HERESY?

[Cooper]

Here is what i can say for certain.

You've sinned since you were saved., and have confessed them.
If you deny this, then you just lied, knowingly, Cooper.,.. on this forum.
So, by your own admission that "sin", makes you of the Devil, and you have sinned, since you were saved.

You now have a problem.

My advice.....dont post and say you have not sinned since you were saved... as that would be another lie, and lies are sin.
Dont do that.

What to do now, is realize something...

This... = On the Day God saves a person......>HE knows of all the SIN they will commit after He saves them that day.
And yet, He saves them anyway, knowing they will sin later.
So, why does God save you, knowing you will sin later?

Its because God's blood, is going to forgive all you sin, as if you have never sinned, and then your born again Spirit will become a part of God's Spirit as 'ONE with GOD".....were no sin exists.

See, God knows that the "one time eternal sacrifice of Jesus's blood and death".....is this...."where sin abounds, Grace MORE abounds"
This means......The Blood of Jesus, and the Death of Christ.....this Sacrifice that has been applied to you as "the Gift of Salvation"...is GREATER, always, than your sin.
Always.

The Sacrifice of God as Christ on The Cross, is for the entire sin of the World.
So, it can handle yours, reader.
Believe it, and rejoice in the Knowledge of your salvation.

Now you have changed your tune and are admitting that even believers sin and are of the Devil. That puts an end for all time to the false teaching that once we are saved we are always saved.

This is why Paul writes "Press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." (Philippians 3:14 KJV)

"and reaching forth unto those things which are before" (Philippians 3:13 KJV)

We are not home and dry untill we hear those words from the lips of Jesus, "Well done my good and faithful servent."
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[Behold]

Now you have changed your tune and are admitting that even believers sin and are of the Devil.
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I said = that you said that believers are of the devil, if they sin.
And you have sinned.
That's what i said., and now i have said it again.
So, according to YOUR verse, and YOUR teaching, YOU are of the DEVIL, according to YOU.
That's not "My tune", that is your TUNE, Cooper., as thats on you.

And i advised you to not say that you have not sinned, as that would be a lie.

 

[Cooper]

I said = that you said that believers are of the devil, if they sin.
And you have sinned.
That's what i said., and now i have said it again.
So, according to YOUR verse, and YOUR teaching, YOU are of the DEVIL, according to YOU.
That's not "My tune", that is your TUNE, Cooper., as thats on you.

And i advised you to not say that you have not sinned, as that would be a lie.

We sin repeatedly. This is why Catholics have the confessional. By the way it is not me saying it, it is scriptural.

I think the time has come for us to part company.
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[Behold]

We sin repeatedly. This is why Catholics have the confessional. By the way it is not me saying it, it is scriptural.
I think the time has come for us to part company.
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I only quoted you, when you quoted the verse, and then tried to prove that if you sin, you are of the devil.

Now you are talking about Catholics, and im not one of those.

So, here is the thing...... "Jesus became sin".......and the believer becomes "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

This is..>"The gift of Righteousness", and "The gift of Salvation".

Its what it means to be "born again".

 

[Cooper]

I only quoted you, when you quoted the verse, and then tried to prove that if you sin, you are of the devil.

Now you are talking about Catholics, and im not one of those.

So, here is the thing...... "Jesus became sin".......and the believer becomes "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

This is..>"The gift of Righteousness", and "The gift of Salvation".

Its what it means to be "born again".

I disliked your excuse when you said Hebrews chapter six was for Hebrews only. The implication being, that the rest of the world can dispense with the Bible. It is thinking like this that Satan loves.
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[Keiw]

I only quoted you, when you quoted the verse, and then tried to prove that if you sin, you are of the devil.

Now you are talking about Catholics, and im not one of those.

So, here is the thing...... "Jesus became sin".......and the believer becomes "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

This is..>"The gift of Righteousness", and "The gift of Salvation".

Its what it means to be "born again".

1John 3 says sinners are children of the devil. It says--Its impossible for a child of God to practice even 1 sin. Means one is not a child of God if they practice a sin.

 

[Cooper]

So here is the thing...... "Jesus became sin".......and the believer becomes "the righteousness of God, in Christ". This is..>"The gift of Righteousness", and "The gift of Salvation".
Its what it means to be "born again".

I know what it is to be born again, and Jesus never goes back on his promises. Praise His Holy name.

It is the backslider who breaks the covenant they made with God, when they turn away from Him never to return. In this way they commit spiritual suicide.

Jesus warned us, not against those who destroy the body, but against those who destroy the soul.
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[Behold]

I disliked your excuse when you said Hebrews chapter six was for Hebrews only. The implication being, that the rest of the world can dispense with the Bible. It is thinking like this that Satan loves.
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What you said makes no sense, Cooper.

Also, didnt you tell me that we are not longer corresponding?
So, i guess you didnt keep your word. ?
You have some issues, and i can help you, but you have to decide to listen., and you are not there yet.

 

[Pierac]

I didn't take the test because you are not qualified to be my teacher.

Based upon what? Really... What if God was using me to show you the truth? I'm not saying God is... The issue is... Your so trapped in the traditions of Men you can't even see the truth much less state who's qualified to teach!

Jesus said he speaks through is Body of believers... that alone makes all Christians qualified to be our teacher because it is actually Jesus teaching through them!

So how do you know? Read the Test again...
HERESY?

It's scripture showing you the false traditions of Men... The very Men you claim are qualified to teach you!!!

Try harder, your spiritual Kungfu is weak!!!
Paul

 

[Cooper]

What you said makes no sense, Cooper.

Also, didnt you tell me that we are not longer corresponding?
So, i guess you didnt keep your word. ?
You have some issues, and i can help you, but you have to decide to listen., and you are not there yet.

It's not me who needs the help.
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[Moriah's Song]

What if God was using me to show you the truth?

Again, I decided who to listen to for guidance...

"Tit 1:9-11...he must hold firm to the sure word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to confute those who contradict it. For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially the circumcision party; they must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for base gain what they have no right to teach."​

 

[Keiw]

Again, I decided who to listen to for guidance...

"Tit 1:9-11...he must hold firm to the sure word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to confute those who contradict it. For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially the circumcision party; they must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for base gain what they have no right to teach."​

Unfortunately Few listen to Jesus and listen to dogmas.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actual "Mormon" here. The information about "Mormonism" here isn't accurate. If anyone cares I'm happy to elaborate.

You could correct the info if you'd like to.

 

[GodsGrace]

If I teach someone to READ their Bible, instead of teaching someone to INTERPRET their Bible, I am doing them justice and getting rid of commentary about their Bible.

I like this!

I find, however, that those on these forums are reading their bible but coming up with differing ideas.

Would a mainline church help, for instance?
SHOULD we all have the same beliefs as Jesus requested?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

SHOULD we all have the same beliefs as Jesus requested?

Probably not likely until we all "get to heaven," Correct?
Although, Scripture Does Teach :

1Co 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the
fellowship of His SON Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name of our
Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that
there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly
joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
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Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of The Spirit in the
bond of Peace.
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Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
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Highly Doubtful if Differing "mainline church traditions" will help
with all the Confusion, but, God's Spirit, With this, maybe :

Bible study Rules!

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You could correct the info if you'd like to.

I’m going to start big picture then go to specific points
LDS Christians believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 different divine persons in 1 God. For example, the Son doesn’t talk to Himself with “this is my beloved Son with whom I am well pleased”—that’s the Father. LDS Christians believe that 3 persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 through unity of will, goodness, glory, justice, etc. John 17 is a great chapter in this regard. Creedal Christians add that they are 1 through a shared substance (see the Athanasain Creed) and “3 persons in 1 being”. LDS Christians do not believe this.


Addressing topics from the Spencer D Gear post now, just clarifying LDS Christian stances on these topics:
- Infant baptism: LDS Christians very strongly not believe in infant baptism. Before baptism a person must be a believer and of the age of accountability.
- Real Presence in Communion: LDS Christians do not believe this. Rather, the Lord’s Supper is a symbolic ritual. A very important one.
- Once-save-always-saved: LDS Christians reject.
- Worship or veneration of Mary: strong reject.
- Christ’s divinity: belief in Christ’s divinity as the Son of God is essential. No man comes unto the Father but by Jesus Christ.
- Immortal souls of human beings: LDS Christians believe that all souls are immortal, without beginning or end.


Now moving on to the Catholic.com link:
Challenge #1 God having a body: God the Spirit is a person of spirit (obviously). God the Son (Jesus Christ) has a divine spirit which for 33 years abided in a mortal body. Now His spirit abides in a immortal glorified body. The Bible is actually mute on the Father in this topic. Creedal Christians believe He’s like the Spirit, LDS Christians like the Son. This is a difference in belief, but not a contradiction to the Bible. John 4:24 stress how we should worship God with our spirits, not stating the God can’t have a body (which wouldn’t make sense at all for mortal Christ to say).

Challenge #2 part A: my previous overview largely covered this: the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 divine persons in one God. When Father/Son/Spirit talk amongst themselves, the term “we” or “gods” can be used, as shown several times in Genesis. Other LDS Christian scriptures (LDS Christians have a large cannon) also on occasion use the “we” / “gods”.

Challenge #2 part B: LDS Christians believe that Christ’s atonement is powerful enough to take a wretched sinner and transform them into a pure white disciple of Christ, even a joint-heir with Him. John 17 is huge: we become one with God, joining Him. We don’t replace the Father, Son, or Spirit, but rather fully join in that goodness/glory/etc. Pioneer47

Challenge #3: is based off 2 whole quotes that aren’t even scripture or actually discussed in LDS Christian Church! Those two quotes in context are emphasizing Christ’s power to cleanse sinners (see the above paragraph), which is a central doctrinal stance. The point is not speculations of the Father’s possible history, which frankly are pure speculation and has a lot of different background assumptions than what a Creedal person has in their mind.

 

[Cassandra]

@Jane_Doe22 why does your church use bread and water instead of bread and wine/grape juice? Also, why is your bread leavened?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

@Jane_Doe22 why does your church use bread and water instead of bread and wine/grape juice? Also, why is your bread leavened?

The Lord’s Supper is a symbol to remind people of Christ and His sacrifice. The power is on Him and rememberance of Him, not the food and drink- use whatever.

In fact here’s a story for you: when my mom was young, the congregation she attended with was quite small and met upstairs of a sandwich store. One day, the person in charge of bringing the bread forgot, so one of the kids went downstairs to ask the shopkeeper if they could have some bread and water. He promptly came upstairs with this long sub sandwich and orange juice- happy to the good stuff with his neighbors. Not wanting to decline this kind man’s gift, the Lord’s Supper that week consisted of nice sub bread and OJ.


But anyways, culturally people usually just use bread and water out of simple practicality.

 

[Moriah's Song]

why is your bread leavened?

MY WORD STUDY OF BREAD: LEAVENED AND UNLEAVENED

Strong’s Definitions - G142 (artos) - leavened (with yeast)
ἄρτος ártos, ar'-tos; from; bread (as raised) or a loaf:—(shew-)bread, loaf.

Strong's Greek: 106. ἄζυμος (azumos) -- unleavened
ἄζυμος, (ζύμη), Hebrew מַצָּה, unfermented, free from leaven; properly: ἄρτοιExodus 29:2; Josephus, Antiquities 3, 6, 6; hence the neuter plural τάἄζυμα, מַצּות, unleavened loaves; ἡἑορτήτῶνἀζύμων,

Mark 14:22 (RSV) As they were eating, he took bread, (G- artos) and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them, and said, "Take; this is my body."

Lev 2:11-12
11 "No cereal offering which you bring to the LORD shall be made with leaven; for you shall burn no leaven nor any honey as an offering by fire to the LORD.
12 As an offering of first fruits you may bring them to the LORD, but they shall not be offered on the altar for a pleasing odor.

In verse 11, no leaven in bread is to be used with the animal sacrifices at the feast of Passover because it foreshadowed the crucifixion.

In verse 12, leaven could be used as "first fruits" because it foreshadows the resurrection.​

(compare 2/verse 12) Lev 23:17 - You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to the LORD.

THE LORD'S SUPPER IN THE EPISTLES:

1 Corinthians 11:26...For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.​

All verses in the NT uses the Greek word "artos" for bread at the communion table because we should be doing it as a remembrance of Christ's resurrection from the dead. There is only one verse that uses the word "azumos" but it is not the communion bread; it is a reference to sin rising in ones heart if I remember correctly.

 

[Keiw]

You could correct the info if you'd like to.

Actually Jesus' message was about his Father and the kingdom.