Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[Douggg]

Now according to both amos and Zechariah ,the Jews in Israel are led away captive on the day of the Lord. The Jewish women are raped by the nations that capture Jerusalem

No, Amos is about the northern kingdom under Jeroboam II being taken into Assyrian captivity. Read Amos 7:9-11 to learn more.
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Zechariah 14, is end times, as the kings of the earth surround Jerusalem, the temple mount, where the beast-king, the false prophet, and the abomination of desolation indwelt by Satan will be.

The kings of the earth have their armies take half of the city as hostage, i.e. captive, as their armies rape and pillage.

Jesus returns and frees the hostages, and sets the statue image ablaze, turning it into ashes, revealing Satan for all present that day to see. After seeing the beast-king and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, and the armies destroyed by the words come forth from Jesus, Satan will be bound and cast into the bottomless pit for one thousandth years. To be eventually also to be cast into the lake of fire.











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[tailgator]

No, Amos is about the northern kingdom under Jeroboam II being taken into Assyrian captivity. Read Amos 7:9-11 to learn more.
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Zechariah 14, is end times, as the kings of the earth surround Jerusalem, the temple mount, where the beast-king, the false prophet, and the abomination of desolation indwelt by Satan will be.

The kings of the earth have their armies take half of the city as hostage, i.e. captive, as their armies rape and pillage.

Jesus returns and frees the hostages, and sets the statue image ablaze, turning it into ashes, revealing Satan for all present that day to see. After seeing the beast-king and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, and the armies destroyed by the words come forth from Jesus, Satan will be bound and cast into the bottomless pit for one thousandth years. To be eventually also to be cast into the lake of fire.



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So you believe the day of the Lord in Amos 5 is not the day of the Lord.

Interesting
Exactly how many day of the Lord,do you claim there is since you believe the day of the lord in Amos 5 is not the day of the lord?

 

[Taken]

Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived​

 

[Douggg]

So you believe the day of the Lord in Amos 5 is not the day of the Lord.

Interesting
Exactly how many day of the Lord,do you claim there is since you believe the day of the lord in Amos 5 is not the day of the lord?

The day of the Lord did not take place back then. The elite and rulers of the northern kingdom were only hoping for it, as the day of Lord contains a time of peace and tranquility. Instead they would get taken over by the Assyrians and go into captivity. Did you read Amos 7:9-11 ?

 

[tailgator]

The day of the Lord did not take place back then. The elite and rulers of the northern kingdom were only hoping for it, as the day of Lord contains a time of peace and tranquility. Instead they would get taken over by the Assyrians and go into captivity. Did you read Amos 7:9-11 ?

Why do you want me to read Amos 7 when I am quoting the day of the Lord in Amos 5?

I am talking about the day of the Lord when the Jews in Israel who worship the beast and it's symbol are cast out of the kingdom.It takes place the same time the saints of the Lord are gathered into the kingdom.


This is the day of the Lord in Amos 5


Amos 5

18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.

19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.

20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts.






The word Moloch is a semitic word which means king and their king's symbol is a star as seen on Israel's flag.
Their king they have chosen for themselves is the beast in revelation and therefore they are punished on the day of the Lord when the Lord comes .A day of his wrath upon them who have chosen the beast.Moloch.

 

[tailgator]

Jesus spoke of the day of the Lord in the gospel.A day when the unbelieving Jews are cast out of the kingdom .They are sent into exile.Same as Luke 21 ,zech 14,Amos 5.


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”




This is when the 1000 years begins.After the unbelieving Jews who worship the beast are cast out of the kingdom.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Douggg]

Why do you want me to read Amos 7 when I am quoting the day of the Lord in Amos 5?

Because you need to understand in Amos 5, Amos was addressing the elite and rulers of the northern kingdom (the kingdom of the ten northern tribes when the nation of Israel split after Solomon's death).

Amos was prophesying that the northern kingdom under the rule of Jeroboam II would go into captivity. Which happened when the Assyrians overcame them.

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts.

The northern kingdom had got into worshiping those false gods. It is not talking about Israel of the end times.

 

[tailgator]

Because you need to understand in Amos 5, Amos was addressing the elite and rulers of the northern kingdom (the kingdom of the ten northern tribes when the nation of Israel split after Solomon's death).

Amos was prophesying that the northern kingdom under the rule of Jeroboam II would go into captivity. Which happened when the Assyrians overcame them.



The northern kingdom had got into worshiping those false gods. It is not talking about Israel of the end times.

You need to understand the day of the Lord was not in those days.It is actually about 4 years from now when the Jews who worship the beast and it's image and receive it's mark are cast out of the kingdom.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth


The day of the Lord


Amos 5

18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.

19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.

20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts.

 

[Douggg]

You need to understand the day of the Lord was not in those days.It is actually about 4 years from now when the Jews who worship the beast and it's image and receive it's mark are cast out of the kingdom.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

The Jews are not going to worship the beast. The Jews are going to turn to Jesus once their bad experience with the Antichrist - their perceived messiah - takes place, when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.

It is correct though that the Jews will go through the great tribulation. Only 1/3 will survive to the end of the great tribulation, Zechariah 13:8-9.

 

[Davy]

The Jews are not going to worship the beast. The Jews are going to turn to Jesus once their bad experience with the Antichrist - their perceived messiah - takes place, when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.

That idea ain't written.

Instead, it is written that the deceived Jews, and I mean those of them that actually love God and mean to worship Him only, will wish for the mountains to "Fall on us", and for the hills to, "Cover us", because of their shame when Jesus does appear.

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, "Fall on us"; and to the hills, "Cover us."
KJV

Everyone's condition of faith will remain the same going into the "great tribulation" and also through it. That is why the deceived will be shocked when they do see Lord Jesus coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

God even gave strong allegories in the Book of Isaiah about the shock the deceived will experience on that day of Christ's future coming, being like a starving man dreaming of a a great feast of food set before him, but then suddenly waking up and discovering that he's still starving.

The 1/3 per the end of Zechariah 13 is about saved Christians, not Jews.

 

[Douggg]

.It is actually about 4 years from now when the Jews who worship the beast and it's image and receive it's mark are cast out of the kingdom.

One of the things that stood out to me in your sentence was "it's" image. It appears that you are referencing Revelation 20:4, NIV. I use the KJV which has "his" image.

Go to this link and you can compare translations.

The beast-king has to be man - for his number 666 is the number of a man - not an "it".

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20:4 - New International Version

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Douggg]

Instead, it is written that the deceived Jews, and I mean those of them that actually love God and mean to worship Him only, will wish for the mountains to "Fall on us", and for the hills to, "Cover us", because of their shame when Jesus does appear.

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, "Fall on us"; and to the hills, "Cover us."
KJV

Jesus was referring to the coming days of vengeance in 70 AD when many would die when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem to put down a Jewish revolt.

Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[tailgator]

The Jews are not going to worship the beast. The Jews are going to turn to Jesus once their bad experience with the Antichrist - their perceived messiah - takes place, when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.

It is correct though that the Jews will go through the great tribulation. Only 1/3 will survive to the end of the great tribulation, Zechariah 13:8-9.

98 percent of the Jews in Israel reject Jesus as Christ.
They are by definition (antichrist) denying the son of God.

The majority of Jews in Israel already worship the beast .They will kill Jesus disciples in Israel just as Jesus prophecied.

 

[tailgator]

Jesus was referring to the coming days of vengeance in 70 AD when many would die when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem to put down a Jewish revolt.

Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Revelation 6 was not fulfilled in 70 ad.
The day of the Lord when God's wrath befalls the Jews who worship the beast.


Luke 23:30

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, "Fall on us"; and to the hills, "Cover us."
KJV

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[tailgator]

One of the things that stood out to me in your sentence was "it's" image. It appears that you are referencing Revelation 20:4, NIV. I use the KJV which has "his" image.

Go to this link and you can compare translations.

The beast-king has to be man - for his number 666 is the number of a man - not an "it".

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20:4 - New International Version

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads...

www.biblegateway.com

If you want to call the beast a man ,thats fine with me.
After the Jews receive Benjamin netanyahus mark he said he wants everyone in Israel to receive,you might figure out who it is.

 

[Douggg]

98 percent of the Jews in Israel reject Jesus as Christ.
They are by definition (antichrist) denying the son of God.

The definition of them who John likened to the coming Antichrist was that they departed from the body of Christ, to deny the Father and Son.

The Jews of whom you speak are not Christians, I agree. But they are not antichrists either as John defined antichrists. They are unbelievers.

An example of an antichrist that John was speaking of would be Yusuf Estes, who was a Christian pastor who left Christianity to become a Muslim. There are a lot of You Tube videos of his that promote Islam.

After the Jews receive Benjamin netanyahus mark he said he wants everyone in Israel to receive,you might figure out who it is

Netanyahu in not the beast-king nor the false prophet. The beast-king starts off as the little horn who will be over a panel of ten EU leaders.

 

[tailgator]

The definition of them who John likened to the coming Antichrist was that they departed from the body of Christ, to deny the Father and Son.

The Jews of whom you speak are not Christians, I agree. But they are not antichrists either as John defined antichrists. They are unbelievers.

An example of an antichrist that John was speaking of would be Yusuf Estes, who was a Christian pastor who left Christianity to become a Muslim. There are a lot of You Tube videos of his that promote Islam.



Netanyahu in not the beast-king nor the false prophet. The beast-king starts off as the little horn who will be over a panel of ten EU leaders.

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So you believe any Jew who denies Jesus is the Christ is not antichrist?

Here is johns definition.

"whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ."​

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

 

[tailgator]

The definition of them who John likened to the coming Antichrist was that they departed from the body of Christ, to deny the Father and Son.

The Jews of whom you speak are not Christians, I agree. But they are not antichrists either as John defined antichrists. They are unbelievers.

An example of an antichrist that John was speaking of would be Yusuf Estes, who was a Christian pastor who left Christianity to become a Muslim. There are a lot of You Tube videos of his that promote Islam.



Netanyahu in not the beast-king nor the false prophet. The beast-king starts off as the little horn who will be over a panel of ten EU leaders.

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All the Jews in Israel who deny Jesus is the Christ will soon be recieving Netanyahu's mark.
They have chosen him and him is what they got.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The day of the Lord did not take place back then. The elite and rulers of the northern kingdom were only hoping for it, as the day of Lord contains a time of peace and tranquility. Instead they would get taken over by the Assyrians and go into captivity. Did you read Amos 7:9-11 ?

Where does scripture teach that "the day of Lord contains a time of peace and tranquility."? That's not what I see portrayed in passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 which both have the day of the Lord as containing the opposite of a time of peace and tranquility and instead have a lot of destruction occurring when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly as a thief in the night.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The definition of them who John likened to the coming Antichrist was that they departed from the body of Christ, to deny the Father and Son.

The Jews of whom you speak are not Christians, I agree. But they are not antichrists either as John defined antichrists. They are unbelievers.

John indicated that anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ is an antichrist. That includes those who departed from John and the other true Christians, but it's not just them who are antichrists. These Jews that you're talking about deny that Jesus is the Christ, right? So, they too are antichrists according to John.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.