How do conservative evangelicals reconcile their support for Trump with Trump’s sinful lifestyle?

[Ziggy]

My reason for creating this thread wasn’t to cast stones at Donald Trump’s unrepentant immorality. It was to ask how so many conservative Christians can support him when he character, conduct, and morals are nothing Christ-like.

By the way, it isn’t wrong to criticize a politician’s immorality. Another reprehensible thing Trump did was call for banning Muslims from our country. He couched it as a way to prevent terrorism, but obviously he wanted to keep brown people out of America. It is wrong to scapegoat an entire group of people, falsely indict them as terrorists, and tell them they aren’t welcome here in the US; and he did it to play on people’s fears and court right-wing votes. You argued that because God forgives my past sins that I can’t criticize Trump’s sins against Muslims (and from what I know, Trump never recanted the Muslim travel ban idea). How does that make any sense?

Again thats a fake narrative.
Trump did call for a ban on countries that were considered dangerous and not all of them were muslim or brown people.
Radical Islamic Terrorists. Kind of like Hammas who attacked Israel and even now are in a war. And they are coming in to our country through the southern border with welcome arms.


You should listen to what he said and not what the media tells you to hear.

Hugs

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

to ask how so many conservative Christians can support him when he character, conduct, and morals are nothing Christ-like.

Because there is NO other alternative other than voting for baby killing sex perverts! (liberals)

The only other option is for Christians to not vote at all which is a good option since there are no fair and free elections in the US anymore, and it's hard to vote for any of the repubs with a clear conscience.
On election day, we may as well stay home and watch scooby scooby doo cartoons!

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

My reason for creating this thread wasn’t to cast stones at Donald Trump’s unrepentant immorality. It was to ask how so many conservative Christians can support him when he character, conduct, and morals are nothing Christ-like.

And are your morals always Christ-like. Mine are not... I falter more often then I should.

By the way, it isn’t wrong to criticize a politician’s immorality. Another reprehensible thing Trump did was call for banning Muslims from our country. He couched it as a way to prevent terrorism, but obviously he wanted to keep brown people out of America. It is wrong to scapegoat an entire group of people, falsely indict them as terrorists, and tell them they aren’t welcome here in the US; and he did it to play on people’s fears and court right-wing votes. You argued that because God forgives my past sins that I can’t criticize Trump’s sins against Muslims (and from what I know, Trump never recanted the Muslim travel ban idea). How does that make any sense?

 

[TLHKAJ]

And are your morals always Christ-like. Mine are not... I falter more often then I should.

Have you admitted your need for the Savior? Have you repented and asked forgiveness for your sins? (I can say that I have ....I need my Savior.)

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Have you admitted your need for the Savior? Have you repented and asked forgiveness for your sins? (I can say that I have ....I need my Savior.)

Do you remember in 2015 when the Evangelical pastors took Trump under their wing
and after a while one said to another who was interviewed on FOX that Trump did become
born again as that one helped him.

WHAT??? You don't remember that. Well it happened.

You cannot possibly know Trumps relationship[ with Jesus. I will not doubt nor will I question an ordained man of the cloth.

Yes, I too need Christ Jesus.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Do you remember in 2015 when the Evangelical pastors took Trump under their wing
and after a while one said to another who was interviewed on FOX that Trump did become
born again as that one helped him.

WHAT??? You don't remember that. Well it happened.

You cannot possibly know Trumps relationship[ with Jesus. I will not doubt nor will I question an ordained man of the cloth.

Yes, I too need Christ Jesus.

He himself has never acknowledged his need for forgiveness from Jesus Christ after he denied his need for the Savior. When asked, he always touts that he has a great relationship with "evangelicals." He diverts the subject. Those "evangelical pastors" are full of false doctrines. Why would I take their word rather than the word of Trump himself? Why can't he just publicly state that he was wrong to say he didn't need forgiveness? Why not ....if he has had a true change of heart... actually humbly state that he has sinned and he isn't above asking for forgiveness?

 

[Jack]

My reason for creating this thread wasn’t to cast stones at Donald Trump’s unrepentant immorality. It was to ask how so many conservative Christians can support him when he character, conduct, and morals are nothing Christ-like.

Who are Christians suppose to support? What politicians are "Christ-like"???

By the way, it isn’t wrong to criticize a politician’s immorality. Another reprehensible thing Trump did was call for banning Muslims from our country. He couched it as a way to prevent terrorism, but obviously he wanted to keep brown people out of America. It is wrong to scapegoat an entire group of people, falsely indict them as terrorists, and tell them they aren’t welcome here in the US; and he did it to play on people’s fears and court right-wing votes. You argued that because God forgives my past sins that I can’t criticize Trump’s sins against Muslims (and from what I know, Trump never recanted the Muslim travel ban idea). How does that make any sense?

So you vote Dem? Don't you know that Dems are in the baby killing industry?

Planned Parenthood launches $45M campaign to back Democrats in 2020

Planned Parenthood will spend $45 million on the 2020 elections, the nonprofit’s biggest electoral expenditure in its history, according to CBS News.The money will go toward the presidential electi…

thehill.com

 

[Ziggy]

He himself has never acknowledged his need for forgiveness from Jesus Christ after he denied his need for the Savior. When asked, he always touts that he has a great relationship with "evangelicals." He diverts the subject. Those "evangelical pastors" are full of false doctrines. Why would I take their word rather than the word of Trump himself? Why can't he just publicly state that he was wrong to say he didn't need forgiveness? Why not ....if he has had a true change of heart... actually humbly state that he has sinned and he isn't above asking for forgiveness?

Here's a conundrum...
I have found many videos where Trump puts God first and speaks of Jesus.
But if I post them.... you know, your not going to want to watch them.
"In America, we don't worship government, we worship God"

This may be difficult. And I understand difficult. So if you don't want to listen, that's fine.
But you can't accuse someone of something unless your willing to hear the full testimony of the one accused.
Otherwise it's just heresay and false witnessing.

Remember we talked about anons... a lot of things got shared that never made it to the public world.
Consider this letter from an Archbishop writen to Trump:

4542

For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

For this reason, I believe that the attack to which you were subjected after your visit to the National Shrine of Saint John Paul II is part of the orchestrated media narrative which seeks not to fight racism and bring social order, but to aggravate dispositions; not to bring justice, but to legitimize violence and crime; not to serve the truth, but to favor one political faction. And it is disconcerting that there are Bishops – such as those whom I recently denounced – who, by their words, prove that they are aligned on the opposing side. They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those who want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.

The American people are mature and have now understood how much the mainstream media does not want to spread the truth but seeks to silence and distort it, spreading the lie that is useful for the purposes of their masters. However, it is important that the good – who are the majority – wake up from their sluggishness and do not accept being deceived by a minority of dishonest people with unavowable purposes. It is necessary that the good, the children of light, come together and make their voices heard. What more effective way is there to do this, Mr. President, than by prayer, asking the Lord to protect you, the United States, and all of humanity from this enormous attack of the Enemy? Before the power of prayer, the deceptions of the children of darkness will collapse, their plots will be revealed, their betrayal will be shown, their frightening power will end in nothing, brought to light and exposed for what it is: an infernal deception.

Mr. President, my prayer is constantly turned to the beloved American nation, where I had the privilege and honor of being sent by Pope Benedict XVI as Apostolic Nuncio. In this dramatic and decisive hour for all of humanity, I am praying for you and also for all those who are at your side in the government of the United States. I trust that the American people are united with me and you in prayer to Almighty God.

United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.

+ Carlo Maria Viganò
Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana
Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America

Sometimes it's not what you say but what you do.

I know where you stand, I'm simply sharing.
Hugs

 

[RedFan]

Here's a conundrum...
I have found many videos where Trump puts God first and speaks of Jesus.
But if I post them.... you know, your not going to want to watch them.
"In America, we don't worship government, we worship God"

This may be difficult. And I understand difficult. So if you don't want to listen, that's fine.
But you can't accuse someone of something unless your willing to hear the full testimony of the one accused.
Otherwise it's just heresay and false witnessing.

Remember we talked about anons... a lot of things got shared that never made it to the public world.
Consider this letter from an Archbishop writen to Trump:

4542

For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

For this reason, I believe that the attack to which you were subjected after your visit to the National Shrine of Saint John Paul II is part of the orchestrated media narrative which seeks not to fight racism and bring social order, but to aggravate dispositions; not to bring justice, but to legitimize violence and crime; not to serve the truth, but to favor one political faction. And it is disconcerting that there are Bishops – such as those whom I recently denounced – who, by their words, prove that they are aligned on the opposing side. They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those who want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.

The American people are mature and have now understood how much the mainstream media does not want to spread the truth but seeks to silence and distort it, spreading the lie that is useful for the purposes of their masters. However, it is important that the good – who are the majority – wake up from their sluggishness and do not accept being deceived by a minority of dishonest people with unavowable purposes. It is necessary that the good, the children of light, come together and make their voices heard. What more effective way is there to do this, Mr. President, than by prayer, asking the Lord to protect you, the United States, and all of humanity from this enormous attack of the Enemy? Before the power of prayer, the deceptions of the children of darkness will collapse, their plots will be revealed, their betrayal will be shown, their frightening power will end in nothing, brought to light and exposed for what it is: an infernal deception.

Mr. President, my prayer is constantly turned to the beloved American nation, where I had the privilege and honor of being sent by Pope Benedict XVI as Apostolic Nuncio. In this dramatic and decisive hour for all of humanity, I am praying for you and also for all those who are at your side in the government of the United States. I trust that the American people are united with me and you in prayer to Almighty God.

United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.

+ Carlo Maria Viganò
Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana
Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America

Sometimes it's not what you say but what you do.

I know where you stand, I'm simply sharing.
Hugs

This is the same bishop who says Pope Francis should be arrested. Pope Francis should be arrested over "perverted" book, Archbishop says

 

[Ziggy]

This is the same bishop who says Pope Francis should be arrested. Pope Francis should be arrested over "perverted" book, Archbishop says

I believe it is. And I read the link you posted. And I am in agreement with the Archbishop.
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

It's funny how so much of the movement of Trump supporters and the "Qanon" phenomenon began almost but not quite the same time Trump was President.
Most people call it a psyop and filled with conspiracy theories, without ever having read any of the posts posted by Q.
But the media told everyone, Q is a cult, they are conspiracy theorists, and are dangerous.
I consider myself an anon. An Anonymous person who researches and looks up truth and evidence through various means of documents, media, law suits, any open source on the internet that sheds light on truth.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I do however believe in conspiracies, which is when two or more people agree to do something.
conspiracy:

1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

A theory is when something is based on assumption and not on facts or evidence.

So A conspiracy theory is a belief a conspiracy has happened but there has not been found evidence or facts to substantiate it.

An anons job is to search for evidence and facts and to follow them wherever they lead. And friends, most roads do lead to Rome.

Here is an example of a Q post:

4545 Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: cee948 No.9795578
Jun 29 2020 23:19:14 (EST)
Humanity is good, but, when we let our guard down we allow darkness to infiltrate and destroy.
Like past battles fought, we now face our greatest battle at present, a battle to save our Republic, our way of life, and what we decide (each of us) now will decide our future.
Will we be a free nation under God?
Or will we cede our freedom, rights and liberty to the enemy?
We all have a choice to make. .
Evil [darkness] has never been so exposed to light.
They can no longer hide in the shadows.
Our system of government has been infiltrated by corrupt and sinister elements.
Democracy was almost lost forever.
Think HRC install: [2+] Supreme Court Justices, 200+ judges, rogue elements expanded inside DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, WH, STATE, …….removal 2nd amendment, border etc. ……… America for sale: China, Russia, Iran, Syria…….ISIS & AL Q expansion…….expansion surv of domestic citizens…….modify/change voter rules and regulations allow illegals+ballot harvesting w/ SC backed liberal-social opinion………sell off of military to highest bidder to fight internal long-standing wars……..
Their thirst for a one world order [destruction of national sovereignty] serves to obtain control over America [and her allies [think EU]] by diluting your vote to oblivion and installing a new one world ruling party.
The start of this concept began with organizations such as: world health org, world trade org, united nations, ICC, NATO, etc., [all meant to weaken the United States] also the formation of EU through threat [con] of close proximity attack [attack on one is an attack on all – sales pitch to gen public – fear control].
Re: EU _did each member nation cede sovereignty to Brussels?
Re: EU _each member must implement EU rules and regulations in all areas [think immigration, currency, overall control].
Their thirst to remove your ability to defend yourself serves to prevent an uprising to challenge their control.
There is a fundamental reason why our enemies dare not attack [invade] our borders [armed citizenry].
If America falls so does the world.
If America falls darkness will soon follow.
Only when we stand together, only when we are united, can we defeat this highly entrenched dark enemy.
Their power and control relies heavily on an uneducated population.
A population that trusts without individual thought.
A population that obeys without challenge.
A population that remains outside of free thought, and instead, remains isolated living in fear inside of the closed-loop echo chamber of the controlled mainstream media.
This is not about politics.
This is about preserving our way of life and protecting the generations that follow.
We are living in Biblical times.
Children of light vs children of darkness.
United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity.
Q

Does this sound like a conspiracy theory or are we in fact witnessing the truth of what Q posted?

Future proves Past.

You can call the Q movement what you want. But I have learned much about Law, Constitution, History, Geography, Good people and Bad people, truths that I would never had known or even desired to look into.
And I've gone down many rabbit holes to find nothing. And many rabbit holes that lead to more rabbit holes.
We are simply searching for the truth.

Hugs

 

[BarneyFife]

Yes. Jr
The reason I bring it up it's because he did such a good job exposing the fact that covid was planned from back in 2019.
One of the things that he brought out was that they did some kind of drills or enactment or planning on the government response that would be enacted for covid and he noticed that in that response it was a military response to control people.
it was not a medical response.
And it made me Ponder those statements. Because that's exactly what they did.
They controlled the duped and unlearned population.
This sets of precedent that the Democrats, at least some of them, are waking up to the destruction of our country.

I just gotta say, I love your username and, as I haven't seen you around before:

Welcome aboard!

.

 

[Spyder]

It seems that some folks want a Messiah to run for president, and really think no Republican fits the description. May I suggest that those who want a Messiah in office tell us who that might be?

 

[Traveler]

It seems that some folks want a Messiah to run for president, and really think no Republican fits the description. May I suggest that those who want a Messiah in office tell us who that might be?

That is not accurate. The people do not want a Messiah, they want a real president that is able to rebuild the economy, bring all the wars to an end, protect the people from an out of control government and reestablish the constitution and laws of the land.

Now don't get me wrong, the idea of a new one world government is not something that worries me as such. But how it is being implemented is a huge red flag. The means a group uses to comes to power is the same way they will govern. This group pushing for their NWO is quite happy to break the existing country, murder millions, corrupt any and all politicians along with the rule of law. Just who the hell wants to live under a regeym like that forever ?

So far only Trump has proved himself to want to do the right thing.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

My reason for creating this thread wasn’t to cast stones at Donald Trump’s unrepentant immorality. It was to ask how so many conservative Christians can support him when he character, conduct, and morals are nothing Christ-like.

By the way, it isn’t wrong to criticize a politician’s immorality. Another reprehensible thing Trump did was call for banning Muslims from our country. He couched it as a way to prevent terrorism, but obviously he wanted to keep brown people out of America. It is wrong to scapegoat an entire group of people, falsely indict them as terrorists, and tell them they aren’t welcome here in the US; and he did it to play on people’s fears and court right-wing votes. You argued that because God forgives my past sins that I can’t criticize Trump’s sins against Muslims (and from what I know, Trump never recanted the Muslim travel ban idea). How does that make any sense?

I do not accept an open border as seemingly you do. But I do wish they would do away with Passports and real IDs cause they are a waste of time and money for everyone going and coming. Do you agree?

Terrorists are not my brothers.

Most terrorists are Muslim. At least those in recent history.

Do you want a politician who is all about their religion? I see you say nothing against RCCs Joe Biden and he is mumm on that subject too. Biden has no unaccounted sins cause he goes to confession.. or more likely it comes to him and he dutifully does his panances after he calls a lid.

God will use who he will use

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

That is not accurate. The people do not want a Messiah, they want a real president that is able to rebuild the economy, bring all the wars to an end, protect the people from an out of control government and reestablish the constitution and laws of the land.

Now don't get me wrong, the idea of a new one world government is not something that worries me as such. But how it is being implemented is a huge red flag. The means a group uses to comes to power is the same way they will govern. This group pushing for their NWO is quite happy to break the existing country, murder millions, corrupt any and all politicians along with the rule of law. Just who the hell wants to live under a regeym like that forever ?

So far only Trump has proved himself to want to do the right thing.

Amen, amen

 

[rebuilder 454]

I think a lot of Rebuplicans have had to come to grips with their own party as well.
I'm thinking Bush Jr. and the weapons of mass destruction and the implementation of the patriot act scam.

I don't think we've really had time to deal with that mess.

They keep the ball rolling so fast it's hard to catch your breath and see the truth behind it all.
They work together to make themselves rich at the cost of the people, who are only slaves to them.

Someday we may ralize we're not as free as we profess to be. It's just not blatently apparent in this country like it is others.
But they have different classes of slaves. And we're not on the bottom rung, but we're pretty close to it.
The children are who they're after. Because once they have them, they have the future and the world.

It's not an us vs. them. It's a good vs. evil. And both sides are coming under their authority even if we don't all see it.

Our Republican leaders would never lie to us and bring us in a neverending war in the middle east just for oil.
Oh but they did, they did. And thousand died and many cried, and they even didn't blink an eye.

Hugs

Yep
Every word true.

 

[rebuilder 454]

He himself has never acknowledged his need for forgiveness from Jesus Christ after he denied his need for the Savior. When asked, he always touts that he has a great relationship with "evangelicals." He diverts the subject. Those "evangelical pastors" are full of false doctrines. Why would I take their word rather than the word of Trump himself? Why can't he just publicly state that he was wrong to say he didn't need forgiveness? Why not ....if he has had a true change of heart... actually humbly state that he has sinned and he isn't above asking for forgiveness?

 

[rebuilder 454]

It seems that some folks want a Messiah to run for president, and really think no Republican fits the description. May I suggest that those who want a Messiah in office tell us who that might be?

Exactly.
The commander in chief has to make decisions to execute terrorists and armies that threaten.
He has to be a scrapper to defend this nation.
Not saying a leader can not be a christian.
But the "mother bear" ingredient has to be in place for freedom.
Trump fits both of those

 

[Jack]

He himself has never acknowledged his need for forgiveness from Jesus Christ after he denied his need for the Savior. When asked, he always touts that he has a great relationship with "evangelicals." He diverts the subject. Those "evangelical pastors" are full of false doctrines. Why would I take their word rather than the word of Trump himself? Why can't he just publicly state that he was wrong to say he didn't need forgiveness? Why not ....if he has had a true change of heart... actually humbly state that he has sinned and he isn't above asking for forgiveness?

But then, LOTS of politicians pretend to be Christians to deceive. At least Trump thumped Roe V Wade. That's a darn good start!