is described in Genesis as a separating of the waters below, from the waters above the earth. (2 Peter 3:5-6)
There are huge aquifers below the earth’s surface as well, holding huge volumes of water. The Bible says that these too were used in the flood. (Gen 7:11)

Do we wonder where all that water went? The water canopy above the earth would have provided a relatively uniform climate, moist and perfect for the growth of all that God created to live here.
The seasons would not have been as pronounced as they became after the flood.

Removing the water canopy, would have created a drastic change in earth’s climate, and the temperature at the equator would have increased, whilst at the poles, it would have become frozen….we also know that the poles are magnetic and so it is reasonable to conclude that water responded to that magnetic pull (as the moon affects the tides) and snap froze all that water in place……isn’t this why any increase in earth’s temperature would cause the ice caps to melt, again flooding the earth?

When God gave Noah his instructions and the warning about what he was going to do, Noah was without children, but he had three married sons by the time construction was under way, so he was provided with a “blueprint” of every last detail of its construction…materials, measurements, waterproofing, three levels, and the gathering of provisions for his family of now 8…as well as food supplies for all the animal specimens that God brought to Noah before he boarded the ark himself.
It was a lengthy project, not something that happened in a few months…..this perhaps took decades.

What do you find hard to understand that cannot be logically explained, using other Scripture and what we now know about the properties of water….? One of the most miraculous substances on the planet.

For someone who is not a believer think of how this sounds. Angels having sex with women, giants, a person being able to build a boat that size with no modern tools. How long did it take to build the ark? What kept the wood from rotting while it was being built? The logistics are impossible, and science tells us there’s no evidence of a global flood.
I’m a believer and I’m not sure if the story is literal. Think how it must be for someone who is skeptical

 

[quietthinker]

If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?​

God spoke to Noah telling him of a disaster about to unfold. In his desire to rescue whosoever will he instructed Noah to build a big boat and tell the people to get in. I guess boats weren't in vogue those days and vogue was important to them while image was paramount, so they didn't get in the boat .....and a kinda wet disaster unfolded.

What suckers they were knocking back a penthouse suite with Noah and brown duck for company. I guess they couldn't come at helping to muck out after the elephants. Such entitlement and self sufficiency!

 

[Debp]

For someone who is not a believer think of how this sounds. Angels having sex with women, giants, a person being able to build a boat that size with no modern tools. How long did it take to build the ark? What kept the wood from rotting while it was being built? The logistics are impossible, and science tells us there’s no evidence of a global flood.
I’m a believer and I’m not sure if the story is literal. Think how it must be for someone who is skeptical

This is brief.

 

[ScottA]

So you’re saying unbiblical, but what you mean is how did I come to a different interpretation of the Bible than you? Is that what you mean? Why do I disagree with your personal interpretation of the Bible?

"Unbiblical" was my assertion. I was asking about yours.

 

[ScottA]

For someone who is not a believer think of how this sounds. Angels having sex with women, giants, a person being able to build a boat that size with no modern tools. How long did it take to build the ark? What kept the wood from rotting while it was being built? The logistics are impossible, and science tells us there’s no evidence of a global flood.
I’m a believer and I’m not sure if the story is literal. Think how it must be for someone who is skeptical

That is what failed belief looks and sounds like.

For your information, you are looking at it all wrong. That is not what or how the world works. On the contrary, the world is everything everyone ever believed made manifest as evidence for or against us all before the Judgement. Then comes the end.

 

[Aunty Jane]

For someone who is not a believer think of how this sounds. Angels having sex with women, giants, a person being able to build a boat that size with no modern tools. How long did it take to build the ark? What kept the wood from rotting while it was being built? The logistics are impossible, and science tells us there’s no evidence of a global flood.
I’m a believer and I’m not sure if the story is literal. Think how it must be for someone who is skeptical

Jesus used “the days of Noah” as an example of what we could expect concerning human behavior in the time of his return. (Matt 24:37-39) If Jesus believed it……I believe it.

God does not depend on human beliefs to carry out his own will….The flood was a reset, because the angelic sons of God having relations with human women, produced a hybrid race of freakish humans, who were extremely violent and immoral.
Does God lie? There is plenty of evidence for the flood as well as the fact that it is attested to in many cultures around the world, who all have their flood legends. These cultures did not invent the story because the Bible itself explains how it spread when God confused the language of the people who were building a false religious tower at Babel. Those language groups who could understand one another spread out into the world, taking the flood story with them.

All humans who exist today are descendants of Noah.

 

[Skovand]

"Unbiblical" was my assertion. I was asking about yours.

I understand what you are asking. What I was doing was highlighting why I can’t answer your question. It’s a bad faith question. It’s a crappy question.

I think your position is unbiblical. I think your position is the one not found in the Bible. I think you are the one who is not reading the Bible correctly.

So how did you come to your unbiblical conclusion?

Or you can be mature and ask it the right way.

You can ask me how did I come to my interpretation of the Bible as opposed to your interpretation of the bible. If youre snarky and ask with that adjective though then thats how I am also going to respond.