Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[Douggg]

So you believe any Jew who denies Jesus is the Christ is not antichrist?

Here is johns definition.

"whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ."​

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

I notice that you have a tendency to just take a verse out of context when making your points. Verses 18 and 19 indicate that John was talking about persons who were Christians, or part of Christian groups, but departed Christianity, to deny Jesus as being the Son of God.

So John was not describing Jews in general, who were unbelievers.

1John2:
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

[Douggg]

All the Jews in Israel who deny Jesus is the Christ will soon be recieving Netanyahu's mark.
They have chosen him and him is what they got.

The mark of the beast will be enacted globally, not just to them in Israel. And it is the mark of the beast's name, and 666 is the number of the beast's name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Who that person is - has not been revealed yet.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I notice that you have a tendency to just take a verse out of context when making your points. Verses 18 and 19 indicate that John was talking about persons who were Christians, or part of Christian groups, but departed Christianity, to deny Jesus as being the Son of God.

So John was not describing Jews in general, who were unbelievers.

1John2:
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

But, he expanded on that in verses 22 and 23 to include anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ and not just those who had departed from them. You are the one who is missing the context. Why would only those who departed from them and deny that Jesus is the Christ be antichrists, but not everyone else who denies that Jesus is the Christ as well? That makes no sense. Anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ is an antichrist.

 

[tailgator]

I notice that you have a tendency to just take a verse out of context when making your points. Verses 18 and 19 indicate that John was talking about persons who were Christians, or part of Christian groups, but departed Christianity, to deny Jesus as being the Son of God.

So John was not describing Jews in general, who were unbelievers.

1John2:
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

They went out from us doesn't mean those people were baptized in the holy Ghost christians.

Could just be Jews who didn't believe Jesus was the Christ as John said.

 

[tailgator]

The mark of the beast will be enacted globally, not just to them in Israel. And it is the mark of the beast's name, and 666 is the number of the beast's name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Who that person is - has not been revealed yet.


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No The Israelis will be receiving Netanyahu's mark.
It will probably start this year after Trump sends the armed forces to Israel.


Trump wants to divide the land for gain ya know.

 

[Douggg]

John indicated that anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ is an antichrist. That includes those who departed from John and the other true Christians, but it's not just them who are antichrists. These Jews that you're talking about deny that Jesus is the Christ, right? So, they too are antichrists according to John.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

When Jesus returns, the Jews will say -

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Romans 11;
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins

The Jews are in a state of unbelief. But they are not antichrists, because they were never a part of Christianity to begin with. I gave the example of Yusuf Estes as someone who is an antichrist.

 

[tailgator]

When Jesus returns, the Jews will say -

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Romans 11;
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins

The Jews are in a state of unbelief. But they are not antichrists, because they were never a part of Christianity to begin with. I gave the example of Yusuf Estes as someone who is an antichrist.

Tell me this.
Scripture says there will be 144,000 of the tribes of Israel who recieve the mark of God in their foreheads.

What does the word of God say happens to all the other Israelis who have not received the mark of God in their foreheads?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When Jesus returns, the Jews will say -

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Romans 11;
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins

The Jews are in a state of unbelief. But they are not antichrists, because they were never a part of Christianity to begin with. I gave the example of Yusuf Estes as someone who is an antichrist.

You are contradicting plain scripture here. According to John, they are antichrists because they deny that Jesus is the Christ and deny the Father and the Son. John explicitly said that anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ and denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist and that describes unbelieving Jews and all unbelievers who deny that Jesus is the Christ.

You're not understanding that in 1 John 2:22-23 John expanded on what he had said in 1 John 2:18-19 by including not only those who departed from them as being antichrists, but also anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 

[Douggg]

No The Israelis will be receiving Netanyahu's mark.
It will probably start this year after Trump sends the armed forces to Israel.


Trump wants to divide the land for gain ya know.

The mark of the beast's name does not begin until there are 42 months left in the 7 years. The 7 years do not begin until right after the Gog/Magog event, as the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9.

Don't you understand ? The little horn person will emerge as the leader of a panel of ten EU leaders. Then Gog/Magog takes place, and the little horn as the prince that shall come heads into the middle east with his EU army on the grounds of being a peace keeper for the region.

The Jews will immediately think he is their long awaited messiah and the false prophet with anoint him the king of Israel. He gives a big speech from the temple mount about God giving the land of Israel to the Jews as theirs forever. That begins the 7 years.

Then later about half way through the 7 years, he becomes the beast. And that is when the mark of the beast's name begins.

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btw, I asked the Jews (Judaism) who would declare him as the messiah and this is the response I got...

The prophet Malachi says, "Behold I will send to you Elijah the Prophet before the arrival of the great and awesome day of G‑d."

Elijah will appear in order to herald the coming of Moshiach. Some say he will arrive three days prior to the revelation of Moshiach. Others say that he will arrive before the war of Gog and Magog which will precede the arrival of Moshiach.

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.... so the false prophet will appear to the Jews initially to be Elijah. Some people speculate that the Yanuka, Rabbi Shlmo Yehuda (search You Tube) is the false prophet.

 

[Douggg]

Tell me this.
Scripture says there will be 144,000 of the tribes of Israel who recieve the mark of God in their foreheads.

What scripture says "mark of God" ?

 

[tailgator]

The mark of the beast's name does not begin until there are 42 months left in the 7 years. The 7 years do not begin until right after the Gog/Magog event, as the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9.

Don't you understand ? The little horn person will emerge as the leader of a panel of ten EU leaders. Then Gog/Magog takes place, and the little horn as the prince that shall come heads into the middle east with his EU army on the grounds of being a peace keeper for the region.

The Jews will immediately think he is their long awaited messiah and the false prophet with anoint him the king of Israel. He gives a big speech from the temple mount about God giving the land of Israel to the Jews as theirs forever. That begins the 7 years.

Then later about half way through the 7 years, he becomes the beast. And that is when the mark of the beast's name begins.

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btw, I asked the Jews (Judaism) who would declare him as the messiah and this is the response I got...

The prophet Malachi says, "Behold I will send to you Elijah the Prophet before the arrival of the great and awesome day of G‑d."

Elijah will appear in order to herald the coming of Moshiach. Some say he will arrive three days prior to the revelation of Moshiach. Others say that he will arrive before the war of Gog and Magog which will precede the arrival of Moshiach.

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.... so the false prophet will appear to the Jews initially to be Elijah. Some people speculate that the Yanuka, Rabbi Shlmo Yehuda (search You Tube) is the false prophet.

Gog does not come against Israel till 1000 years after the resurrection of the saints who are killed by the beast.
You are so backwards.

 

[tailgator]

What scripture says "mark of God" ?

Jesus's father is God.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.


Or are you saying God is not Jesus's father?

 

[tailgator]

What scripture says "mark of God" ?

So you tell me.
What does the word of God say happens to all the Israel's who do not have the mark of God's name in their foreheads?

 

[Douggg]

So you tell me.
What does the word of God say happens to all the Israel's who do not have the mark of God's name in their foreheads?

The scripture does not say "mark of God" but seal.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

The verse does specify whether the seal will be visible to the naked eye or something spiritual, only seen by spiritual beings.

 

[Douggg]

Gog does not come against Israel till 1000 years after the resurrection of the saints who are killed by the beast.
You are so backwards.

Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 39 will be 7 years before the Armageddon event in Ezekiel 39:17-20, and Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

Gog-Magog after the 1000 years in Revelation 20 is a reference that it will the same Gog/Magog nations that took part in the Ezekiel 39 event a 1000 years earlier.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The scripture does not say "mark of God" but seal.

A mark and seal are the same thing, so it doesn't matter if he calls it the mark of God. It's the spiritual opposite of the mark of the beast.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

The verse does specify whether the seal will be visible to the naked eye or something spiritual, only seen by spiritual beings.

Why don't you use scripture to interpret scripture? The seal of God is a reference to the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

[tailgator]

The scripture does not say "mark of God" but seal.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

The verse does specify whether the seal will be visible to the naked eye or something spiritual, only seen by spiritual beings.

The verse I posted says the mark is the name of God

Or are you saying Jesus is not the son of God?
Is that what you are saying?

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The verse I posted says the mark is the name of God

Or are you saying Jesus is not the son of God?
Is that what you are saying?

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

No, he's not saying that. You don't need to question his faith just because he doesn't like the term you're using. He's saying that it is called "the seal of God" in the scripture and has a problem with you calling it "the mark of God" as if that really matters, which it doesn't.

 

[tailgator]

Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 39 will be 7 years before the Armageddon event in Ezekiel 39:17-20, and Jesus return in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

Gog-Magog after the 1000 years in Revelation 20 is a reference that it will the same Gog/Magog nations that took part in the Ezekiel 39 event a 1000 years earlier.

False testimony

Gog comes against the resurrected saints of Israel 1000 years after they are resurected .

That is after they are brought up out of their graves in Ezekiel 37.


Or are you saying there is no resurection as some teach?Do you claim there is no resurection of the dead ?

 

[Douggg]

The verse I posted says the mark is the name of God

Or are you saying Jesus is not the son of God?
Is that what you are saying?

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:14 does not contain the word "mark". It is not a mark.