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then you need a diff term, other than AT wadr, bc AT is about what you can demonstrate, the fruit is all that matters there.
i agree, yet we do this all the time nonetheless, very similar to your assumptions at Absolute Truth in fact. Everyone does this, bc we have to; we all make assumptions, thousands a day prolly, and the joke about them is strictly cute tv, at least in that context, the general one. We have expectations too, and generally speaking we define God by them...which is why i asked about your expectations.
Bc obviously if we differ @ AT we will differ @ God too, right, i mean AT is defined and we are not agreeing on what it means lol.
But the fruit can easily be defined, right
so, i don't wanna put too fine a point on that, you can avoid the Q entirely or answer it for yourself,
but imo just remember that Free Beer Tomorrow is a joke ok
i mean you might note that you are reluctant to confess what you should be the most proud of here, seems like anyway? Verifying that you cannot define God is great though, don't get me wrong. Only now the rest of Determinism has no thread to hang from, see. And insisting upon a bad def of AT is just a symptom, wadr.
i mean, if your beliefs are ATs then mine are too, right? :)
no one knows where they go when they die
all go to the same place
you and your sons will be here with me
no one has ever gone up to heaven except He Who came down from it
etc
Again you seem to wander off into areas that make little to no sense. "free beer tomorrow"? Joke or not, I have no idea what you are talking about. But I suppose that matters little.
You seem to be focusing on the fact that AT is only what you demonstrate or prove. Which, I get in a way, but I'm asking you to take a step back. God gives us the bible. And in the bible he reveals himself to us. And he tells us that we can also know him through his creation. We can 'see' him and know him. The certainty of this becomes more than just 'belief'...it becomes a foundational truth for us, a truth we build everything else on.
I'm sorry...either you made zero sense then, or you're making zero sense now. Why can't you ever just say something plainly?i agree, i was not doing that; that was not the standard. The standard was Absolute Truth. (Which btw God can still fit as long as the definition is "unknown," in a neat little trick even Atheists have a hard time disagreeing with--i'll see if i can dig it up) but anyway, this is why i invoked the fruit, you will know them by their fruit.
hence a statement of the expected payoff will be an approximation of the knowledge of God
First you say that "So my reply to your Q "Does God exist?" i could pretty confidently say "no," if for no other reason than that you have not defined God."
Now you say that you agree with me that 'God can exist without our needing to define him' but we have to have our fruit known? That it all depends on our fruit, that you're invoking "the fruit"....??!!
So...that which the bible tells us about God..basically what God reveals to us about himself...is no better than a grilled cheese sandwich.hopefully we have at least realized the issue there; he can embrace it and accept it better as a grilled cheese sandwich than an AT.
We are clear on that now, i hope. AT is defined, and that is not it.
Got it.
Beliefs that cannot be proven cannot be Absolute Truths, right?
Now they can be convictions, you should def be convicted imo, but as we might see i guess we differ there too
actually that was your God, you were asking me if i believed in your God, what you are about to do below there, once again; having rejected my definition, see. How 'bout we discuss that one? :)
lots of gods, different classes of gods even, all acknowledged by God.
The same One Who wrote "No Son of Man may die for another's sins?"
you don't think you have a definition of God, Naomi? Expectations of God?
I should definitely be convicted. But convicted of what? Convicted of a cheese sandwich? Convicted of something that only has a 40% chance of being true?
Or does the bible lead us to conclude that we can, with conviction, believe in God's existence, with 100% certainty? That we can base our life, all our other 'beliefs' upon that certainty? Hmmm? Or do you think the bible is back to cheese sandwich status when it comes to God...?
And no..lots of demons, masquerading as gods, perhaps. If you truly think there are many gods out there, then you don't, actually, believe the bible at all, and why are we even talking?
Verses I have given you before and you've ignored, so I wonder why a second time might lead me somewhere new?ok, we'll see if you are in fact convicted of your belief next if you like;
but you aren't gonna like, ok.
Yes, you need to make up fantasies, and help God with His promises, just like the rest of us i guess
the verses that you have not bothered to list, i notice, while skipping over the ones i posted, tra-la. Ok, what vv Naomi.
Just apply them all to after the light dawns, as opposed to before or whatever.
Move heaven from after you have physically died to after you have died to self, daily.
or i mean bam post a v and let's see;
and then i get to post one, k? and you have to explain your position on it
i am happy to keep coming back here until the fact that you do not get to arbitrate the definitions becomes clear, Naomi, but understand that if you are not convicted already this is going to knock out one of your three legs, ok, expose its absence or whatever. seeing how you might have been convinced without being convicted is not a pleasant thing, alright. I say 'might have' bc you decline to respond at my definition of God there, so that i might know, and pls note that i am responding unequivocally to yours.
God never promised you Death, More Abundantly, like everyone is obsessed with, and Scripture makes it plain, more than plain, that you are not promised anything after you physically die, unless you choose to deliberately misunderstand
the dead know nothing
Samuel was brought up from the earth
13The king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a god coming up out of the earth.”
If I have time today I might put together a list of verses that talk about life after death.