Zelenskyy wants nuclear bombs and NATO membership, remains defiant and says he does not owe an apology to the US and Trump

[Scott Downey]

Trump says Ukraine may not survive, even with US aid

This angered Europe. Europe has LOANED Ukraine a lot of money. What a loss.
Europe says the USA must be a backstop otherwise they won't put EU soldiers in Ukraine.
Europe-UK talking of Trump as one of Putin's useful idiots is not a good thing for Trump to be hearing!
Trump is not the sort of person that others can manipulate by saying dumb things about him and it hardens him against them as they are then his opponents.

Sounds like they also do not want peace. If Ukraine does not want peace and neither does Europe and UK, well Trump may just let them figure it out without the USA being involved anymore.
Trump is saying he will not further support the war. Trump campaigned on a promise to end the war. Well, he may just end the US enabling the war to continue.

MSN

Speaking to Fox News, the President claimed that Kyiv would struggle to resist the Russian invasion even with US military support.

Trump was asked about a warning from Polish President Andrzej Duda that Ukraine “would not survive” without American support.

Pressed on whether he was “comfortable” with that outcome, Mr Trump said: “Well, it may not survive anyway.


"But we have some weaknesses with Russia. You know, it takes two.”

Trump’s latest remarks were met with swift condemnation.

Lord Dannatt, former head of the British army, stressed the need for a US security “backstop” before British, French and other troops are deployed to Ukraine as a peace-keeping force.

“Otherwise you have to ask the question and say frankly, ‘is Donald Trump just doing what Vladimir Putin wants?’ he told Times Radio.

“’Is Trump being Putin’s fool?’

“There is a gathering body of opinion that says frankly this is the case, that Trump is effectively playing Putin’s game.”

He continued: ”That comment about Ukraine may not still exist, was that just a throw away remark or does he actually mean that.

“If he means it then he is playing Putin’s game, Putin’s game is that Ukraine is not a legitimate country and should not exist.”

Last week, the US halted intelligence sharing with Ukraine in a bid to pile pressure on Mr Zelensky to cooperate with Washington in convening peace talks with Russia.


The suspension, which could cost lives by hurting Ukraine's ability to defend itself against Russian missile strikes, followed a halt to US military aid to Kyiv.

US officials will meet on Tuesday with a Ukrainian delegation in Saudi Arabia in part to determine whether Ukraine is willing to make material concessions to Russia to end the war.

Also hanging over the talks in Jeddah is the fate of a minerals deal between Washington and Kyiv.

Trump said he hoped that both sides would “make a lot of progress this week”.

Mr Zelensky had been due to sign the minerals accord on a trip to the White House earlier this month, but the visit erupted into a clash between the two leaders with Mr Trump and Vice President JD Vance accusing Kyiv of being insufficiently “grateful” for US support.

On Sunday, Mr Trump said he believed Ukraine would sign the minerals agreement, which Kyiv wants to contain a US security guarantee.


"They will sign the minerals deal but I want them to want peace... They haven't shown it to extent they should," he said.

In other developments, the Ukrainian military said on Monday that Russia launched 176 drones in an overnight attack.

The country's armed forces shot down 130 drones and another 42 did not reach their targets, likely due to electronic warfare countermeasures, the military said in a statement on Telegram.

It did not specify what happened to the remaining four drones.

 

[Scott Downey]

How about Trump pulls all support for Ukraine, since US is not a backstop, Europe UK give up on Ukraine. Russia wins the war.
Putin invites the US to jointly invest in Ukraine and Siberia to develop resources like rare earths, lumber, oil etc. (Putin already has asked him to do that in the last few days). Trump agrees as it is a good business deal for the US, meaning the citizens of our country. Trump leaves NATO.

Trump has not been critical of Russia if you notice, Trump is very critical of NATO and Ukraine, Canada and Mexico as being raw deals, they take advantage of the US.
The current world order is shaking. There is another new world order developing.

I am not too happy about UK or EU politics myself, how about you? They are very strongly anti-MAGA, anti-Trump in policies ideologically

 

[Ronald Nolette]

WW2 was total war footing, the other wars were fought over politics of communism vs capitalism, if you look at it in its simplest measure, part of that was the long cold war.

war is war. If the US is to unleash the dogs of war (which should always be the last resort) it should unleash to win and win decisively.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The current world order is shaking. There is another new world order developing.

Yep, and while some of Trump's policies are good for the nation and are based in some good old common sense... let's not forget that he can easily be swayed by the forces of darkness to do some things that are going to turn out to NOT be good for anybody but the devil.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

How about Trump pulls all support for Ukraine, since US is not a backstop, Europe UK give up on Ukraine. Russia wins the war.
Putin invites the US to jointly invest in Ukraine and Siberia to develop resources like rare earths, lumber, oil etc. (Putin already has asked him to do that in the last few days). Trump agrees as it is a good business deal for the US, meaning the citizens of our country. Trump leaves NATO.

Trump has not been critical of Russia if you notice, Trump is very critical of NATO and Ukraine, Canada and Mexico as being raw deals, they take advantage of the US.
The current world order is shaking. There is another new world order developing.

I am not too happy about UK or EU politics myself, how about you? They are very strongly anti-MAGA, anti-Trump in policies ideologically

The Socialist Leaders of the World are all just like 5 year olds in fact ! They are not Leaders in fact but Puppets who all have one Master and that is Political Correctness ! So what is correct for them is this Idol of theirs that rejects the Truth in fact ! clearly for they make up what is their own so called truth in fact !

For anyone to say that Trump is one of Putins useful idiots ? you would have to be a total retard moronic fool in fact !
What a outright full on Lie !
Like who would make such a claim, such a outright stupid down right low life lie in fact !
I would cut such people like that off directly and have nothing to do with them at all ! if I were Trump. because that shows outright disrespect and a 5 yo comment that is not worthy of any real political worthyness in fact !
They think that school yard bully tactics like that will work ?

Who wants War ! That's the question and why do they insist on a War that can distroy the economy of their own Nations in fact ! when they can clearly not even look after their own nations people in fact ! clearly they have no respect for the people who they govern in fact !

Trump can stop this War ! and make the killing and all issues go away in fact !

The rest of the West Socialist Leaders intent is clearly only want to undermine their own Nations economy in fact ! and the USA economy as well but Trump is not playing their Game play ! and this is why they demand to play being totaly pathetic with Trumps Tariffs ! like total moron 5 year old brats ! as they are not responcible men at all in fact, who will work to help out the USA that has carryed the can for them for years in fact and what does the USA get in return, just a stupid idiot spoilt brat reaction !

Work with Trump is the bright way of doing deals for ones Nation in fact, but they will only stupe to play the Brat ! untill the People toss them out ! all that Trump wants is a fair deal and stop such low lifes playing the USA for fools !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

All that Trump is doing is pointing out for all such Socialist criminal Leaders to grow up ! seriously ! they are a total disgrace in fact morons !

 

[Dan Clarkston]

But it happened as scheduled.

And Lincoln would have been within his constitutional powers to not have elections due to the war and due to the nation being under martial law.

Alternatively should America bully smaller weaker nations to get what it wants regardless of the effect upon that nation?

Here's how things work... the nation that is a super power that is giving millions in aid to smaller countries gets to call the shots.

The smaller countries are free to not take our money and go ti alone if they'd like

Is justice going to be a foreign concept, only app for Americans?

Be careful with that justice stuff.... If the Lord got "justice" you'd be burning in hell right now.

Thankfully the Lord had some mercy on all of mankind and sent Jesus to the Cross so we would have a way of salvation instead of getting justice upon us for our sins.

If I were Russia I wouldn't settle for nuking just Europe. It would be a poor tactical decision to leave the US as an economic and military power, even if we have nothing to do with Ukraine from here out.

If anybody starts shooting off nukes.... that is the start of WW3

And numerous former military generals who have first hand knowledge of the US military's strength have said the US cannot win a war against China, Russia, North Korea, and the muzlim states who will and band together against the US in a world war.

This means if WW3 starts, the US will most likely becomes a nuclear wasteland with the vast majority of US citizens dying in the process.

Of course the liberals actuality want this because in the aftermath the elite of the world want to bring in the one world government and in their view the US stands in the way of this goal.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Democrats will howl at the moon if this ever happens

We cannot count on Russia as a supplier no more than we can count on China as a supplier.

We need out own source for rare earth materials that is not dependent upon our adversaries.

In fact, it's a smart play by Putin because if he can get Trump to fall for that then Putin can make us dependent upon Russia being our supplier so they can cut us of when world war breaks out

Why were you yepping about the Ukrainian president and bad mouthing him not calling an election on the other thread?????

It's not fair to the Ukrainian people and it highlights that they are not actually a democracy

Plus he has force most churches in Ukraine to close

According to someone on this forum you need to put a valid link to that.
It should be required on a Christian Forum.
Not my opinion, but just saying.......

Well you know.... 78% of all statistics are made up right?

Governments should be called out, to free and open debate on such subjects and stop the cloased Shop mongering bastards with a one sided view point only !

Potty mouth? OR, these people really have no fathers???

30% of $15 trillion is $4.5 trillion.

Yeah that's like counting your chickens before the eggs hatch.

It'll probably take long than Trump's 4 year term in in office just to get the mining started

The US most likely has rare earth materials that can be minded within the US that we should be working on now.

And, I wouldn't be too surprised if the people in Greenland decide to break away from Denmark and join the US... if they decide to do that, we won't even have to pay Denmark anything

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

We cannot count on Russia as a supplier no more than we can count on China as a supplier.

We need out own source for rare earth materials that is not dependent upon our adversaries.

In fact, it's a smart play by Putin because if he can get Trump to fall for that then Putin can make us dependent upon Russia being our supplier so they can cut us of when world war breaks out






It's not fair to the Ukrainian people and it highlights that they are not actually a democracy

Plus he has force most churches in Ukraine to close






Well you know.... 78% of all statistics are made up right? View attachment 59693






Potty mouth? OR, these people really have no fathers???

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Yeah that's like counting your chickens before the eggs hatch.

It'll probably take long than Trump's 4 year term in in office just to get the mining started

The US most likely has rare earth materials that can be minded within the US that we should be working on now.

And, I wouldn't be too surprised if the people in Greenland decide to break away from Denmark and join the US... if they decide to do that, we won't even have to pay Denmark anything

How many Fartherless children is their now in Ukraine ?
That's not good at all for the future of the Ukraine people, not at all ! but who is counting that cost, like Seriously !
I remember such kids who had no Father due to War, when I was a child. just that as a reason is enough not to support the War mongering bastards ! like seriously ! The years of such a Mess ? all over one Mob rejecting a Peoples rights to Vote !
It could of all been solved with letting them VOTE in fact !
Sure the fat cats would of not made money ! and that's so said ! tell that to a child who lost a dad or mum.

But it's like, Look we just wanted to make a lot of money ! is that a crime ?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

How many Fartherless children is their now in Ukraine ?

If they don't make peace with Russia soon... they are all going to be dead, not just the fathers.

Ukraine does not have the strength or power to defeat Russia.... and if the world joins in on Ukraine's side then that is the start of WW3 and nukes will start flying causing the death of 10s of millions of people around the world.

You tell me.... which option do you think it best?

It's no problem for me either way cause if I die due to radiation poisoning I'm going to be with the Lord so it's all good for me either way because I'm not of this world... I'm, a just passin thru

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If they don't make peace with Russia soon... they are all going to be dead, not just the fathers.

Ukraine does not have the strength or power to defeat Russia.... and if the world joins in on Ukraine's side then that is the start of WW3 and nukes will start flying causing the death of 10s of millions of people around the world.

You tell me.... which option do you think it best?

It's no problem for me either way cause if I die due to radiation poisoning I'm going to be with the Lord so it's all good for me either way because I'm not of this world... I'm, a just passin thru

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Well, a Communist mate up the road says, if a Nuclear bomb is droped ? that's it ! it's all out Nuclear War ! and I say who told you that load of total BS !
Where does they get such a stupid possition from, Like oh if just one more Nuclear Bomb is droped the world can not handle the toxic fall out ?
Well how do they get rid of all of the old Nuclear Bombs over the years, that they were set on reducing them, do they tell the wold how they do this ? How many have been dismantled seriously ! like prove it all ! but No ! we are not alowed to know are we, once again something again that we the people have no rights to know. and the Media backs that sort of crap up ? That's no Media in fact ! seriously !

A real Media has every right to ask questions for the People in fact and if they don't well they are truly owned just like Communist Media is dominated by the Communist Mob in fact as was the Nazis in fact ! but people now do not care about the fundamentals of what is a Media of Value that truly respects the Peoples rights to know and understand truly what's going on ! They have become a Joke ! and we the People have become a joke in fact ! just only Clowns !

But if say one Nuclear Bomb was droped, sat Russia droped a Nuclear Bomb on Ukraine ? That would not kick of a Nuclear War against Russia in fact ! why well it would make all come together and put a hold on the War big time !
You know what happened to Japan with them little tiny Bombs that the USA had back then ! that is little real little in fact ! but Russia has how many times bigger that that ? The world will total sh1t themselves ! the Japs did in fact and the most nasty people on earth gave up !
So what of the gutless spine less West of today ! they can not endure even a Flood hear, not getting food in the shops that they want and power is out and the majority do not know how to prepair for a flood, they are just so stupid and total ignorant ! you may be without power for 3 days to 7 days bro ! why are you not prepaired ? morons !

And we have people who are full on wanting WW3, Like demanding that we will Win ! Ok so if we Win ? at what cost ? Haha ! Morons never can think that far. Do they still think that it will be like WW2 just a walk in the park, like that was back in the days ? no much worse in fact, is what the deal will be in fact and one has to think about such as that ! but they are far to shallow or to gutless to think about such.

I had this mate who was saying all what he would do in a War ! I said No ! your an abomination ! you are putting our own people in harms way with totaly no regards of them in fact ! women and children in fact, with no regards at all whatsoever ! But a Hero in his own mind.

I have seen gutless people go into a big Pub fight just wanting to get their 10c worth ! and punch someone who is not looking ? But what if one turns on them ?
Like the Australian PM the boy man ! all show total disregards Russia. but what if ? that's the reality, who is the PM hanging out to dry, us ?
I am like listen I know Gay men like our PM can talk tuff ! like a little rat dog sure barks a lot, but I have seen such end up within the teeth of a bigger dog being shook around !

 

[Triumph1300]

How many Fartherless children is their now in Ukraine ?
That's not good at all for the future of the Ukraine people, not at all ! but who is counting that cost, like Seriously !

Have you ever asked that question about the United States, Australia, or Canada?
It's actually the cause of moral decline all over the world.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Have you ever asked that question about the United States, Australia, or Canada?
It's actually the cause of moral decline all over the world.

Well yes !

 

[shepherdsword]

I bet Ukraine wished they had kept all of those SS18s it had when it broke off from Russia. I seem to remember the US promising to come to their aid if they were attacked. After they gave up the nukes that is.

 

[Scott Downey]

US about to recognize Crimea as part of Russia again, and Russia says Easter ceasefire

MSN

 

[Scott Downey]

I bet Ukraine wished they had kept all of those SS18s it had when it broke off from Russia. I seem to remember the US promising to come to their aid if they were attacked. After they gave up the nukes that is.

Good thing they did, they would have used them on Russia. Russia would have used nukes in Ukraine, and radiation would spread all over Europe. Could not eat any food sourced from much of Europe and many more millions could have died of radiation and starvation than just the conventional warfare. Europe would be radioactive for decades. Pain and suffering all over Europe, sicknesses like cancer.

Fallout does depend on which way the wind is blowing.