HERESY?

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus always existed at the right hand of God, just not in human form till God sent him to us through the Immaculate Conception and when his work was done what God sent him here for, he then arose and ascended back to Heaven to take his rightful place at the right hand of the Father.

so then who was he? Did he help create the heavens and the earth? Was he not the God Of Israel who was sent by the father and his spirit in the OT also? (see Isaiah 48)

just trying to understand where you are coming. sorry I came into the middle of a conversation I do not want to assume anything..

 

[JohnPaul]

so then who was he? Did he help create the heavens and the earth? Was he not the God Of Israel who was sent by the father and his spirit in the OT also? (see Isaiah 48)

just trying to understand where you are coming. sorry I came into the middle of a conversation I do not want to assume anything..

He is the Son of God who created Heaven and Earth and all that is seen and unseen and inbetween.

You understand what you want to understand, Jesus never said he was God but the Son of God, you and others like you are saying it.

 

[Grailhunter]

He is the Son of God who created Heaven and Earth and all that is seen and unseen and inbetween.

You understand what you want to understand, Jesus never said he was God but the Son of God, you and others like you are saying it.

JohnPaul is Jehovah's Witness.....Duly Noted.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He is the Son of God who created Heaven and Earth and all that is seen and unseen and inbetween.

You understand what you want to understand, Jesus never said he was God but the Son of God, you and others like you are saying it.

actually yes he did. By not correcting Thomas when he called him Lord and God

John 20: 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

The father called him God

Heb 1: 5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirit And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

John called him God


Jn 1 : 1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God The greek word for beginning means origin..It is the same word used in Genesis..In the beginning God created the heavans and the earth..The word was Jesus..He was God..He was with God (plural) the Father and the Holy Spirit..

the angel called him God

Matt 1: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

and again, In Isaiah 48. Is this not the God if Israel speaking?

Isaiah 48: 12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. 14 '"All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. 16 Come ye near unto me, Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I, and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

JohnPaul is Jehovah's Witness.....Duly Noted.

they are not the only ones that claim Jesus is not god. I will not assume anything. just try to discuss with him

 

[Wrangler]

By not correcting Thomas when he called him Lord and God

No. Just a figure of speech. When I dropped my wine glass, I was not actually declaring to be a piece of feces.

The father called him God

No. He didn't. The modern day expression would be, "You sit on the throne of God forever."

John called him God

No. John never called Jesus God. The Gospel of John is the most anti-trinitarian book in the Bible. 1:1 does not even refer to Jesus.

the angel called him God

Matt 1: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

The angels did not call Jesus God. The name of God is LORD not Immanuel. Jesus is NEVER referred to as God or LORD. Nebuchanazzer was called 'king of kings." He and David were worshipped. Doesn't make them God.

This series of desperate reaches is what trinitarians must resort to while simultaneously overlooking explicit Scripture that says God is one alone and not 3. In just yesterday's daily reading from 1 John. (NOTE: The use of singular pronouns used > 5,000 times in Scripture to refer to the one and only God, the Father.

1 John 2:22
New Revised Standard Version
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?[a] This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son
NOTE: The absence of the non-existent 3rd person of the trinity.


See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God;
1 John 3:1

You shall have no other gods before me. (including trinitarian God).
Ex 20:3

4 “Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the Lord alone....14 “You must not worship any of the gods of neighboring nations, 15 for the LORD your God, who lives among you, is a jealous God. 16 You must not test the LORD your God as you did when you complained at Massah. 17 You must diligently obey the commands of the LORD your God—all the laws and decrees he has given you.
Deuteronomy 6 The Sh'ma (NLT)

'For us, there is one God, the Father.'
1 Cor 8:6

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No. Just a figure of speech. When I dropped my wine glass, I was not actually declaring to be a piece of feces.



No. He didn't. The modern day expression would be, "You sit on the throne of God forever."



No. John never called Jesus God. The Gospel of John is the most anti-trinitarian book in the Bible. 1:1 does not even refer to Jesus.



The angels did not call Jesus God. The name of God is LORD not Immanuel. Jesus is NEVER referred to as God or LORD. Nebuchanazzer was called 'king of kings." He and David were worshipped. Doesn't make them God.

This series of desperate reaches is what trinitarians must resort to while simultaneously overlooking explicit Scripture that says God is one alone and not 3. In just yesterday's daily reading from 1 John. (NOTE: The use of singular pronouns used > 5,000 times in Scripture to refer to the one and only God, the Father.

1 John 2:22
New Revised Standard Version
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?[a] This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son
NOTE: The absence of the non-existent 3rd person of the trinity.


See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God;
1 John 3:1

You shall have no other gods before me. (including trinitarian God).
Ex 20:3

4 “Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the Lord alone....14 “You must not worship any of the gods of neighboring nations, 15 for the LORD your God, who lives among you, is a jealous God. 16 You must not test the LORD your God as you did when you complained at Massah. 17 You must diligently obey the commands of the LORD your God—all the laws and decrees he has given you.
Deuteronomy 6 The Sh'ma (NLT)

'For us, there is one God, the Father.'
1 Cor 8:6

Sorry Bro

Jesus is not an angel or created being

He has all the attributes of God.

He had to in order to be able to do what he has done,

That makes him equal with God. or God.

God (plural Elohime) created the heavens and the earth and created man in their image.

God (singular YHWH) did many different things, Depending on who did it. Is who was referenced.

Only God can take the sin of mankind and pay for all of it..

If Jesus is not God. the whole word of God and what God says about himself is tainted.

 

[Wrangler]

Sorry Bro

Jesus is not an angel or created being

He has all the attributes of God.

We know Jesus is not God because Jesus died.

Jesus is certainly a created being, as all sons are. John 3:16 tell us Jesus was begotten, which means created!

You should be sorry for violating the Sh’ma, 10th Commandment and how Jesus taught us to pray. Fact is, Jesus did not teach the trinity.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We know Jesus is not God because Jesus died.

Jesus is certainly a created being, as all sons are. John 3:16 tell us Jesus was begotten, which means created!

You should be sorry for violating the Sh’ma, 10th Commandment and how Jesus taught us to pray. Fact is, Jesus did not teach the trinity.

Jesus humanity died.

His spirit, although it died when my sin was placed on his body. Was resurrected before he even died physically

thats why he said it is finished. Hid body stopped breatingm His spirit immediately departed just like it ente4red 33 years earlier when he took on the form of a man

And actually Jesus taught the trinity in Is 48 and other places. He also taught it when he said he was sent from the father, and the spirit would be sent also.

SO you at the least have a double (father and spirit)

fact is, the bible says not to worship anyone but God. Think on that one for a second.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus humanity died.

You are adding to the word of God to fit your heretical doctrine. Scripture does not say his humanity died.

Scripture says Jesus died and God, in his unitarian nature, raised him from the dead. Acts 17:31. If Jesus were God, there would not be a single such verse that contrasts God with Jesus. But there are many, which tells us Jesus is not God.

 

[Wrangler]

And actually Jesus taught the trinity in Is 48 and other places.

Isaiah was before Jesus’ ministry of teaching.

 

[amigo de christo]

JohnPaul is Jehovah's Witness.....Duly Noted.

Not a safe religion at all . I have spoken with many a jehovah witness . WE MUST CLING TO THE BIBLE and learn well that sound doctrine .

 

[amigo de christo]

Isaiah was before Jesus’ ministry of teaching.

Yet before ISSIAH WAS , JESUS IS . What SPIRIT do you think ISSIAH PROPHEISIED FROM .

 

[Wrangler]

Yet before ISSIAH WAS , JESUS IS . What SPIRIT do you think ISSIAH PROPHEISIED FROM .

The statement is that Jesus did not teach the trinity.

Try finding an actual quote from Jesus where he teaches the trinity. I’m not buying into your imposing trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are adding to the word of God to fit your heretical doctrine. Scripture does not say his humanity died.

Scripture says Jesus died and God, in his unitarian nature, raised him from the dead. Acts 17:31. If Jesus were God, there would not be a single such verse that contrasts God with Jesus. But there are many, which tells us Jesus is not God.

If Jesus did not die you would be dead in your sin.

Again, If jesus was not god. Your dead in yoru sin.

A man can not pay for the sin of every living human who walked the face of the earth.

And I know I asked this before. But are you able to talk to someone without all the extra stuff that does not support your case?

If you can not humbly discuss something without attacking someone with words. Then that just puts you in a bad lite.. and I will move on.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Isaiah was before Jesus’ ministry of teaching.

Jesus told the jews before abraham was, he existed.

Abraham preceded the prophet Isaiah.

 

[Wrangler]

If Jesus did not die

point is, he did die. That’s how we know he’s not God.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus told the jews before abraham was, he existed.

Right. Doesn’t mean he is God.

A man can not pay for the sin of every living human who walked the face of the earth.

Why not? That is what happened.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not a safe religion at all . I have spoken with many a jehovah witness . WE MUST CLING TO THE BIBLE and learn well that sound doctrine .

LOL There are some red flags that can warn you of false religions.
I have assisted in intervention teams trying to rescue young people and wives from Jehovah Witness groups. When you see professional intervention teams busy with groups, that is a big red flag. Physical abuse within the family, wives held captive with threats, not just from their husbands but their own mom's and dad's and family members. And I have had my own physical altercations with them.

When they want to twist the truth so bad that they come up with their own Bible....that is another red flag.

I have been in Kingdom Halls and the way they study the Bible is very much like a cult....and because of that and some people have a hard time escaping their groups....ie professional interventionists it also would suggest what people call cults. They are not a cult but they exhibit some of the characteristics of real cults. For example you can take a young adult and sit them down with an interventionist and try to talk to them and they give you quick responses for anything because it has all been drilled into them.

If you ever go to one these Kingdom Halls (they do not like the term church) you will see what I am saying is true....They call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses for a reason....It is all about God the Father and the Old Testament and rehearsing on how to prove Christ was not a God. Weaving and twisting the scriptures, that is another red flag.

They do not observe Christian holidays except Christ's death. But you might have your Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner interrupted when they come knocking on your door. They go door to door trying to convince people that Christ was only human.

 

[amigo de christo]

The statement is that Jesus did not teach the trinity.

Try finding an actual quote from Jesus where he teaches the trinity. I’m not buying into your imposing trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text.

The only thing i say is what is in the actual bible .
Not what Rome , jehovas , mormons , or anyone else says .
Now let us read us the gospel of john and pay close attention to the FIRST CHAPTER .
AND dont buy what RUSSEL nash tried to say . Hims changed the bible for his own purpose .
Just like most all churches now either twist it , or use other versions which serve the teachings of men .
But as for me and the lambs , WE STAYING GLUED in the KJV . As in GLUED . STUCK TOO and NOT LEAVING IT .