How did Paganism get into the church?

[MonoBiblical]

Thread: How did paganism get into the early church?

When the temple was destroyed 70AD; many in the church and all righteous ones therein disappeared like Enoch. The Persians had many Jewish pretenders who wanted to fight Rome, and Rome had many Gnostics who opposed them, and started Christian sects.

The Persians altered Israelite documents, and Rome copied many NT documents. NT documents promote pacifism which was useless for the survival of the 2 new religions, rabbinic Judaism and Christianity.

 

[Pearl]

People can always cut out the 'middleman' -ie the so-called church - and go straight to the main man - ie Jesus. He never got anything wrong. We can belong to a 'church' for the benefits of fellowship but if it teaches anything apart from Jesus we mustn't fall for it. We all need to be vigilant and only believe what our bibles teach. Anything else is trappings and falsehoods.

 

[Behold]

It didn't! The Church conquered paganism...

The "cult of Mary" adopted Paganism......that was "The Goddess Diana " worship.
See, originally, according to early Paganism.... the Goddess Diana was the "queen of heaven" and the "perpetual virgin"...
The CC simply substituted "Mary", and continued.
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[Matthias]

Thread: How did paganism get into the early church?

When the temple was destroyed 70AD; many in the church and all righteous ones therein disappeared like Enoch.

Where did they go? Did they go where Enoch went when Enoch diisappeared?

“Many in the church disappeared” and those that didn’t? Where were they when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD?

 

[Matthias]

The "cult of Mary" adopted Paganism......that was "The Goddess Diana " worship.
See, originally, according to early Paganism.... the Goddess Diana was the "queen of heaven" and the "perpetual virgin"...
The CC simply substituted "Mary", and continued.
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It was the Catholic Church which formulated the doctrine of the Trinity.

The Catholic Church is the home of historical orthodox trinitarianism. Protestants took it with them, finding no fault with it, when the Reformation began.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Where did they go? Did they go where Enoch went when Enoch diisappeared?

“Many in the church disappeared” and those that didn’t? Where were they when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD?

Those that didn't were either killed by Rome or were wicked. Israel ceased to exist after the second coming. Enoch went to the Kingdom of God when translated.

 

[Matthias]

Those that didn't were either killed by Rome or were wicked.

So many in the church disappeared because 1. they were killed by the Romans or 2. they were wicked.

Those church members who were killed and disappeared causes me to think the place they disappeared to is the grave. Is that what you are suggesting? Or do you have something else in mind?

Those church members who were wicked and disappeared causes me to think that they continued to live somewhere, perhaps in and around Jerusalem. Is that correct?

Israel ceased to exist after the second coming.

The second coming? Are you saying that Jesus returned in 70 AD?

Enoch went to the Kingdom of God when translated.

Regarding the church members who weren’t killed and weren’t wicked when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD: are you saying that when they disappeared they were translated, as you say Enoch was, to the Kingdom of God? If so, are you placing them somewhere on earth or in heaven?

 

[Behold]

It was the Catholic Church which formulated the doctrine of the Trinity.

You have always, in a Cult.. some truth.
And this is how a cult deceives you... as Heretics mix truth with error....and that is why it "sounds true".

So, on one hand... "Mary is not the mediatrix, nor was she resurrected in her dead body.. "ascension of Mary".....as this is not found in the NT.

Yet on the other hand.... "God as 3 in One" is true, because that is found in the NT.

You can't take a NT and show where Mary, died and her dead body, .. flew to Heaven.. "ascension of Mary".
There is not a word in the NT, that even suggests that Dead Mary flew to heaven.

Yet, many verses in the NT say "God manifested in the Flesh" and Jesus is the WORD, and "the Word was God".
You have Thomas saying "My Lord and my GOD".

This is all over the NT...............verses that state it, imply it, and prove it.

 

[Matthias]

You have always, in a Cult.. some truth.
And this is how a cult deceives you... as Heretics mix truth with error....and that is why it "sounds true".

So, on one hand... "Mary is not the mediatrix, nor was she resurrected in her dead body.. "ascension of Mary".....as this is not found in the NT.

Yet on the other hand.... "God as 3 in One" is true, because that is found in the NT.

You can't take a NT and show where Mary, died and her dead body, .. flew to Heaven.. "ascension of Mary".
There is not a word in the NT, that even suggests that Dead Mary flew to heaven.

Yet, many verses in the NT say "God manifested in the Flesh" and Jesus is the WORD, and "the Word was God".
You have Thomas saying "My Lord and my GOD".

This is all over the NT...............verses that state it, imply it, and prove it.

The Catholics do a masterful job of explaining how they developed and formulated what is written in the Bible - Fortman calls it “elemental trinitarianism” - into historical orthodox trinitarianism. Proving the old adage: “You can make the Bible say anything you want it to say.” Sure, but at what cost?

The cost was the destruction of the Jewish dogma; Jewish monotheism declared to be error and heresy.

It isn’t historical orthodox trinitarianism that is all over the New Testament. It’s Jewish monotheism that is.

“God is one” is true because that is found in the Hebrew Bible and in the New Testament.

 

[Matthias]

The Puritans waged spiritual war on Christmas (just as the Catholic Church is the home of the doctrine of the Trinity, it is also the home of Christmas) in the first few centuries of the founding of the USA; but they didn’t wage spiritual war on historical orthodox trinitarianism.

 

[Matthias]

The Puritans waged spiritual war on Christmas (just as the Catholic Church is the home of the doctrine of the Trinity, it is also the home of Christmas) in the first few centuries of the founding of the USA; but they didn’t wage spiritual war on historical orthodox trinitarianism.

Christmas Unwrapped.

I usually watch it around this time of year, every year.

Whether people choose to celebrate it or not, Christmas has a very interesting history.

 

[MonoBiblical]

So many in the church disappeared because 1. they were killed by the Romans or 2. they were wicked.

3. Many were righteous and did not die, but were taken up.

Those church members who were killed and disappeared causes me to think the place they disappeared to is the grave. Is that what you are suggesting? Or do you have something else in mind?

Those church members who were wicked and disappeared causes me to think that they continued to live somewhere, perhaps in and around Jerusalem. Is that correct?

How would they live when Rome was wiping them out?

The second coming? Are you saying that Jesus returned in 70 AD?



Regarding the church members who weren’t killed and weren’t wicked when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD: are you saying that when they disappeared they were translated, as you say Enoch was, to the Kingdom of God? If so, are you placing them somewhere on earth or in heaven?

Heaven. Enoch wouldn't be dead or on the earth. It is a silly adventist/JW notion that he went to soul sleep early, or even soul sleep.

 

[Keiw]

Do you like irony?

”How did the first settlers celebrate Christmas? They didn’t. The Pilgrims who came to America in 1620 were strict Puritans, with firm views on religious holidays such as Christmas and Easter. … Puritans were particularly contemptuous of Christmas, nicknaming it ‘Foolstide’ and banning their flock from any celebration of it throughout the 17th and 18th centuries. …”

When Americans banned Christmas

The first 'War on Christmas' was declared almost 400 years ago, courtesy of our Puritan forefathers

theweek.com

The Puritans were trinitarians.

There is no trinity god in existence. The God Israel served= the Abrahamic God=a single being God named-YHVH(Jehovah), as did Jesus and every bible writer, so the puritans were still mislead.

 

[Matthias]

There is no trinity god in existence. The God Israel served= the Abrahamic God=a single being God named-YHVH(Jehovah), as did Jesus and every bible writer, so the puritans were still mislead.

I was just pointing out that they didn’t observe Christmas. It sounds odd - even wrong - to say trinitarians don’t observe / celebrate Christmas with it being linked to the Incarnation of the second person of their deity, but there was a time when some trinitarians (Protestants) didn’t. They even went so far as to pass a law against it.

A fascinating piece of trinitarian history : trinitarians against Christmas.

 

[Keiw]

I was just pointing out that they didn’t observe Christmas. It sounds odd - even wrong - to say trinitarians don’t observe / celebrate Christmas with it being linked to the Incarnation of the second person of their deity, but there was a time when some trinitarians (Protestants) didn’t. They even went so far as to pass a law against it.

A fascinating piece of trinitarian history : trinitarians against Christmas.

Yes because of the added pagan practices off the table of demons-Encyclopedias are filled with that info.

 

[The Learner]

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[Hobie]

Hello Hobie,

to answer the topic question:

It didn't! The Church conquered paganism...

'capture every thought for Christ'

Pax et Bonum

So that's why they bow to idols, seems as if they got 'captured'..

 

[Wrangler]

Little by little, and then more openly as it increased in strength and gained control of believers, paganism and idol worship came into the church.

This is your thesis statement. Where is the supporting evidence?

I do believe there is evidence but also, there is a difference between IDOL worship and Paganism. Christians are fully guilty of Christian IDOLATRY in the name of false doctrines.

Paganism is more like setting the time for ritual based on astronomical events. This too is done. Point is, the datasets of evidence are different.

Since you are making the claim, your OP should detail the evidence, don’t you think?

 

[Behold]

The Catholic "cult of Mary" is simply a redefining of "Goddess Diana worship"....... with some "christianity" and "theology" mixed in to try to make it seem real.
Also, the very early days of Catholicism, included a lot of gnosticism..
IN fact... the "Father of Gnosticism", a man named Valentinus.. almost became a early POPE.
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[Hobie]

depends which pagan religion you're talking about I guess. But the Roman pagan religions died out more than 1000 years ago...

Pax et Bonum

Look in the Catholic Church and it is alive and well even today...