HERESY?

[Truther]

Jesus said his followers would be hated. They are no part of this world. Its not to hard to see.

Yes, but being hated is not the qualification for a Christian.

 

[Truther]

At the proper time means when God wills a truth to be known. Bad teachings started getting in after Jesus died. In the book of Peter, Titus was left behind to correct error teachings. All can see who makes correction, and has made correction because truth is what they want.

Bad teachings started coming in after the Apostles died.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Bad teachings started coming in after the Apostles died.

Sorry, have to Disagree; BEFORE Paul died, he said:

2Co_2:17 "For we are not as many, which corrupt The Word Of God:
but as of sincerity, but as of God, in The Sight Of God speak we in Christ."

Amen?

 

[Jim B]

Sorry, have to Disagree; BEFORE Paul died, he said:

2Co_2:17 "For we are not as many, which corrupt The Word Of God:
but as of sincerity, but as of God, in The Sight Of God speak we in Christ."

Amen?

That is correct. This is what Paul wrote to the church at Corinth: "Now I mean this, that each of you is saying, “I am with Paul,” or “I am with Apollos,” or “I am with Cephas,” or “I am with Christ.” Is Christ divided? Paul wasn’t crucified for you, was he? Or were you in fact baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Corinthians 1:12-13.

BTW, here is 2 Corinthians 2:17 in the NET: "For we are not like so many others, hucksters who peddle the word of God for profit, but we are speaking in Christ before God as persons of sincerity, as persons sent from God."

 

[Truther]

Sorry, have to Disagree; BEFORE Paul died, he said:

2Co_2:17 "For we are not as many, which corrupt The Word Of God:
but as of sincerity, but as of God, in The Sight Of God speak we in Christ."

Amen?

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock....

38 Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more....

 

[Jim B]

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock....

38 Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more....

This doesn't negate the fact that there were false teachings in the church before Paul died. His epistles are full of comments about doctrinal errors and odd practices in the churches.

 

[Cooper]

No the son did not come before the Father. You arent your Father. You might be his image as Jesus was his Fathers image. Coll 1:15

Beg your pardon, you need to be careful what you say. Jesus is God over all.

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
(Romans 9:5 KJV)

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(Colossians 1:16 KJV)

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
(1 Timothy 1:17 KJV)

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13 KJV)

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(Hebrews 13:8 KJV)

Jesus is King
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
(John 18:36 KJV)

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Revelation 19:16 KJV)
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[Jim B]

Beg your pardon, you need to be careful what you say.

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
(Romans 9:5 KJV)

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(Colossians 1:16 KJV)

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
(1 Timothy 1:17 KJV)

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13 KJV)

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(Hebrews 13:8 KJV)

Jesus is King
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
(John 18:36 KJV)

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Revelation 19:16 KJV)
.

Keiw is correct. 1) The Son did not come before the Father. (You aren't your father.) 2) Jesus was his Fathers image.

Psalm 2:6-8, "“I myself have installed my king on Zion, my holy hill.”
The king says, “I will announce the Lord’s decree. He said to me:
‘You are my son. This very day I have become your father.
Ask me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance,
the ends of the earth as your personal property." NET v2.1

This is quoted in both Testaments.

 

[Cooper]

Keiw is correct. 1) The Son did not come before the Father. (You aren't your father.) 2) Jesus was his Fathers image.

Psalm 2:6-8, "“I myself have installed my king on Zion, my holy hill.”
The king says, “I will announce the Lord’s decree. He said to me:
‘You are my son. This very day I have become your father.
Ask me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance,
the ends of the earth as your personal property." NET v2.1

This is quoted in both Testaments.

I said, read me propperly. "I am a father and son. I WAS A SON BEFORE I WAS A FATHER."
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[Jim B]

I said, read me propperly. "I am a father and son. I WAS A SON BEFORE I WAS A FATHER."
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Jesus did not predate His own Father. Simply because you were a son before you were a father means nothing; you're not part of the eternal Godhead.

 

[Cooper]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Jesus did not predate His own Father. Simply because you were a son before you were a father means nothing; you're not part of the eternal Godhead.

That stands out a mile. Jesus is the I AM of the Old Testament, He is the creator, the WORD, He is the King of Kings, He is the Lord of Lords. And then he came among us in the LIKENESS of Man. JESUS WAS AND IS THE OMNIPRESENT FATHER.
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[GodsGrace]

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock....

38 Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more....

Truther
Jim and Grace are right..
The church was already being corrupted by some sects before John died,,,he was very concerned about the gnostics.
When he stated in his gospel that they left because they are not of us, he meant the gnostics.

You're right too.
This happened after Jesus left us and returned to the Father.

 

[GodsGrace]

That stands out a mile. Jesus is the I AM of the Old Testament, He is the creator, the WORD, He is the King of Kings, He is the Lord of Lords. And then he came among us in the LIKENESS of Man. JESUS WAS AND IS THE OMNIPRESENT FATHER.
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Are you saying The Father and The Son are the same "person"?

 

[Jim B]

That stands out a mile. Jesus is the I AM of the Old Testament, He is the creator, the WORD, He is the King of Kings, He is the Lord of Lords. And then he came among us in the LIKENESS of Man. JESUS WAS AND IS THE OMNIPRESENT FATHER.
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Psalm 2:6-7, “I myself have installed my king
on Zion, my holy hill.”
The king says, “I will announce the Lord’s decree. He said to me:
‘You are my son. This very day I have become your father."

Jesus is not, never was, and never will be His own Father. This is clearly stated over and over and over throughout the Bible.

As a single example, take Matthew 3:17, "And a voice from heaven said, “This is my one dear Son; in him I take great delight.” Was Jesus in two places at once? Was He somehow projecting His own voice from heaven? I mean, really!

Even the demons knew the truth. "They cried out, “Son of God, leave us alone! Have you come here to torment us before the time?” Matthew 8:29

If that's not enough, explain this: "All things have been handed over to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son decides to reveal him." Matthew 11:27

Matthew 14:32-33 "When they went up into the boat, the wind ceased. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” They didn't say "truly you are God the Father"!

Matthew 16:16-17, "Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!"

And that's just from one gospel.

 

[Cooper]

Are you saying The Father and The Son are the same "person"?

Not the same person on earth, but according to the scriptures in post 1767.

Christ's Kingdom is a heavenly one.
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[GRACE ambassador]

need to be careful what you say. Jesus is God over all.

Yes, VERY Careful And Prayerful! 500 Passages Of Pure And Holy Scriptures,
Are "Complete" Evidence Of This BIBLICAL Fact: JESUS Is Almighty God!!

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Cooper]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Jesus did not predate His own Father. Simply because you were a son before you were a father means nothing; you're not part of the eternal Godhead.

So talking about the Godhead, who was Jesus in the beginning?
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[Cooper]

Yes, VERY Careful And Prayerful! 500 Passages Of Pure And Holy Scriptures,
Are "Complete" Evidence Of This BIBLICAL Fact: JESUS Is Almighty God!!

GRACE And Peace...

I need prayers.
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[Keiw]

The Father and the Son....are ONE....is precisely what Jesus taught!

John 10:30 “I” and “MY” Father are ONE.



Your accusation is foiled!

Yes one in purpose. It goes on to say all the followers will become one with them= in purpose. That purpose is living to Do Jesus Fathers will over our own will-Matthew 7:21-John 5:30. Like Jesus does. He also taught the Father is greater than him, And the bible teaches only the Father knows the day and hour--proves your thinking is error. And that being one = in purpose.

 

[Keiw]

You misunderstand. There is only ONE omnipresent God. By the way, magnetism is omnipresent also, and like God is invisible, but is always there and reveals itself in numerous ways. I cannot see the magnetism in my compass, but I can see the presence of magnetism revealed by it's works, and in that way the invisible is made visible the same as the invisible God made visible in Jesus. They are One. God in Christ. God with us. See Hebrews 1:3.
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Jesus is Gods image-Collosians 1:15--an image is never the real thing.